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Great Review by Someone Who actually saw the film


18 out of 28 people found the following review useful:

Votes don't match the reviews
10/10
Author: rhhdvh from United States
30 March 2015
"I question the value of IMDb Ratings when the average rating is polarized, with a dominant percentage (43) at 10, and a significant percentage (29) at 1, with very few in between.

The actual user reviews are highly favorable, with only 3 highly unfavorable. So, there are just a lot of trash voters too lazy or inarticulate to really review the movie to give their reasons, just the thumbs up or thumbs down minimal input.

My wife and I decided to go see what it was all about, especially with a couple of former "A" list actors involved.

The divided vote was reflected by the content's portrayal of real life; how the stories of 12 people converge one night. The perspective is of how life intertwines, good and evil, comedy and tragedy. For us it evoked a lot of emotions, as we had several parallel stores in our lives. Broken relationships, disease, death, depression, violence, the gamut of human condition that have us questioning God.

Some of the characters had a common guiding principle in their lives, others only their own benefit. Still, life went on and paths crossed changing some character's opinions based on actual experiences.

For us the aggressive plot moved along at a quick pace, the character development was a but sketchy because of the 12 stories, but in the end it all fit together. Lots of tears, more of joy than sadness.

From our perspective it was very well done for a low budget Christian movie, obviously appealing to those who believe, and perhaps graphic and life like enough to set an example for the critics when they come to a life bridge to cross."

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1467 IMDb users have given a weighted average vote of 5.5 / 10

Demographic breakdowns are shown below.

Votes Percentage Rating
640 43.6% 10
129 8.8% 9
117 8.0% 8
57 3.9% 7
33 2.2% 6
37 2.5% 5
13 0.9% 4
23 1.6% 3
28 1.9% 2
390 26.6% 1
Arithmetic mean = 6.7. Median = 9

I think this is a pretty good indication that out of 1,467 votes, the overwhelming majority of Christians liked the film, and the atheists hated it. lol

Same story with 'God's Not Dead'.

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Wonder why IMDB users gave it a lower rating than Rotten Tomatoes users. ;P

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I actually just got a chance to see it. I didn't like it, but, unlike with God's Not Dead, I can actually understand why someone could enjoy this. Unlike God's Not Dead, which was essentially a cartoon, the characters, while being people I don't care about at all, at least fit the film well and suit the tone outstandingly well.

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You're the cartoon. Maybe you should avoid pro-Christian films and stop ranting over them.

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You're the cartoon.

Smooth rebuttal, friend.

Why should I avoid something that looks like it could be good? What makes you think that I am somehow against pro-Christian films?
I was not ranting about anything. Far from it. I was saying that, despite the fact that I didn't care for this film, I could see why people could enjoy it.

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Why should I avoid something that looks like it could be good?


Because you knew perfectly well what this film was about before seeing it. Trailer and board comments made the pro-Christian theme clear, and no crowds of people are gathering somewhere complaining about the production or story line. Grow up.

What makes you think that I am somehow against pro-Christian films?


By virtue of the fact that real Christians aren't complaining about it. Get it?

I could see why people could enjoy it.


Then outline your 'vision' and elaborate, assuming you could see why people enjoy it. And spare me the "primitive minds" speech.


Once again...the review:

"From our perspective it was very well done for a low budget Christian movie, obviously appealing to those who believe, and perhaps graphic and life like enough to set an example for the critics when they come to a life bridge to cross."

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Because you knew perfectly well what this film was about before seeing it. Trailer and board comments made the pro-Christian theme clear, and no crowds of people are gathering somewhere complaining about the production or story line. Grow up.

Yes, I knew exactly what I was getting into. That's exactly why I found myself strangely excited to see the film. A Crash-style film about different people at different stages of their faith is a concept that interests me. I don't know why it's hard to believe that I can somehow enjoy pro-Christian films. I recently watched a film called Stand Your Ground, another pro-Christian film, and I thought it was quite good.
As for all the people gathering and complaining about the production or storyline, I like to see films for myself instead of just assuming that either of those things are done poorly.
By virtue of the fact that real Christians aren't complaining about it. Get it?

Am I somehow not a Christian because I didn't love the film?
Then outline your 'vision' and elaborate, assuming you could see why people enjoy it.

Okay, here goes nothing:
Production-wise, the film is a big step-up from most cheaply-produced Christianity-based films. The locations look nice and the tone, which was kind of dark and moody, fit the film perfectly.
It was directed quite well. I'm not familiar with the director, but I think, if he chooses to, he could have a decent future ahead of him.
The acting was also quite good. Acting is normally something I don't expect to praise in films like this, but I actually thought that there were any noticeable weak-links.
The problems I've got with the film, that I know that not everyone will have, include the way the film's multiple stories converge. It feels extremely forced to me. I know not everyone will feel that way, but I felt that it was a bit unrealistic.
I also wasn't a fan of the characters. Most of them felt either way too cynical (like the doctor) or overly nice. Not bad characters, but not ones I enjoyed watching.
Also, the musical score was really stupid. It felt like no effort went into it. I might as well be watching a Disney Channel movie with how generic it sounded.

