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You Know What Pisses Me Off


They keep you hanging in the end with a cliff hanger about "mum" and then it finally comes on and she doesn't show up until the last seconds and then - I hear "Coming in 2 weeks" WTF. The new season started already and they are going to miss a week for what now>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hate Hollywood.

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Well, the shows were scheduled before the presidential debates. The NFL was not happy either.





Exaggerate the essential, leave the obvious vague. —Vincent Van Gogh

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The Presidential Debates. I completely forgot about that. Thank you.

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Yeah, it's not good for a show that's just come back from hiatus to then immediately have another break. People get confused, forget, etc.

I swear, on a somewhat related note, somebody needs to come up with some kind of scientific system about how to schedule programming. I swear it's just whoever's in charge making decisions will-nilly and sometimes that means really good shows get lost in the shuffle and never find an audience. :(





Exaggerate the essential, leave the obvious vague. —Vincent Van Gogh

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At least in my country, if there are important political debates (let's say Presidential or Parliamentarian), it is usually aired only on one national (state) television channel (owned by the state). All of the other channels do not air any debates, but carry on with their specific programming.

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They kind of have to do it that way because they know most people won't watch otherwise. Just like everyone here would all be watching Lucifer. Voter participation is not great in this country so running the debates on every channel forces people to get a little informed.

Also, there are laws about equal air time for candidates and this way the networks fulfill their obligations.






Exaggerate the essential, leave the obvious vague. —Vincent Van Gogh

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Its the presidential debates. I asked that question too. Forgot they were on

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Personally I blame Trump, he saw the gag reel took offense and got the debate scheduled on a Lucifer night as revenge.

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It won't win him any votes, that's for sure.

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Unfortunately he most likely has enough people voting for him so I'm sure it doesn't matter to him. I watched a jaywalking segment (I forget what it was on) and people said they would vote for Trump even if he murdered someone. I'd like to think that it was staged though but based on how Trump supporters tend to sound I wouldn't be surprised.


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Wow that says a lot about Trump voters and that's scary. Gotta wonder how many of the 'million moms' are voting for trump and yet get so bent out of shape over a fictional character on a tv show.

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You know that "One Million Moms" is a scam, right? It's just a racist, misogynist, homophobic, father-son duo who created "The American Family Association" and a "Mom" website to push their agenda and pretend they have a lot of support. They really can't muster enough numbers to make much of an impact but they get media attention because it sounds so sensational. One Million Moms! Talk about hypocritical and deceptive. Too bad we don't protest people and organizations like that more. Like how is Westborough Baptist Church even still in business (and it IS a business) with all of the hate speech they spew and violence they promote? It's supposed to be a church, for crying out loud!









Exaggerate the essential, leave the obvious vague. —Vincent Van Gogh

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They should of just given Gotham the night off or scheduled everything earlier.

“imperfection is an altogether attainable human goal,” and “love is acceptance of imperfections.

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It is the US Presidential debates. So cancel the show in the US, not the rest of the world.

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Unfortunately, television doesn't work that way.

Hey, you're lucky you're getting it at the same time we are. We always have to wait forever to get British shows, the few we actually get.



Exaggerate the essential, leave the obvious vague. —Vincent Van Gogh

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Oh I KNEW she wasn't coming until the end of the episode.

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It really sucks for us outside of the US who don't give a shcyte about their politics, but hey at least we're not the ones looking at Trump as president.

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It really sucks for us outside of the US who don't give a shcyte about their politics, but hey at least we're not the ones looking at Trump as president.


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Many of us, and I truly hope it's actually MOST of us, don't get Trump either. It's like the fringe elements have hijacked our politics somehow. Usually I can understand the undecided voters who truly want to study the candidates but this year it's just too obvious, it's the nutjob vs. sane person. Seriously, how hard can it be? Democrat or Republican doesn't even matter, we're talking mental capacity here.

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Well, we've also never selected a female for president; according to our tallies, that's another thing people are hissing about here, and not for any other reason but that.

Honestly, most of us aren't too keen about her either.. Bernie at least struck a cord as being honest - which is what we want - but those candidates need to be heard earlier on - so as to get them out there. I do not feel they did that properly w/Bernie. Hillary kinda picked that up as she's been in the midst for a WHILE to say the least! ..to say the least..!

