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The "reviewers" here are pathetic


God forbid you show ONE dog being killed on the road or a thousand vegan idiots will give one to your film. (Oh apparently having the dog poop on the floor is equally horrible)

I'm sure you loved hundreds of films with humans being shot, does that mean you hate humans? Are you human haters? If you love animals you can not tolerate under any circumstances the idea of a (fake, fictional) dog being killed on screen? And you're going to throw away any other opinion or fact about this movie and give it ONE because of that one scene?

You're pathetic, and yes, you're just as mature and intelligent as the idiots giving one to the new Ghostbusters because it has women in it. That's the level of intelligence you're displaying.

Stop giving your opinions if you're that stupid.

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Here's my 2 cents from http://www.eyeforfilm.co.uk/review/wiener-dog-2016-film-review-by-david-graham

The irascible Todd Solondz further expands his cinematic universe with a portmanteau ensemble piece featuring a semi-sequel to his breakthrough growing pains saga Welcome To The Dollhouse as one of four uneven episodes. Not unlike Bret Easton Ellis' continued blurring and revision of past glories, the characters he returns to are not necessarily the same people we witnessed previously, and are played by different performers (in a more successful adaptation than he managed with tepid Happiness companion Life During Wartime). Even the dogs are shuffled around like a deck of cards – both in terms of the canine actors used and their characters' fates – in ways that seem to signify how little it matters who is what and playing whom – they are all equally disposable and special at once. In a Solondz film, the pawns (onscreen and in the audience) are put through their paces for his own sadistic glee but also for universal catharsis; as with his partial return to form Dark Horse, there's a mature levity to much of the material that could surprise sceptics as much as disappoint diehards.

Wiener-Dog is intended as a life-lesson playmate for in-remission pre-teen Remy, a gift from his alpha male father that sits ill at ease with his suburbanite mother, leading to domestic division and uncomfortable brushes with the reality of modern pet care. Doody is reprieved from the vet's needle of death by the hopelessly altruistic Dawn Wiener, leading to a reconciliation with a high-school bully that could lead to old wounds being healed. Meanwhile, down-at-heel scriptwriter-cum-Professor Schmerz is stuck between past glories and present misanthropy and an elderly artiste is faced with mortality through her own callous actions.

If it sounds like there's less meat on the bones of the last two sections of this narrative, that's because there is; the film sags in the middle – not unlike its eponymous heroine – after hitting a genuinely emotional career-high of uncharacteristic poignancy and grace for Solondz, via Rory Culkin's interplay with some brilliant Down's syndrome actors. Of course, the rascally writer-director follows up with the film's most indulgent fourth wall-breaking prank – of which there are arguably a few - but not unlike the gross-out Farrelly Brothers-style punchlines to the first and last segments, it feels engineered for a cheap laugh at the expense of the film's intended high-falutin' viewers, not least in its duration (perhaps another reference to the beyond-reason human engineering of the dachshund's physicality – he has cruel fun with the dogs' form throughout).

Solondz's dialogue is as ripe as ever – Julie Delpy's character contradicts her maternal concern that her son is fit to look after another being through her amusingly insensitive words of wisdom, while the outwardly stern Tracy Letts – the blistering bard of Friedkin's Bug and Killer Joe among others – punctures paternal machismo wonderfully through his pathetic posturing and empty chest-beating. Greta Gerwig elicits genuine sympathy for perhaps the first time since becoming an insufferable indie darling as Dollhouse's Dawn Wiener, her optimistic exchanges with Culkin's monosyllabic drug-abuser charged with real longing and nuance in a way her recent series of one-note performances in Noah Baumbach flicks suggested may have been beyond her.