When I say that I can see why others will like this film, I mean that, out of the all the problems I have with it, I understand that not everyone will have them. Obviously, this means that, if they don't have these problems, they'll likely enjoy the film. Just because I didn't doesn't mean that I hated the film. I just didn't like it. I don't think that anyone who likes it is simple-minded, because there's a lot to like with the film.
Like God's Not Dead, I feel like there was wasted potential here. Whoever's in charge of greenlighting these films definitely knows how to pick good ideas for films, but I just wish it could be taken a step further and be done well.

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Yes, I knew exactly what I was getting into. That's exactly why I found myself strangely excited to see the film.


Excited to rant about a pro-Christian on IMDb is more like it. Thus the reason you watched it.

Am I somehow not a Christian because I didn't love the film?


Every atheist on IMDb boards claims to be open minded. And then they rant and complain. Patterned behavior.

Whoever's in charge of greenlighting these films definitely knows how to pick good ideas for films, but I just wish it could be taken a step further and be done well.


Then buy a script and produce a film is you're smarter than these people.

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Excited to rant about a pro-Christian on IMDb is more like it. Thus the reason you watched it.

I'm not ranting about it, though. It's not like I hated it or anything. This time, I simply didn't think it was that great. If I hated the film, maybe I would rant about it. I don't hate it though. I was merely giving my opinion on a film that, while flawed, was definitely an improvement over past efforts by this studio.
I don't think it's a terrible film. I don't know how much clearer I can be. If you like it, that's fantastic.
Every atheist on IMDb boards claims to be open minded. And then they rant and complain. Patterned behavior.

But I'm not an atheist, nor am I ranting and complaining.
Then buy a script and produce a film is you're smarter than these people.

Why should I? "I'd like to see you do better," is the laziest form of rebuttal.

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Why should I? "I'd like to see you do better," is the laziest form of rebuttal.


I've actually been taking note of chronic complainers that complain about everything they see. Get some funding and show us how its done.

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When you go to a restaurant and get a meal that you don't care for, you don't hear the chef say, "Do better."

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Every atheist on IMDb boards claims to be open minded. And then they rant and complain. Patterned behavior.


You're either a terrible troll, or you're one of the saddest individuals I've ever encountered online.

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Well, from his point-of-view, if you are a Christian watching a Christian-themed film, you shouldn't care that a movie isn't good. You should just enjoy it anyway. That's pretty sad to me.

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Yeah, I quite liked the movie Sid and Nancy, but I don't much care for The Sex Pistols. Should I in order to like or dislike or comment on that movie (in a forum where people go to leave comments, no less)? Similarly with The Doors. I dig some of their music, didn't care for the film. Didn't feel the need to defend it in such a way as to tell those who liked it that they were close-minded or that they don't get the music or somehow aren't music lovers because their taste is so audacious as to think The Doors suck.

As for close-minded atheists, I am the latter, not the former by any stretch. Close-minded people (atheists or otherwise), I would think, would blindly praise something because it caters to their faith and would likely steer clear of a film that pandered to another religious view, no matter how well-made the film. How well would Allah's Not Dead or L. Ron Hubbard's Not Dead sit with Christians?

As for close-minded atheists, you should head on over to the thread for The Unbelievers and watch the atheists, many of whom are huge fans of the film's subjects, bash the horribly made film, one member who even created a thread to apologize on behalf of atheists because it was so poorly made. They didn't feel the need to like it JUST because it featured two prominent atheists as its subjects. What I did see, however, were many religious folks decrying the film because they claim that Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss (PhD scientists in their respective fields, both of them peer-reviewed and published) are wrong about evolution and cosmology. Some of the posts were highly insulting to science, scientists, and education in general, and anyone who champions for anti-education or anti-intellectualism, in my opinion, deserves to be ridiculed back to the age of un-enlightenment from whence they came. And that's not an attack on anyone's personal beliefs. That's a criticism of non-scientists, non-scientific people telling people who have dedicated their lives to peer-reviewed research that they are wrong and that all their hard work and research is based on something that is "just a theory."

God's Not Dead, for instance, or that film with Eric Estrada where the newly formed Christian club gets bullied by the secularists, were insults because they may have made Christians who might be considering college think that it's a waste of time because the anti-Christian snobs running the place will insult them and bully them and fail them for their beliefs. They may especially believe this when they see the flocks of people, loved ones in many cases, cheering for such garbage and somehow finding it to be realistic and inspiring when it does nothing but promote ignorance. Anyone who attempts to make people feel unwelcome to criticize, even ridicule garbage like God's Not Dead or even this film, are dishonest and hypocritical because responding to an atheist, even to passively aggressively assure them that their tortured souls are being prayed for to the deity that they don't believe in (and often find repulsive), is quite a bit more insulting than someone commenting on a crappy film that they didn't like. Not saying that this particular thread contained any of that, but it's quite common.

