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From the New Trailer Fury doesn't know some of SHIELD's big secrets.

posted 5 years ago by NorrinRad (5004)
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The information has to be an event or person or artifact that was available at that time or happened during that time period prior to the modern day.

1. Well we know he doesn't know about HYDRA.

2. We know he doesn't know that SHIELD has a Kree corpse in a hidden facility.

3. We know he doesn't know about Hank Pym. This is being truth tested now.

4. He may not have met or known Peggy Carter.

What else doesn't Fury know at the time of this movie?

Added after the initial post:

** Fury didn't know about Ghost. But if I recall Ghost was used as a weapon ala the Winter Soldier. But was it HYDRA or SHIELD sending Ghost out on missions? Ghost has been fact checked and edited off the list. **

5. Fury didn't know that the SS serum had been stolen by HYDRA and given to the Russians.

6. He doesn't know that Elastica is Britpop, not grunge. **** This is under further review!

7. Fury doesn't know SHIELD has the Tesseract. SHIELD probably doesn't know that The Tesseract is alien in nature also. That's not on Fury.

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[–] AP (5255) 5 years ago

I'm sure he knows Pym. He may or may not know he was a superhero but I'm sure he knows him as a scientist who used to work for SHIELD.

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[–] NorrinRad (5004) 5 years ago

You might be right about Pym but given how SHIELD operated on compartmentalization and Levels I'm thinking Fury was not very high up and not clued in during those days. With Skrulls AND HYDRA both ensconced within SHIELD I think there was a lot that was going on that Fury didn't know.

It's just a little trivia game I'm starting here.

I'll add another.

I think Fury doesn't know there is a Tesseract within SHIELD.

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[–] AP (5255) 5 years ago

He likely wouldn't have known about Ghost.

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[–] NorrinRad (5004) 5 years ago

How old was Ghost or when did the event happen? It might have been post CM?

You'll get that one and I add it to the top post. It was on and now has been edited off. Unless someone makes a case otherwise.

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[–] AP (5255) 5 years ago

The accident that created Ghost would've happened around this time when she was a kid. She was kept by SHIELD for a while before being sent out on missions.

As to the question if she was Hydra or SHIELD, according to both Pym and Erik Jolson, it was SHIELD using Ghost as an assassin. No mention of Hydra. Then again, both men were pretty critical of SHIELD so it's possible they just didn't care to clarify.

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[–] TJLamb0518 (3316) 5 years ago

Well, we know he doesn't know how to keep sight in both eyes.

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[–] NorrinRad (5004) 5 years ago

Neither does Coulson know how to keep both hands to himself for that matter. DAMN you Star Wars!!!!!

Sorry no point for you on that one!

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[–] TJLamb0518 (3316) 5 years ago

I'm guessing he lost a hand in Agents of SHIELD?

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[–] NorrinRad (5004) 5 years ago

I'm guessing he lost a hand in Agents of SHIELD?

You're guessing right. Coulson had his lower arm and hand cut off due to touching Kree/Inhuman technology, Diviner infused Terrigen Crystals.

That's probably a big spoiler for a lot of people as AoS hasn't been seen by many viewers. Yikes!!

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[–] TandyMan (10317) 5 years ago

lol the nature of an ongoing franchise is the more and more history and lore they add to the saga, the stupider and more incompetent Fury will become.

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[–] NorrinRad (5004) 5 years ago

the stupider and more incompetent Fury will become.

Please don't open that line of questioning!! Back in the IMDB days I had a long running narrative that detailed that not only was Fury Incompetent but he was also illegit and just too illegit to quit.

Alexander Pierce was a high level HYDRA operative that appointed Fury to the Director position because Fury had a legit blind spot to seeing what was going on right in front of his only remaining good eye.

Additionally if Fury was illegit so was the anointment and appointment of Coulson as the new director. Even Stark stated that SHIELD was an intelligence agency that was afraid of intelligence. Or something like that.

Fury probably didn't know about Reinhardt.

Fury didn't know that Armin Zola transferred his consciousness to an ancient computer.

