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the american vigilante was angry at the wrong people


there was a line in the film where he says " you go to a construction site and they are all illegals , they don't pay taxes...etc" so instead of trying to stop the e,p;ayer who is probable;y white or certainly american from hiring the illegal he tries to stop the illegal from coming in , if the employer doesn't hire them then there is no reason to come in , its like drugs , they wouldn't be bringing drugs to america if americans were not using drugs , so stop the employer from hiring them , treat them like a drug dealer who deals jobs to the lowest bidder , and punish them mush harsher as you would a drug dealer as oppose to the drug user , and in this case the employee , in essence , the employer exploits the illegal b/c they can pay them less and not get in trouble for hiring them . thats the reason btw why reagan had amnesty , bush 2 , mccain , romney all were in favor of amnesty , its cheap labor for big business , instead of building a wall make it a mandatory 10 years in prison for hiring the illegal and then find a task force that drives around to construction sites ...etc looking at employees status , and if they discover that the employee was illegal and that the employer knowingly hire the illegal , 10 years

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Sure but you think millions of illegals in America would leave if they don't get construction jobs? You think they'd rather go back and be homeless and poor in Mexico instead of the same thing in America?

All that would do is make it more likely they'd join some sort of gang or start dealing drugs since that's what most poor unskilled Americans do. So either legalize them and have them pay taxes or kick them out. There will ALWAYS be someone who will hire illegals in order to save money, be it a big company or some guy renovating his kitchen.

I hate to say it, I really do but just letting more and more and more people come in here is not the solution. There are 2 solutions, Americans stop doing drugs by such huge numbers...or we legalize and regulate them in order to cut off the cartels from profiting or we do more to help Mexicans fight the cartels (though this doc makes that seem pretty pointless) or help Mexico have a better economy.

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Wish the documentary had a few more minutes to cover the Arizona Border Recon. They just showed them walking around dressed up as Army Rangers. But maybe that was the point, they couldn't show a lot since what they did was too gritty (I may be reaching here a little bit by using the term, "gritty").

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By the end of the film I was thoroughly depressed with the whole situation. Here and in Mexico.

The Autodefensas seemed heroic to me for a while. I should have known better.

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American freedom is the problem. People think they have right to use drugs, they have right to buy cheap goods, cheap houses, benefit from illegal labour, make money don't pay taxes and if you are pissed off at the system then have right to pick up your machine gun and start patrolling the border and if all that sounds bad, then don't make a change, watch a documentary and complain about it in internet.

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American freedom is the problem.


No. Lack of personal accountability is the problem.

I think people should be free to make their life what they want to make it. If people want to sit around and smoke drugs all day, that's fine with me.

My problem is when their inability to take responsibility for their own life/miserable failure begins to negatively affect my life.

The U.S. government likes to pretend that they are fighting illegal immigration, but the reality is that they're endorsing it. Wholeheartedly. The U.S. citizens who hire illegal immigrants are the same people who fund political campaigns and pad the wallets of representatives.

It's just like ISIS. The U.S. could kill every Islamic terrorist in less than a month if they wanted to. But they don't want to. They need a bogeyman to keep citizens scared and distracted, making them easier to manage. ISIS and illegal immigration is our bogeyman. Just like communism was 50+ years ago.

Freedom is what makes America great. But the truth is, the country is getting worse and I have less freedom now than I have at any point in my life. And it shows no signs of stopping.

As the pawns fight each other to the death over nonsense, the game continues to play out according to plan.

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Jhill what rights did U have 10 years ago that U don't have today???? Or even 20 or 50 years ago

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I pretty much agree with your point: the problem is not mexicans wanting to earn some money north of the border, the problem is everyone middle-class and up being addicted to the cheap labor that illegals provide (from the $10-manicure to the hordes of Mexicans in the Californian strawberry fields: all that luxury is paid for by 'way less than minimum wage').
Though a full economic analysis would also mention that as much as the underclass is harmed by that avalance of cheap labor, they also benefit a bit from cheap groceries and the like (this is just to make the picture complete, most of the benefits of migration are reaped by the upper crust).

I think his rage at mexicans owes a lot to 'i can take them on, while i cannot take on Big Bussiness'. In his own misguided way he wants to 'make a difference', together with his buddies who gave him a purpose in life.

The only way to stop this race to the bottom is for the working class* to band together, through all ethnicities (and all age and gender, but in the usa at the moment it's mostly about black-white-latin being played against each other)

(* working class =/= the 99%, hipster college-kids and trailer-trash are not the same demographic, no matter how much the middle-class always wants to pretend they are dirt poor and the upperclass wants to pretend they are middleclass)

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"so instead of trying to stop the e,p;ayer who is probable;y white"

i like how you immediately blamed white people.

*facepalm*

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Problem is that most Americans would rather sit their fat lazy asses in their trailer parks and section 8 government housing instead of "downgrading" to a job some illegal will gladly take.

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