I thought this film looked alright. I liked a movie called Bella that many people called propagandist garbage (many of whom were Christian). The acting was good, the story a bit darker and more adult-themed, as this one appears to be. However, if it cannot stand on its own merits or has bad acting or writing, there's no reason that anyone, atheist or otherwise, should feel that they don't belong in this forum simply because it's a Christian movie for Christians and should only be discussed and praised (not criticized, of course) by Christians. That is actually a perfect example of close-mindedness, yet the atheist, who usually welcomes a good debate, is accused of being narrow-minded. Skepticism, a trait which led many atheists to their choice, requires a very, very open mind. Not believing in someone's god of choice does not make a person close-minded but rather unsatisfied as to the evidence of that god (or any other). Would any Muslim who claims to have iron-clad, sufficient evidence of Allah's existence be taken seriously by any Christian? Would said Muslim be welcomed to give speeches in Christian churches and present his/her evidence to children of Christians? I'll assume pretty fairly that the answer is no in most cases. But isn't that what being open-minded is about? Atheists have listened to that Muslim, to that Hindu, to that Christian, and never found their evidence to be nearly compelling enough to hinge a belief on. Until actual evidence, as we have come to understand and accept the word, is presented, skepticism should be the default position of anyone who claims to be open-minded, and that includes skepticism within one's own religion, not just that of others.

And I'm not the guy who "won't go after Muslims because he's afraid" as I've heard said many times before. Here's the thing: Muslims are not on the news whining about persecution because someone complained about a public nativity scene. Muslims do not usually make headlines because there is a War On Christmas. Muslims do not go door to door bothering me with "the truth" or "the good news" (which is that Jesus is coming to take them away soon and leave behind those who do not believe to suffer on earth and then in hell...great news, that). There isn't a mosque on every other street corner where flocks of children are lied to about the laws of nature and the conditions of morality (though Islam is also wrong about these things, they are fewer, here in the States anyhow). I'm not defending Islam because it's just as full of BS, as is every other religion, in my opinion. However, I would defend a Muslim's right to be such just as much as a Christian's right to be a Christian, not matter how horrible or unfair the news media makes either side out to be (though Christians don't tend to have a problem there, another reason atheists tend not to criticize Islam so much...the Christians in the news media do it for them, a la Hannity, O'Reilly, Beck, etc.).

This movie can suck, and Christianity can still be your religion of choice. That's quite alright. Don't be offended by atheists or even other Christians who think it sucks, as I'm sure there will be plenty because, Christian or not, there are people who are honest in their own opinions. There are trolls who come here to pick fights, there are Christian trolls who do the same. The best way to avoid them is not respond, especially if your response sounds as though you're offended and angered by them. You're giving them what they want. Do not feed the trolls if you are easily offended or find the need to defend a poorly-made movie that represents your religion. It makes you look weak and vulnerable of mind, and to anyone looking to obliterate a belief system into obscurity, that's exactly the spot to hit. Always remember this: no matter where you go, what you call faith, others will call a fairy tale. What you call an attack, others will call a persecution complex, and what you call a good movie, others will say is a bunch of pandering $hit. Just be prepared to defend your opinion without coming off as though it were fact.

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Similarly with The Doors. I dig some of their music, didn't care for the film.


Wow...that film was great.

You're weird.

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Actually, let me rephrase. The Doors was good as a psychedelic head trip, but being called The Doors, it should have given near-equal screen time to...The Doors. Yes, I kinda liked the mythologized Morrison take with Oliver Stone's first foray into the trippy storytelling and editing (which he would do again in Natural Born Killers and U-Turn), but perhaps a simple title change to The Lizard King would have made more sense, as Val Kilmer (who did perform wonderfully, won't argue that at all) was in nearly every frame from beginning to end.

Yes, it can be argued that Jim Morrison was The Doors and the only one who fans really gave much a crap about, but the others were still successful after Morrison's death (which is where the movie ends, not where the band ended).

So I suppose that, as a near-fictional movie (according to the band), The Doors was good. As a biopic of the band, which I expected from the guy whose depiction of Nam was considered spot-on by many...well, it came off as kinda Morrisentric (I think I just made that up), but I suppose that could be argued as well, as Morrison's ego would have put him in the vast majority of the spotlight had he lived to be a creative consultant.

Likewise, if there were a film about The Beatles that featured John Lennon in every scene and the movie ends when he is killed, it should be titled The Walrus or Imagine or some other such uninspired nonsense, but calling it The Beatles would suggest that the rest of the band went on to much success post breakup and even post-Lennon.

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You should just enjoy it anyway. That's pretty sad to me.


Now you're worry about what's right for me to watch? I thought only Republicans want to intrude on people's personal lives and govern tastes in what we all watch.

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No, I'm saying that you think that, if you're a Christian, you should automatically enjoy Christian-based films regardless of their quality.

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Sorry, but I just don't think any of these Christian film are all that bad. No different than a Hallmark Channel, made for TV movie.

Granted, none of these films are Emmy material.

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Okay, fair enough. Because you implied that I was an atheist because I didn't like this movie, you sort of gave that impression, but, if you actually like the film, more power to you. My bad.

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Exactly, they are like Hallmark movies and are not good enough to be released in theaters. Hallmark movies are shown on a specific channel for people who like such things.

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