And, further, I hope whoever invested in this thing loses their investment, assuming miz Borden is portrayed as a murderess.
One might assume that the creative forces might read this post, examine their position, and thus re-engineer their program.
More likely the myth that Borden just up and killed her parents for no reason will be perpetuated.
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She was not molested.
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No she wasn't molested.
It was a theory to attempt to explain "her motivation" for the killings by later generations. It's untrue.
She also didn't kill her parents.
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Understood, but I didn't say I did.
If you look at the physical layout and the physics of the event (what investigators call "forensics"), then you will discover that the wound left by the axe that was used was brought down from someone whose arm length and reach shows that they were taller; at least taller than Mrs. Borden.
That individual also drove the weapon through very thick material; the forehead bone structure, meaning they had great strength. Not only that, but it was done repeatedly, meaning that they had the strength and adrenaline, and physical height, to repeatedly deliver the same blow over and over again. Poor Lizzie Borden was physically incapable performing that act.
Also, an axe was found on the roof the house behind the Borden's (on the next street over). It lay there for many years.
Reportedly a farmer told police that he had witnessed a man dressed in a black suit, who had blood splatters on him, talk to himself in an excited voice, about having killed two people. Yet the police ignored this man's testimony.
She was physically incapable, she also was psychologically incapable (she was quiet, and played games with the local children), and, further, actually had no evidence of any blood on her whatsoever. Even if she had washed her garments, then a common test would have detected stains not visible on her clothes. There were none.
She is not a murderess. She was not abused. She had no blood on her. She was not tall enough. She was not strong enough.
Make of that what you will.
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"she also was psychologically incapable (she was quiet, and played games with the local children)" based on that sentence you know nothing about psychology. There are plently of people who fit this description who have committed grisly murders.
shareOkay, assume I'm wrong in her character. Even if that's true the physical evidence points to a tall individual of great strength and zeal. She does not fit that description.
shareEven if that's true the physical evidence points to a tall individual of great strength and zeal.
I am a neurosurgeon, and the forehead is not very thick, as you mention in your statement. It is full of various sinus processes and thus, very thin layers of bone. It is one of the thinnest areas of the skull.
shareHey how much money ? do you make a year as a surgeon? Thanks
shareI am a neurosurgeon
I too believe she didn't do it however I did genenology research n found young Borden children living with families of different names in Fall River IMO it gave some credibility to the molestation n the agruemens for related diseases, n the fact of the dead infant found in the home !!
shareDead infant? What's your reference?
shareSo you're hell-bent on seeing this fail. Mysterious. But not as intriguing as the story that may unfold here. The real life mystery still haunts people. The story here may or may not hold tightly to every tiny fact that has been revealed about this case over time. But it's entertainment. It's a diversion. One might assume the creative forces ... will entertain.
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Eh, it's not that mysterious. Young miss Borden did not kill her parents, there was sloppy police work and lots of provincial thinking; i.e. the police thinking something like "Well, who's closest here, and whoever is must be the culprit."
That, as opposed to just looking at the hard physics of had to have happened. This poor woman was socially tortured for the rest of her life because some madman killed her parents, and the police, at that time, were borderline incompetent. And this series piles more on top of that?
Disgraceful.
It's called Entertainment. Lighten up, you're on IMDB. Or just be yourself. Retire and revel in degrees of rage.
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Well, maybe we can hack up your parents, stowaway the killer such that he's never found, and put you in the time and place of when your parents got axed, and then turn you personal life into a reality show as you try to defend your innocence for the rest of your life, and further witness your acts of rage against "the machine" as oodles of teenagers and 20-somethings post insults about your sexuality.
The only difference is that this poor woman is dead, yet people keep heaping onto this slam-book like childish fantasy.
There. I was being myself.
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Pbbtt, I'm beginning to think I'm on another mirror website. If I discover that's true, then I'm going to sue the living crap out of anybody who was involved.
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Sorry, based upon that poster's history and comprehension, I've got him or her blocked now. So I'm not sure what was said, but the truth is I used to defend Lizzie Borden to others, insisting she was not guilty. There's a lot of mystery and history there, and it's fascinating to some, dull and apparently mind boggling to others. I will probably tune in to watch, hoping it is a good story well played. Cheers.
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You can't be serious. Casey not guilty? Hilarious.
shareIT's a freaking TV show.. It doesn't matter if they show her guilt or innocence as they are just here for entertainment and for you to get all up in arms about it is so Hilarius you act as if you have some kind of personal stake in this.. LOLOLOLOLOLOLLOL
shareIt's history that's at steak, and a kind of person in the film and TV industry who thinks it's more important to let people emotionally vent than to get the facts right.
I'm telling you here and now that people are getting very frustrated with fifty plus years of this kind of BS approach to entertaining and educating people.
I don't think anyone involved in the production of this series is claiming that their goal is to educate people. I've seen several documentaries on the Lizzie Borden case, and if that factual approach was all this series was about, it would be interesting for about half an episode.
shareWell, it's the unspoken agenda; i.e. "I'll make a film showing what people should think and believe, and the facts be damned, because I know I'm morally right."
The problem comes when you start challenging the precepts upon which the nation was founded, in particular freedom, liberty, independence, and then sacrifice those for the sake of what you deem as justice and making people like one another when they actually don't like one another, and then wind up hating you for trying to force them to do something they didn't want to, tried to do, and didn't like it that much more because you steered them in that direction.
That's what's at risk. But it didn't begin with this show, nor will it end with this show. It is in point and fact the aim of all films.
I'm just tired of facts getting screwed over for emotional correctness, or the film maker saying "think rightly".
Don't think this show will ever be taught as history by any educator. Not unless there's a nice steak in it for him...
shareWell, maybe we can hack up your parents, stowaway the killer such that he's never found, and put you in the time and place of when your parents got axed, and then turn you personal life into a reality show as you try to defend your innocence for the rest of your life, and further witness your acts of rage against "the machine" as oodles of teenagers and 20-somethings post insults about your sexuality.
It's called Entertainment. Lighten up, you're on IMDB. Or just be yourself. Retire and revel in degrees of rage.Too bad Lizzie isn't around to hear that. Maybe it would make her feel a little better about the whole thing. share
I just saw the first preview I've seen for this, and IMHO it's a really stupid effin' idea for a series. The movie last year was awful...worst depiction ever of the Borden story...and I literally cringed while watching it. Trying to develop a series (limited or not) is an idiotic waste of time.
shareU have some serious issues. What is ure deal. If u have an issue with this series its quite simple dnt watch it at all. Dumb ass.mf.
shareOh yes.
Miss Borden was most certainly the killer.
Of that I have no doubt.
I also have no doubt I will enjoy this series.