As in Happiness, the old guard do the most with the thinnest material – Danny DeVito is perfectly cast as the schlubbily negative Schmerz, his childish ego and bitter self-centredness somehow offset by just the right amount of pathos, his defiance echoing Jon Lovitz's scene-setting reject from Happiness' opening. Topping it all off is Ellen Burstyn's nameless art-icon grandma, her world-weariness brilliantly tempered by her eventual return to a childlike sense of regret. What she achieves from behind blackout visor and zimmer-frame is a masterclass in coiled absurdity and empathetic ennui.

Sadly the stories backing these latter characters don't do them justice, with the worlds of cinema students and art-snobs hardly original targets for Solondz ire – maybe if he had something new to say about these empty vessels populating his own circles these stories would come to life a little more, but it's probably telling that the dogs play ever-smaller roles in these episodes. It feels like he's shoehorning the dogs into stories he already had, rather than observing them and the other characters orbiting around each other, making the film's ill-natured tail-end come off as obligatory, despite the pleasingly appropriate transition from one generation to the next via the narrative torch-passing.

Interestingly, the keen eye the director has always shown for composing a satirically soap opera-tinged shot gives way as the film progresses to a more lived-in, naturalistic style – especially with the shift from suburban lawns to urban angst – and his use of garish colour and tell-tale mise-en-scene remains as sharp as ever (although the copy of Roots on a dreadlocked college dean's bookshelf is perhaps a low blow). Similarly, his continued use of ironically chirpy music works well in some scenes but becomes grating in others – the bittersweet odyssey of the second tale is undercut by Doody's cooing theme song – and the emphasis on minorities stuck in their stereotypes (via a rootless Mariachi family and a musclebound African-American celebrity named Fantasy) feels like provocation for its own sake. Particularly disappointing is how little he has to say about man's best friend, but perhaps this is part of the point – the dog is always secondary to selfishness.

For better and worse, Wiener-Dog is a Solondz film through and through – there's still no-one daring to be quite so acerbic and inhumane towards his characters while keeping them grounded in a sense of relatable experience; it's Robert Altman by way of early John Waters. That he manages to cover so much ground in under 90 minutes is to be commended, although as with Storytelling – another lopsided experiment in segmentation – he could still stand to trim the fat here and there. If the different episodes aren't quite as consistent as this approach demands, perhaps this is self-reflective of his overall worldview – he's forever senselessly punishing us as much as his characters (and perhaps himself), and for this we should all be thankful.

7/10

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Hey man, thanks for posting your review here. My #1 peeve on IMDB are people who only post links and expect us to go off to their site based on nothing more than a bare URL.

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if you are a fan of Solondz, imo this was one of his best films. even tho i loved life during wartime and did enjoy dark horse i think i may have liked wiener-dog better. ill have to give it a second watch.

I'd say it might be his best since storytelling.

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It's my favourite of his after Happiness (his best) and Welcome To The Dollhouse, then I'd say Dark Horse, Storytelling and Life During Wartime is his weakest (haven't seen Palindromes but might watch tonight actually). I just think the 3rd story really sucks the life out of Wiener-dog, and the last story isn't much better. The first half is maybe his most balanced work if not his sharpest. That intermission can bugger off though, or be chopped in half at least.

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I agree Happiness is his best film, and also my fav.

Palindromes is def an interesting film of his tho. i remember seeing it in the theater back in 2005 and me and my 2 buddies were the only ppl laughing. it has some hysterical moments in it. Palindromes also still has that really nasty side of solondz still similar to happiness and storytelling kinda before he sort of "mellowed out" but you could tell he might be getting there soon. plus Palindromes has jiminy from dark horse in it (the toysrus employee) LOL

But i also remember seeing life during wartime in the ifc center with solodnz present and he was a very genuine fellow. I even asked him for an autograph as he walked past my row after introducing the film and he had no problem stopping in the middle of the theater with ally sheedy next to him, and even asked me my name so he could sign a life during wartime mini poster ifc had free samples of for me.

Hes a really great guy to his fans. At least from my experience.

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Huh. My two favorite bits are in the third and fourth parts. The ostrich egg, and the whole deal with the film student who wants to explore gender fluidity (including his convo with his friends afterward).

