Are Jace & Clary actually siblings?


Aren't they the central couple in the books? I only ask bcoz I haven't read them.

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No, they're not. Valentine lied.

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val wasn't really lying since he raise Jace and adopted him as his own. He even pick jace over his own son

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He's lying by allowing them to believe that they're biologically related to each other.

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He never said they were biological. He said they were brother and sister and it's kind of true

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He said he was their father...and Jocelyn had the box with the JC on it..so yes, he is saying he is their father which would make them siblings.

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val is Jace father, he might not be by blood but he is Jace father.
I am adopted too and that's make them my mom and dad

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@ howarand - I understand what you're saying and I'm pleased to see another happy family that's been created due to adoption! However, I think perhaps you're not seeing all the facts that the other posters have in mind when they are making these comments.

Why would it even matter to anyone if Jace and Carly are brother/sister? Because they are a couple, boyfriend/girlfriend at this time, but that relationship could possibly continue to grow until they become husband/wife and even parents themselves - that's where the problem would exist. There are laws in most countries and in every state of the U.S. that prohibits actual (blood related) siblings from marrying each other in order to prevent them becoming parents of children of their own. Way before anyone knew about or understood DNA, people had come to realize that when families inter-married within their own close relatives, children of those unions were very likely to have serious physical or mental disabilities. Perhaps by now with all the amazing information that DNA has revealed, scientists might understand the exact reason for this damage to those children. Back in the dark ages, when I was a kid, the explanation was that "when children are created it's an opportunity for new blood to correct problems that might have existed in either family. If one family has a history of Type A/childhood diabetes, if they marry the right person whose blood can fix that, perhaps it will conquer that problem." I have no idea if they understood that technically there was no "new blood" introduced into the fetus or if they just used that term because they understood there was a co-mingling of the traits and such from each parent, but did not have the vocabulary or the knowledge to explain how that co-mingling takes place. Let's face it, the idea that from 2 independent cells, one from each parent, a completely new and unique person can be formed, a person who has how many billion (?) cells in their body, that would have been a pretty difficult situation for people to have understood or accepted not even all that long ago!

Honestly, our country is in need of a really thorough make over of our incest laws because they are too different from state to state and we now do have DNA information that could form the scientific basis of these laws. In one state it might be illegal for a man to marry his adopted sister even though there is no actual blood relation between them (no reason that might negatively affect their children), but in the surrounding states there are two states that allow that type of marriage. Well, what happens when the couple who married after being raised as adopted brother and sister decides to move to the state where they would not be allowed to marry? That changes from state to state also - some states recognize a marriage performed in another state even though that same marriage would be illegal to perform in their state, but others will not recognize it as a legal marriage - what a mess! So, if you're looking for a worthwhile profession and a noble battle with which to start off your occupation - how about becoming an attorney, get elected to a position in the legislative branch at federal level and fixing this mess!


Shauna & Ms. Phoebe, my God-given Happy Pill

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He did say it though. "Blood calls to blood." I can't imagine any other meaning that that statement would have.

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No Valentine have son with Joseline but is not Jace.

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We know that...but that was not the original post..

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Certainly that was the case with the books and movie, but do we know for certain that they're going in that direction with the show?

In the kingdom of the blind, you're the village idiot.

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They are going that way in the show (will not end up being blood related)--or will be. They're following the demon blood storyline which would make Jace partially evil if true, and he's not evil at all. At most he's a confused teenager who's had it rough his whole life. No one wants to see Jace as a bad guy.

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I wonder how long they will take to clear up this storyline though. I hope this season because they gave Jace the information so early in the adaptation, and it really messed with his head in the novels where he basically only new it for a short while before it was all set straight.

By the way, Sebastian was the creepiest baby ever.

GRR...ARGH!

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Technically yes, technically no.

Jace was raised by Valentine and so he refers to him as his son, and Clary is Valentine's biological daughter. Jace and Clary are NOT biological siblings, however they both have angel blood due to Valentine's experiments so technically they could be considered "angelic siblings". That is also why they are so drawn to each other - "Blood calls to blood".

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If blood calls to blood, would they still be attracted to each other even if they were biological siblings?

