"It's absurd, everything is absurd. And like I'm the *beep* victim here. It's 100% on Jordan...100%. I don't even take a half a percent. I mean he...he...he made that happen. But you know, maybe he would have killed somebody if it hadn't been me." Michael Dunn after his First degree conviction for the murder of Jordan Davis.
shareOne of the most haunting parts of the film to me, and thats saying a lot!
"WHO'S ON TOP & WHO'S ON BOTTOM NOW, huh?! WHO'S ON TOP & WHO'S ON BOTTOM NOW!"
Yep, you're right. The entire thinking and certainly the actions of Michael Dunn are beyond disturbing. While the documentary included the most important points to get across in 99 minutes there is so much more to the delusion and lies Dunn cloaked himself in.
I believe after the shooting, Dunn drove back to the motel, with his girlfriend, he ordered a pizza and returned home the next day. Even IF you had been "standing your ground" defending yourself - who doesn't stay around and wait for the police after unloading 10 bullets into a car full of teenagers???
The next most haunting image I have is of Jordan's friend LeLand, on the stand, showing how Dunn held up the gun and cocked it with a sliding motion just before shooting at their car. It's so visceral and plays out, in my mind, in slow motion with Dunn flashing a killer's look as he began shooting.
He didn't wait or call for cops because he was drunk
He was driving drunk and he already had a dui and served jail time
Also he knew cops might not buy his story so he wasn't going to ID himself
Ridiculous but not really surprising. I'm not from Florida, but I was down there when the whole Trayvon Martin thing was going on. Typical conversation amongst friends...
Friend- "Trayvon's a thug. 100% his fault. Got what he deserved."
Me- "But he was standing on a street corner minding his own business. He wasn't even committing a crime."
Friend- "Yeah, but he could've been. That's reason enough."
Me- "Oh ok. LOL"
Wouldn't doubt that there were similar conversations in the Jordan Davis jury room that resulted in the mistrial on murder 1. Although in defense of the jury and Michael Dunn, at least there could have been an invisible shotgun involved in this killing.
- or so the Germans would have us believe...
I found it truly unbelievable that the first jury allowed, what seemed to be Dunn's only defense - he THOUGHT he saw a gun, to be the reasonable doubt they hung their not guilty (on the 1st degree charge) verdict upon. They DID find him guilty of 3 counts of 2nd degree, for the other three occupants - but they DIDN'T convict on the one killing Dunn did commit. I can't even imagine what went on in that freaking jury room. Really twisted reasoning right there.
shareI don't blame the jury for the twisted reasoning, I blame the law for allowing such a ridiculous loophole to hold weight. I actually think it was smart of the jurors to agree that ( at least I assume that they agreed that) only one of the kids (jordan), was accused of being armed so that doesn't justify him shooting at all of them. I'm not saying I agree with that verdict, because I'm convinced with no doubt that he was lying about feeling threatened, but any juror who could excuse him for that could not excuse him for shooting at all the other teens in the car.
Dunn was really able to pervert the stand your ground law to defend his insanity. it's frightening. I'm outraged that our justice system can support the delusions of a crazed man, and his claims that he may have seen a gun (that no one else saw or heard) and therefore they were a threat to him. Where's the law that protects us from his dangerous delusions?
I can't imagine how difficult it must have been to be on that jury.
"WHO'S ON TOP & WHO'S ON BOTTOM NOW, huh?! WHO'S ON TOP & WHO'S ON BOTTOM NOW!"
Friend- "Trayvon's a thug. 100% his fault. Got what he deserved."
Me- "But he was standing on a street corner minding his own business. He wasn't even committing a crime."
Friend- "Yeah, but he could've been. That's reason enough."
Me- "Oh ok. LOL"
You mean the gun-waving psychopath who chased him up the street for no reason, even after the cops ordered him not to? How would you have reacted if you were walking down the street at night minding your own business (which he was!) and all of a sudden some nutcase with a gun comes running after you in an aggressive manner... Fight, flee, or submit?
Now look at psychoboy Zimmerman's recent legal issues. This guy's more of a public menace than 100 Trayvons ever would have been.
- or so the Germans would have us believe...