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well you are clearly a bigot

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lmfao, what troll? you're clearly a moron.

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Actually I'm pretty sure he is completely the opposite. Look at the mirror, maybe you are the bigot.

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Did you take your time and check the reviews for this movie? I do not think so. I did not find a single negative review mentioning the low grade because the dog being killed or mistreated. Only in the message board there is one stupid thread like that. This movie received low ratings because it is bad, far far from Todd`s greatest, and one of my favorites "Happiness"...

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THANKS FOR THE SPOILER ALERT, Mr. Pathetic Reviewer.

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Found the ever-so-delicate and uber-sensitive anti-vegan. Railing against the world (and movie reviews) one vegan at a time!

How in the world that in any way connected to the Ghostbusters movie is whack-a-crack. But, hey, if you're going to out yourself as a rabid vegan-hater, might as well out yourself as a misogynist as well. Kind of surprised you couldn't find a way to link in a racist comment while you were at it.

The movie has low reviews because it was sloppy and uneven. Also, the description didn't really match the movie, which probably led to more than a few animal-lovers (who probably weren't vegan, because there's a ton of people who claim to love animals who aren't vegan) being disappointed.

I would have rated the movie higher if it had stayed on course. The second half felt inconsistent with the first, and the weird "intermission" didn't help. It was like "spoiler alert -- movie changing gear". The first half clearly hinged on the wiener dog as part of the story; the second half didn't at all. It's like they just filmed completely different tangents and then tossed the wiener dog into a couple of frames in an attempt to tie it together. The first half was strong, and the second half was weak.

I was disappointed that the dog wasn't more of a focus, considering the dang movie was named after a dog. The dog getting splatted on the freeway really wasn't any big deal at all. You knew it was coming because of the setup of the house being right next to the busy street. It was really dragged out, though. I half expected to see a moped, bicycle, skateboard and hoverboard run his body over. And then, for a baby to crawl over it. That's how ridiculous the scene was.

I rated the film lower specifically because of the lame, cheesy, poor-quality story in the second half. Nothing at all to do with sniff-sobbing about the pretend dog hit-and-run. And, unlike all the other reviewers you are sniveling about, I actually am a vegan.

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I do not hate vegans (or anybody really) but I strongly dislike vegans (or other forms of animal right activists) who can not put their agenda on the side to give an objective opinion on a film.

That you disliked that the film was inconsistent is one thing, and that's a valid argument. But how in hell such a movie ends up with 1/10 or 2/10 stars, in reviews that barely ever mention anything ELSE than the "mistreatment" of the titular dog.

I don't really understand how any movie could have 1 or 2 stars to be fair, I'm pretty sure any movie I've ever seen has enough redeeming qualities to deserve at least 3 or 4 out of 10.

But let's face it, rbnn's review, 1/10, only negative things said are the director "kills" an animal, before complimenting some of the photography and finding at least one of the shorts interesting. How does that qualify for 1/10? Complete hypocrisy. Ruth1964 : Dont see it if you're an "animal lover", a dog has diarhea and gets killed. 1/10. Doxiemommy, talks more about dogs than what she thought of the film, 1/10.

Recurring theme on all those reviews is they are so called "animal-lovers" or "dog-lovers", I mean good for you (And you're right, they're probably not vegans since they have pets) but you can't use that as your sole argument to give a film 1/10. If you do that, you are pathetic, I stand by that statement. You refuse to judge a film on it's values and instead judge it on wether it conforms to your beliefs.

And why the bloody *beep* are you talking about Ghostbusters? And why the bloody *beep* would I throw racist comments? I'm glad to see that in your world people are either on your side or hateful-racist-misogynist-rapist-nazi-murderers. I wouldnt expect less from a vegan

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Am I really the only one who liked the second half of the movie best?

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@diddykong5: Sounds like you forgot to take your medication.

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I'm with you.

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