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[–] AP (5255) 5 years ago

I wouldn't say Fury was dumb. Obviously, he didn't know Hydra was in SHIELD but neither did Howard Stark, Peggy Carter, Cap, Black Widow, etc. In fact, the infiltration happened before the man was even born. how can you blame him for that?

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[–] NorrinRad (5004) 5 years ago

I wouldn't say Fury was dumb. Obviously, he didn't know Hydra was in SHIELD but neither did Howard Stark, Peggy Carter, Cap, Black Widow, etc. In fact, the infiltration happened before the man was even born. how can you blame him for that?

I'm not implying that Fury was dumb but he is billed as a Spy's Spy and that Fury's secrets are supposed to have secrets. Fury's not paranoid enough to be a good spy as it seems.

The Super-Soldier serum gets stolen and Howard Stark gets assassinated and SHIELD doesn't dig into that? I blame Fury for not taking charge once he got to the top of the food chain. Too many questionable events happened on his watch without him asking questions.

Cap was on ice so there is no way that he should have known but to Cap's credit after he was thawed he told Fury/SHIELD that they should have left the Tesseract at the bottom of the ocean where they found it. Without the Tesseract Thanos doesn't get signaled because of the testing that SHIELD does on the Tesseract and Loki never attacks Midgard for Thanos.

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[–] AP (5255) 5 years ago

The Starks appeared to have died in a car accident. There was no way that they would know he was killed, nor would they know about the serum.

As for the Tesseract, Thanos would have found it in the bottom of the ocean eventually. They have tech to find Infinity Stones, after all. Besides, why not blame Odin for stashing it on Earth to begin with? He actually knew what it was.

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[–] NorrinRad (5004) 5 years ago

The Starks appeared to have died in a car accident. There was no way that they would know he was killed, nor would they know about the serum.

As for the Tesseract, Thanos would have found it in the bottom of the ocean eventually. They have tech to find Infinity Stones, after all. Besides, why not blame Odin for stashing it on Earth to begin with? He actually knew what it was.

As a high value SHIELD scientist and I think Founder or Co-Founder of SHIELD the Stark's deaths should have been suspect.

Plus I seriously doubt that Howard worked on the SS serum by his lonesome and other SHIELD scientists weren't assisting. If HYDRA inside of SHIELD was working on the SS serum with Stark HYDRA could have gotten their hands on the serum a whole lot easier. Maybe the Russian operatives were a splinter faction of HYDRA? Who knows. I know who didn't know, Nick Fury.

Thanos apparently didn't know how to track down the Tesseract prior to it's use by SHIELD. The Other states as much to Thanos in the Avengers movie, "The Tesseract has awakened. It is on a little world, a human world. They would wield its power, but our ally knows its workings as they never will. He is ready to lead, and our force, our Chitauri, will follow. The world will be his, the universe will be yours. And the humans, what can they do, but burn!"

And of course all of this kerfuffle is due to Odin being a bad father and a terrible hider of dangerous secrets.

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[–] AP (5255) 5 years ago

Considering Hydra was controlling SHIELD and funding the Winter Soldier program at the same time, chances are, they sent an "agent" out there to confirm the death. Also, the death occurred in 1990 which would be before Fury became director so I'm still not sure how it's his fault.

As for Howard's serum, I think he was working by his lonesome as he was wont to do. Remember, Bucky didn't steal all of it. He only stole one bag of the stuff. The rest was still in the trunk. Not too many people would know what was missing.

I'll have to rewatch Avengers but I'll go with what you said. That's a bit of a plot hole as Thanos and others have had no problem tracking the stones with machines. It's also weird that Thanos was alerted then but not in WWII when the Tesseract was ACTUALLY in use.

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[–] NorrinRad (5004) 5 years ago

I'll have to rewatch Avengers but I'll go with what you said. That's a bit of a plot hole as Thanos and others have had no problem tracking the stones with machines. It's also weird that Thanos was alerted then but not in WWII when the Tesseract was ACTUALLY in use.

(I think that) From the MCU all of the stones were being looked for and retrieved by people and not machines. Allegedly they were pretty well hidden and or at one time in possession of and therefore protected by other powerful forces.

