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Way too ambiguous to be enjoyed...


Ugh. I don't mind ambiguous movies that make you as the viewer put the pieces together or even come up with your own story or ending. But there is a fine line between doing that in a way that is still satisfying and then just doing it to the point where it is becomes a muddled mess. This is a muddles mess.

It actually begins well enough with our main girl clearly in an unstable state and we get the impression she was like that well before entering the house. But by the middle of the film, the questions just keep coming and the answers at the end are confusing and not at all satisfying.


Examples... 1. What exactly did Dr. Abbott do to her? 2. Did she kill him or did she kill Henry Sullivan? She saw both names in his wallet. 3. Was the house even haunted at all or all in her mind? 4. Where did the black lady at the end get a key to go in with the cops?

See? These questions aren't just "oh, you fill in the blank and use your imagination type things." If I answered all those questions with just my thoughts, I would be making up an entire new movie in my head. I don't appreciate that.

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A frequent complaint of mine when it comes to horror genre or thriller movies of late. Even if it is a solid film throughout, if the ending is so open ended the whole of hat proceeded falls through it then to me it's an abysmal failure.

Ambiguity, as you say, can be a good thing but if it smacks of laziness or lack of imagination on the writer\film makers part then no. Of late I have been subjected more and more to films where I have to fill in the blanks and feel it is a sign of brain drain rather than a cinematic choice. Or perhaps lack of imagination or ability to end a story dressed as a cinematic choice.

I am right now 22 minutes into this, whcih I thought would be a very enjoyable movie as I like the lead actress and have seen her in one of the directors other films "Pod" (as well as "Jug Head" which also starred Sean Young) but am bored stiff. Sure obviously something is up with the girl, and the house is no doubt haunted but... so far *yawn*

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Yes!
Come back when you finish and let me know if my questions are indeed open-ended or if I just didn't get it.

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You are correct about every aspect.

While there was an ending, unlike some films, there were far too many questions left hanging. Your questions about Dr. Abbott and what he did or didn't do or if Henry had anything at all to do with her trauma (as we saw scars on her abdomen - yet in the shower scene there were no scars!). And notice the black woman was dressed as if it were the 1920's and not present. What did that mean, if anything?? If the cops had been dressed as keystone style police I would have made a leap and though everything we had seen was a "time echo"! yes and why she had key... ugh, intentionally ambiguous or simply sloppy storytelling!

I feel like messaging the director not to ask him for clarity but to chide him for putting his audience through so many needless paces. As you said, "Way too ambiguous to be enjoyed". There is a fine line between ambiguity and frustration. In this case, the film maker fell on the side of frustration.

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I didn't even realize the scars were gone when she was showering off all tbe blood after chopping him up. That pisses me off even more because it makes the whole "she's nuts due to a trauma" idea ambiguous too. Ugh. I wish they just played it straight to be honest. Either had her be completely nuts or had the house be completely haunted and making her do everything. All these looming questions just ruins it.

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It is a trend these days; end a film with such an open ending the audience is left wondering what they just saw.

Predominately I have seen this in horror films (almost all I watched in the past month have had crappy endings) but even in main stream fare such as "Gone Girl" we were left with an open ending. Not so much about what we just saw, that was revealed, but as to the fate of the couple (such as they were).

This type of ambiguity dates back to the "new film revolution" in the late 60's and 70's. Films prior gave us an ending, even if it was the cliche "They walk off into the sunset together" ending. Since then more and more (now almost all except action and super hero films) simply do not give us a denouement; or at least one that ties up all the loose ends.

Oh well, I still like the actress! She did a fine job and is not to blame for the mess the film was.

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So my initial interpretation is that she was raped by someone, got treated by a Dr. Abbot and then got released.

Then the haunted house using the antichrist cross necklace as some kind of totem made her think it was Henry who raped her. But it wasn't him. We see how she reacts to him and the demon uses her trauma to make her think and do this. He's just some guy.

I actually don't mind that it could be due to both reasons - the demon needs to find a weakness to make her do it and this is hers. And we see how he does it.

All in all it's a very beautiful movie and doesn't really need to make sense imho. I agree that for many current movies ambiguity is annoying but this is less about the specific story and more about the crazy.

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Agree. I expected sooo much more. I got nothing! I'm pissed

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^^This. ..I'm very surprised there's so much hate here for this visually stunning/indie art-horror film. It is just all Opinion, but in this very Specific genre & style film; what exactly do you all feel is better/a good film? The only that comes to mind for me, is the French movie, Amer (2009). It IS a different film, but has some similarities
& is maybe a bit less ambiguous..but what exactly Do you consider an excellent film in this Specific style/genre? I'm NOT looking to have an art snob Argument, & won't; but realy what do you all consider (opinion) for a stand out minimalist/art-horror film?

~ @deadpopstar

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Me too, god forbid anyone has to think or draw their own conclusions, I can understand people not liking it because of the slow pace, etc. but to hate on something this well made is to much. I wish I could see more films like this.