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Sebastian is attracted to Clary

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@ overcrest2000 - I have not read the books and I'm binge watching S01 this weekend so I can then stay current with S02. You mention that they both have angel blood because of Valentine's experiments which technically would make them "angelic siblings." Is it clarified in either book, movie or series if the angel blood given to each was from the same angel? If not, they still wouldn't be siblings of any kind any more than someone who has received a blood transfusion from another person. Even if the blood came from the same angel, technically they still wouldn't be siblings, but I'm willing to go for it just because your term "angelic siblings" is so cool!

For example: a young, unattached woman is in a vehicle accident and is taken to the hospital where she needs a blood transfusion. They finally find someone who will be a safe blood donor for her - a nice, young single man, an intern at the hospital. Because he is aware of who needed his blood, he goes in daily to check on her progress and slowly their friendship grows. When he discovers that she is alone in this city, he offers to help her out when she is released and she gladly accepts. Fast forward to the next year and they are getting married. When they go to get their license, can someone come forward with the information about the transfusion and stop their marriage? NO WAY! What about their attraction to each other? Are they drawn to each other because "blood calls to blood"? Well, that is a kind of fun, romantic concept now, isn't it? So, I won't tell if you won't . . .

Shauna & Ms. Phoebe, my God-given Happy Pill

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The demon Lilith voluntarily helps Valentine with his experiments during which he doses a pregnant Jocelyn with her blood. When their son Jonathan is born, he is therefore part demon. Valentine later captures the angel Ithuriel and conducts experiments on him against his will, including dosing Jocelyn (who is pregnant with Clary) and a willing Circle member, Cecile (who is pregnant with Jace) with his blood.

Valentine burns down his house and fakes his own death as well as his infant son Jonathan's. He has Cecile killed and has Hodge cut the baby from her womb. He then raises both boys, separate from one another. Jonathan knows of Jace but not the reverse.

So, Clary and Jace both have Ithuriel's blood running through their veins. Angels, although still holy creatures, aren't portrayed as necessarily morally "good" in the Shadowhunters universe. They are powerful and terrifying and beautiful, but that's about where that distinction ends. Anyway, it's said later once they discover the truth about Valentine's experiments that the angel blood is what causes them to have such a powerful attraction to each other. So in a sense they are blood related, and Valentine has been a father to Jace most of his life, even if he is not his birth father.

So as much as Valentine may be stretching the truth, there is some semblance of truth to pretty much all of it.

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Thanks for a well-written and very thorough answer to my questions. It's nice to see comments that can be followed and actually make sense!

Shauna & Ms. Phoebe, my God-given Happy Therapy Pup (even at 12-years of age!)

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no they aren't . Valentine adopted Jace and named him Jonathan

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They are but not related or live with each other.

Just so you know, I am adopted.

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It's all very confusing..luckily we had the books to help make sense, and sometimes I had to read a paragraph or two over again to get the gist..Jace was not fathered by Valentine, nor born by Jocelyn...but there is another "being" who was...besides Clary.

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I read the books. Yes he wasn't fathered by and mother by either of them it doesn't mean Val not his dad. I guess I see things different. Maybe because I am adopted.
I am not related to them but they're still my parent.

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I understand that you're adopted and that's great, but Jace and Clary think they can't be together because they've been told they're biological siblings.

In the kingdom of the blind, you're the village idiot.

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"Sebastian" (the REAL Jonathan Morgenstern, not Jace, as we thought) IS Clary's older biological brother. He is the son of Valentine and Jocelyn. He was a Shadowhunter born with demon blood as a result of Valentine's experiments. Jace's parents are Stephen and CĂ©line Herondale. Upon Jace's mother's death, the Lightwoods adopted him. Clary ultimately killed her brother by stabbing him with the heavenly-fire-infused Heosphoros to release the demon blood (the demon blood was burned out of his body when she stabbed him) Valentine used to experiment on him, along with the "Sebastian" persona, leaving the uncorrupted bit of Lilith's blood in his body. His body was eventually partially burned out of respect for his living family members by the Nephilim mostly to make sure he would be able to return to life a second time.

Steve

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