The use of the one stone by the Red Skull and Armin Zola during WWII seems to have been pretty minor given the true power of the stone. The real oddity to me is that SHIELD had possession of the Tesseract and Hydra didn't for almost 70 years. It only fell into Hydra's hands after the 1st Avengers' movie when Baron Strucker got ahold of it for experimentation.

Just another one of those apparent lapses of intelligence and security under Fury's command.

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[–] FilmBuff (6652) 5 years ago

He doesn't know that Elastica is Britpop, not grunge.

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[–] NorrinRad (5004) 5 years ago

Okay, okay under duress I will add that one to the list.

It goes to demonstrate that SHIELD isn't really much of an Intelligence organization but Grunge vs Britpop wasn't really a SHIELD secret. Or was it??????

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[–] NorrinRad (5004) 5 years ago

He doesn't know that Elastica is Britpop, not grunge.

Now that I think about it. Isn't Fury talking about Carol's clothes and not the music that is being played over the top of the scene? Unless CM went over to the Jukebox and played that tune I don't think that song is even in that scene.

Apparently in a nod to Terminator CM takes the clothes and the bike from some biker guy who "hits" on her. I think that little scene just may make the Anti-SJW, Anti-PC and Anti-Feminists posters here, there and everywhere a tad apoplectic! Yikes!

CM is a law breaker, a thief and a sexist bully apparently. No doubt the scene will be played for laughs at the expense of white males all over the world.

I'd be shocked if there is not the obligatory female kick to the guy's nut-sack!!

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[–] DracTarashV2 (4474) 5 years ago

Jk? Lol.

To me it’s obvious that Fury was referring to the way Carol was dressed, and not the music being played in the trailer (presumably in the bar?). Although considering Carol has a NIN shirt on (excellence!!), then a case can be made that Fury recognizes and yet mistakingly associates the NIN logo with the grunge scene, and thus.... Carol is sporting a “grunge band” tee!

But I am certain in the eyes of Fury, Carol’s whole look screamed grunge. Though you’ll hear “murmurs” that it’s not grunge enough, one can safely assume that Fury isn’t as hip as Gen X grunge fans. You looked like a rocker in the early-mid 90’s? Grunge confirmed. Mind you, you can see Brie with a flannel shirt tied around her waist in the movie, so *in Deadpool voice* Grunge!

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[–] FilmBuff (6652) 5 years ago

Yeah, I know. I was making a joke. It was a treat hearing Elastica in the trailer. Now if only they can sneak some Pulp into the film...

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[–] GreenGoblinsOck8 (7387) 5 years ago

Who in the world is Elastica?

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[–] FilmBuff (6652) 5 years ago

One of the biggest bands on the planet, circa 1995. Right up there with Pulp, Suede, Blur, Oasis, et al.

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[–] GreenGoblinsOck8 (7387) 5 years ago

I was listening to Greenday and Offspring back then.

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[–] FilmBuff (6652) 5 years ago

How unfortunate. I feel bad that you missed what was an amazing time for music. 1993-97 was one of a handful of peak moments for rock music. Sadly, it was also when Green Day and Offspring were making music.

It might be fun to revisit the era and search out some of the better stuff. It's never too late, and while it may be "old" now, it will be new to you, and you could discover some amazing music.

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[–] GreenGoblinsOck8 (7387) 5 years ago

To be honest, I am more into country than rock.

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[–] DracTarashV2 (4474) 5 years ago

You know, I went through my “I’m too cool, mature and know what real punk is to listen to them!” phase with Green Day. [Never got down with The Offspring]

These days? In the words of Thor: Not anymore!

I’m not into all of their stuff, but I unabashedly like and prefer them to most of the groups you mentioned. That’s right, I find merit (and basic rockin’ fun) in Green Day’s work. Oh, poor me! XD Plus seeing as how they hail from - around - my area and recorded their classic work here, you can say I feel a bit of a connection to them. Darn, I’m getting too cute ova hea now!

Anyway, I expect one cool and diverse 90’s soundtrack in Captain Marvel.

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