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derekjager:
Thank you much for mentioning/recommending Repulsion. I never got around to seeing it & am very glad to have now!! I Already "felt" some older Polanski homage like Eye of the Devil & Rosemary..also Hitchcock, Lynch's earlier work, many others & the French film Amer i forementioned. It draws inspiration from Lots of films through the years.
But yeah; if ANY film it pays the most blatant tribute to, it would definitely be Repulsion!! It still just draws the Most inspiration from that film, also ambiguous; but different enough to where I loved both disturbing movies from vastly different film eras of a specific style. Just wanted to thank you for that recommendation!! MAYBE some of the unsatisfied people here would prefer the less ambiguous, more plot/cast/ect film that is Repulsion?..Idk; just glad I got to see the movie!!

~ @deadpopstar

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So the answers to what's doing on in THIS film are found if you watch ANOTHER film? You're okay with that? Maybe we need to watch "Son-In-Law" to truly understand this one. Maybe the films of Paulie Shore are the Rosetta Stone of understanding modern lazy horror! :)

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1) Usually when a woman is that traumatize it's abuse involved and implied her doctor was the abuser. As to if this was a psychiatrist she might have been sent to as child or if her father was a doctor who abused her as a child.

2)She killed the first name you saw. After being haunted in her dreams by the man she killed her mind made him her abuser so she could justify her reason for killing him.

3)I don't think the house was haunted. I think because of it's size and being alone in general, if you're in a strange place and not use to the "normal" noises in your home you imaging ghost and her unstable mind played into the rest. Also one locked door peeks curiosity and implied hints of deaths, ghost, and devil worship feed that imaginations. I think the director used the lighting and flashes so we can imagine her breaking psychosis. If there was anything sinister it was the home owner that keep hiring they same type of woman to house sit. Like she is doing some sick mind experiment. Maybe she got off on seeing if it would make them stronger or break them.

4)The black woman from the way she was dressed was the housekeeper and probable had her own key. A house that size don't dust itself and it was very clean. It appeared to be the late 50's or early sixties giving the hairstyles, clothing. Also the director using a black and white filter.

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You said:
"2)She killed the first name you saw. After being haunted in her dreams by the man she killed her mind made him her abuser so she could justify her reason for killing him"

Why'd she kill him in the first place? How'd she know his name? It would've make sense if she called him "Abbot" because then it could've been that she was going crazy and thought he was Abbot, but she knew his name! She didn't think it was Abbot, she thought it was Henry Sullivan...which is who?!

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The name switching was a bit of an issue for me. If you watch the second scene when she's checking his wallet, it said Sullivan. I assume that's who she thought was her abuser, originally. Then it changes to Abbott, so I assumed that's when she realized she killed the wrong guy. THEN, to make it even more confusing, when she's talking to Ma'am, she refers to her references as Dr. Abbott and that she never took care of his family?? She then goes on to say that Sullivan deserved to die and that Dr. Abbott said she was okay?? I don't know, I could be missing something here. Was Dr. Abbott her original abuser and she was reminded of that when his name appeared on the wallet and then she flipped? In that case of course, then the demon messed with her head and set up the whole meeting of Henry and the girl on the street to trick her. Ah, the fun of having an unreliable narrator...

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I'm glad someone pointed out Amer. Amer worked for me. As did The Color of Your Body's Tears. As did Repulsion. As did Last Year at Marienbad. I'm no stranger to art house or horror films, but for some reason Darling just didn't click. I wanted to like it so much too. It wasn't the narrative that bothered me. It was the production. The acting was amateurish, the sound design was what could be best described as "gratuitous" (Give the damn thing moments to breathe!), and the visuals and scenarios were a pastiche of cliches. But perhaps...

Perhaps that's it. Perhaps my most significant problem is with its aggressive focus on "homage." There's no new ground being covered here, no taking the trappings of this sort of film into new territory, no subversion. It's just bits and pieces of previous, more successful films. It's cut and paste, and nothing more. With that being said, I think the problem isn't that it's ambitious. The problem is that it lacks any ambition whatsoever. It's the equivalent of fan-fiction.

I think it's worth at least sitting through once. But it feels more akin to an experiment, the way the Psycho remake did, than it does to a proper stand alone narrative film.

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1. dr. abbott was her doctor (for problems unknown). he, presumably, cured her, allowing her to go out and secure employment. for this reason, i believe she basically likes him. as you recall, she listed "abbott" as a reference, and her boss told her on the phone that she was able to get ahold of him, so...

2. that guy was neither abbott or sullivan. i believe that the person that originally conjured the devil was perhaps raped by a man named henry sullivan, long ago; this rape is re-enacted in the scene (not sure if this is a dream or what) where darling is in bed and her victim enters her room and accosts her. i believe darling was possessed, first by the "spirit" of the devil-conjurer, and made to kill a random under the delusion that it was sullivan, then by the devil itself, who caused darling to believe she killed her doctor, who she presumably liked. so the murder she committed was even more abhorant to her. but the actual victim was nobody; even in the credits, he is just "the man".

3. the house was haunted/infected by demons. when darling busted down that door, the entity within was loosed to take over completely and cause her suicide.

4. the black lady was probably the housekeeper or cleaner; she would have a key, although why she didnt use it immediately is beyond me.

this is all merely my opinion, but i think things in the film support it.




"...if only you could see what I've seen with your eyes!" Roy Batty

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