Definitive Explanation? - Twin Peaks: The Return (2017) Discussion

[–] Drooch (5333) 4 years ago

Any thoughts on it?

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

My thought is that it's way too long.

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[–] Drooch (5333) 4 years ago

Which parts didn’t need to be there, in your opinion?

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

I don't know. I started watching it last week but only got through the first half hour.

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[–] Drooch (5333) 4 years ago

Why didn’t you finish it?

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

Because it's too long.

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[–] Drooch (5333) 4 years ago

Too long for what?

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

Too long to watch.

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[–] Drooch (5333) 4 years ago

Well clearly not because I and countless others have watched and enjoyed it, and it is now a foundational work when discussing Twin Peaks. So, far from it being too long, it seems your attention span is too short.

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

There's no need for presumptuous judgmentalism. 👎🏻

I have a sufficient attention span to absolutely relish slow-paced, lengthy feature films such as 2001: A Space Odyssey and Lawrence of Arabia. I simply have no desire to watch some guy talk and talk for four and a half hours. I would rather spend my time on something artistic. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

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[–] Drooch (5333) 4 years ago

The fact that you describe his excellent breakdown of Twin Peaks as ‘talk and talk’ reveals that you lack the wetware to process what he’s saying - you just switch off, and that’s because your attention span is too short, not because his content is too long. The fault is with you, not him.

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

Cool story, bro. And it's "wetware."
Since Lynch has basically said that everybody should personally interpret his work for themselves, this whole thing is moot, anyway.

🙄

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[–] Drooch (5333) 4 years ago

Yeah he also says that his works start with an idea, and the video is about identifying that idea.

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[–] PinbackWiggly (365) 4 years ago

Wow, over four hours long. I guess it would take that much. I was barely holding on through season 1. Season 2, if I recall, left me for dead on wtf island. I promise to watch this video after watching the movie and season 3 (which I did not even know about).

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[–] Drooch (5333) 4 years ago

Season 2 takes a dip in quality about half way through because Lynch left the project to make Wild At Heart, but he returns for the last few episodes which are good - and the Season 2 finale is one of the greatest events in TV history, and crucial to the whole story, so don’t miss that one!

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[–] PinbackWiggly (365) 4 years ago

Thanks, I will re-watch it for sure.

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[–] motorcycledriveb (303) 4 years ago

Don't let someone else explain it to you. That's no fun. What does it mean to you?

Watch it closely and take notes of what you think/feel. I love all of the Lodge scenes and any scene with Maclachlan in it.

I think the Venus statues in the Lodge are connected to the doppelgangers of Cooper (the broken self) and the Saturn lamp is in reference to "finding Laura". Venus and the fragmented Cooper identity as broken vows, broken words. Saturn and finding Laura are about fulfilling the vow. Rings are about marriage and heaven; the rock foundation that can't be defeated.

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[–] Drooch (5333) 4 years ago

Obviously on initial viewing one draws from one’s own faculties to interpret the abstract elements.

Eventually, however, it becomes interesting to ask what the founding idea was that motivated Lynch to make the piece, and that’s what Twin Perfect’s video does a great job of identifying.

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[–] motorcycledriveb (303) 4 years ago

What was the founding idea that he identified in the video? Let's discuss.

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[–] Drooch (5333) 4 years ago

Watch it and then we’ll discuss.

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[–] motorcycledriveb (303) 4 years ago

I don't have the time right now to do so. I swear, it's like this with everyone. People only communicate by sending links. I ask someone to explain the Septuagint Bible, and they respond with a link. Can people actually write and talk?

I'll ask you this: What do you think it means to "find Laura"? What do you personally take from that? "Find Laura" is repeated twice. First in Part 2, then again in Part 18. Both times, Cooper finds Laura but then loses her. I think we all have to "find Laura", in a certain way.

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[–] Drooch (5333) 4 years ago

This entire thread is about a video, and you’ve waded into it. You want to talk about it? Watch it.

As for ‘finding Laura’, sounds like a topic for a new thread. Post one and I might comment, this thread is for discussing the video I shared.

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[–] motorcycledriveb (303) 4 years ago

Okay.

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

This.

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

Yep, Lynch's work is open to personal interpretation, rather than being spoon-fed some excessively verbose Youtube video which purports to be the "definitive explanation."

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[–] Drooch (5333) 4 years ago

Any art is open to interpretation, but Lynch says his works are founded on an idea, and the video is identifying the idea(s) behind Twin Peaks.

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[–] legnadibrom (5704) 4 years ago

oh hell no,
this hella nerd actually does an nasally impression of Lynch every f*cking time he reads a quote by him, literally every 3 minutes,
talk about annoying

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[–] Drooch (5333) 4 years ago

Yes, that aspect is deeply irritating, but it’s cancelled out by how credible and well presented his theory is.

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[–] legnadibrom (5704) 4 years ago

yeah, but 4 hours?
i caught the part about Laura Palmer laughing hysterically while light flashes off her face, signifying that she realizes she's just a TV show character, which i find to be really interesting... but i tapped out soon after

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[–] Drooch (5333) 4 years ago

It’s best digested in instalments. I listen to it in the background while doing other things.

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[–] Drooch (5333) 3 years ago

A guy on Reddit has another wild interpretation: https://www.reddit.com/r/twinpeaks/comments/fuwg8f/just_finished_all_of_twin_peaks_for_the_first_time/fmgf2nj/

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[–] Drooch (5333) 3 years ago

A collection of other convincing explanations can be found here: https://www.reddit.com/r/twinpeaks/comments/ahhgvv/all_impressive_explanation/

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[–] motorcycledriveb (303) 3 years ago

I watched part of this video a long time ago. But I'll share my thoughts/findings of Season 3.

I don't know about the other side plots of Season 3, but Cooper's story? Cooper's story is copied entirely from Jacob's story in the book of Genesis. If you read Genesis 27 through Genesis 35, you'll find the exact same story as Cooper's story in season 3.

So, Season 3 aspired to be Biblical. I think that's very cosmic and existential. I think Season 3 is an omen for the era we live in now. Things are about to get crazy. Already are crazy.

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[–] Drooch (5333) 3 years ago

What’s the vague outline of those Genesis passages?

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[–] motorcycledriveb (303) 3 years ago

Cooper is Jacob. (Both are sent to a foreign land, away from the "promised land".)
Janey-E is Leah. (Main character is given a wife he does not really love.)
Diane is Rachel. (Janey-E and Diane are sisters just like Leah and Rachel that compete for the love of Cooper/Jacob.)
The doppelganger is Esau. (The enemy is identical to the main character, except they have longer hair. Esau is the twin of Jacob and has more hair on him as Gen 27 says.)
The Mitchum brothers are Laban (With the help of the Lodge, Cooper steals casino money from the Mitchum brothers. With the help of God, Jacob steals cattle from Laban).
Cooper/Jacob is almost killed by Mitchums/Laban, but Mitchum/Laban are warned by Lodge/God in a dream to not harm Cooper/Jacob.
Freddie fighting the BOB orb is just like the angel that Jacob wrestles with.
Cooper saying this is all a dream, is just like Jacob's son Joseph being focused entirely on his dreams.

There are many more parallels, this is just a quarter of them. But you get the general idea.

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