Uh post your facts that he was chasing Martin down the street with a gun;
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The legal problems: he ain't been arrested for them because they were found 'unfounded'...Now what would you think of a woman who hooks up with a man who's dead broke & a couple million in debt? I'd be thinking there was something wrong with that girl.
Why can't you wretched prey creatures understand that the Universe doesn't owe you anything!?
First, he didn't "chase" anyone. He followed Martin. There's nothing illegal about that. I can follow you on a public street.
Second, the "cops" didn't tell him anything. The 911 operator told Zimmerman they didn't him to do anything. Big difference between a 911 operator and a cop.
Third, Martin had no idea Zimmerman had a gun.
They both could've easily walked away after their encounter. Martin chose to attack Zimmerman and was killed while on top Zimmerman, beating him. Martin also had a bookbag with a screwdriver and women's jewerly, so let's not make Martin out to be a saint here.
"You're close, but the sky's closer"
Does it matter to you what actually happened, though, or only the "oppressed and hunted young black man" agenda?
The truth is that Martin chose to try to beat down somebody who was annoying him, and that person happened to have a gun. Accepting the probability that Zimmerman was being intrusive and annoying, that still doesn't give you the right to beat somebody down, nor to expect somebody that is getting his head bashed on the concrete won't shoot to protect himself. It doesn't take Saint Zimmerman to make this true.
All Martin has to do is to take the 30 seconds to walk (or <10 to run) to his father's door, and he's still alive today. Or, just don't beat the guy down, however much you think he "deserved" it. Just tell him: "Yeah? You called the cops? Good. When they get here you can explain how an adult was harassing a teenager in his own neighborhood. Tell them I'll be right down there at my dad's house. You can see it from here. Address is [etc.]."
Trayvon was not really a thug, you're right. But you do understand a lot of that was in reaction to the media's potrayal of him as a nonviolent, saintly honor student who, when he was killed, still looked like the 13-year-old in the standard photo of him that was unrelentingly circulated by media outlets who refused to update it, an image that contributed to the idea that there was no way that cherubic kid was beating anybody down that night, so Zimmerman must have gone "hunting for a harmless black child to kill."
Point is, both sides owe accuracy. In fact, that might be the thing to get past the idea of "sides" in the first place.
He is 100% a liar.
Listening to his taped jailhouse conversations- he was not in any real conversation with his finance he was planting his story.
Fake
I cried watching Jordan's parents and hope they know that everyone is not like that jerk-bag.
My love and condolences to his family
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AGREE! But it is just so sad! All that we feel and know, it just does nothing toward the hateful "pig" that took this young man's life from all those who knew and loved him. Hey, teenagers do dumb things. Look at Brittany Spears, Justin Beiber, oh, sorry, they're white. It really points out a lot of sad truths. Thank you for your expression of condolences. You have a good heart!!
OMG! This Dunn makes me want to vomit! And his smirking and facial gestures to his financee during the trial. PUKE! I was stunned when she gave her contradicting, to his, testimony. Kudos to her, or who knows where this jury's mines would have been directed. His comments and testimony were real. They were not any script of the director of this film presentation. Some haters have criticized it for being biased. DUH! Haters--like Dunn--can justify anything. Even murder. 10 shots! Are you kidding me.... "Thought"!!?? I have an old expression, I can't say here, but do any of you know what "thought" did because he "thought" he had gas?
I could not believe he could say "100% on Jordan....." Then you saw the true Dunn. An angry racist!
I remember this story as it happened. A friend of mine went to visit Florida around the same time and as he was with his wife, there were older couples there wishing he did something just go give them a reason. He was a big dark Asian guy, semi body builder so just his looks alone would give a smaller man the idea to show that he is more of an alpha male.
As a gun owner and advocate, I find what had happened to be absurd. We are all not like that. I would never shoot someone over loud music, just like I wouldn't shoot anyone over mowing their lawn at 7 am (which happens a lot were I live).
Like uncle Ben said, "with great power comes great responsibilities". If you can't handle a tool that powerful, and if it has to change your thought of life to become a wolf and not a sheep dog, don't bother owning a gun.
As a gun owner also.
I agree with you 100% @Kill_da_Rainbow
This floored me when I heard that.....I went from feeling sad to enraged right away. This guys is exactly where he needs to be, and it is correct that he should never get out, he can't even feel remorse for the loss of this young life....what a disgusting excuse for a human.
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