Honestly, the debates should just be over... they drag out all this for their own media cycle... we've been endlessly hearing about the 2016 election since 2012! That's just depraved... I wouldn't be surprised if we could care less because* of this never ending media cycle they put us through.. it's was just one wacko after another, really. Some kind of weird circus show - reality style with just as many adolescent zingers about only THE most important of issues affecting us...

So just play Lucifer, I would say.

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And racist vs non-racist.

To be honest, it's kind of freaked me out...that people, even in my own network of neighbors, family and friends, can be okay with Trump. I do not believe you can support that guy and not be racist...or all of the other "ists" he is. It's sobering to me. I mean, when a few of my circle voted for Bush the first and second times, I was disappointed, but I didn't literally question them as human beings. With Trump, that's what's happening, I'm questioning their character. And I don't think I'll ever really get over it. To give a psycho the nuclear keys and justify it because of their own selfish wants, I just can't handle it. Also, I'm having trouble with anyone who refuses to vote for Hillary because they were Bernie supporters. If those people get Trump elected by default, I don't think I'll ever feel the same about them either.

First time in my life I've felt this way, but it's the first time we've had such an extreme and dangerous candidate for President. I'm not saying others haven't been dangerous, but people were duped by them. Trump is overt, he lets everyone know exactly what kind of despicable person he is, and still they're okay with it? That's a scary thing.







Exaggerate the essential, leave the obvious vague. —Vincent Van Gogh

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Thanks... *bitter now*...

However, didn't some oogly Trump look-alike http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/04/25/10/337B0C4800000578-0-image-a-50_1461577865946.jpg just manage to carry forth thy Breexit?? This thing is spreading... ugh

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And yet you must have watched it as well in order to form such a strong opinion. Enjoy your 10 hour stay in the deep end of the pool.

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and you accuse me of being rude?

lol


You're an animal Barb

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Nice guess, retard.
I'm sure your reading comprehension isn't up to taking on my challenge of looking at the "original", or you would've commented on that, you lame.
I watched enough to see that Lucifer is a creepy "child molester" type, NOT the badass from the comic, that is led by his incredible devious schemes, mechanations, & clever use of raw power.. as opposed to a horny creepy weirdo pervy guy that's not interesting or even more than two dimensional. I saw his his badass powerful & horrifically deformed bodyguard Mazikeen (oh, I'm sorry... you call her "Maze", right?? Lol) is instead a weak female stripper/bartender type, etc, etc.
It's embarrassing as a premise and as a show.
The only thing worse?????
There are actually pathetic people that eat this worthless garbage up... people that are NOT angry about the waste of an amazing character, that just eat the slop in their trough happily.
Please snort a six foot line of Ajax. Do the world a favor.

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Maybe if you wrote in comprehensive sentences and backed up your opinions with specific criticism of something, you could be taken more seriously. Instead reading your rambling, disjointed posts are more like trying to follow Trump's train of thought. Too painful to try to make sense of.

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But, hey, that gave me such a chuckle. I honestly hope he writes more. So freaking entertaining!





Exaggerate the essential, leave the obvious vague. —Vincent Van Gogh

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It's funny how every single one of us said we don't like trump and then he goes on to tell us we're Trump lovers. What a douche. I'm ten times smarter than this twerp. We all are. I mean all our posts are infinitely more understandable. But fanboys always take comics so damned seriously. Like it's the end of the world. And hey good shows are still being made (other than Lucifer so stick it) and I loved Constantine and was really bummed it was cancelled. It deserved to go further. I watch schyte this idiot wouldn't understand. He thinks he's so smart, but all he watches is comic book shows and all he reads (actually he only looks at pictures) is comic books. Guaranteed he hasn't read anything by Stephen Hawking or Carl Sagan. Guess what? i have. I own many books on Quantum science and other scientific areas and that's just for fun. GUARANTEED he's never read anything by Chekov or Dostoyevsky. I have a bookshelf full of these books. Fwck this twerp. He doesn't know anything.

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Lol, ok- I'll bite.
I'll take a genuine stab at it...
I doubt I'll get anywhere with you if me making VERY clear statements describing how Mazikeen for example is a strong, ferocious, warrior of a bodyguard, w/ a horrific disfigured face in the source material, yet is a sexy, bland, stripper/bartender stereotype female in the show and that saddens and annoys me somehow comes off to you as "difficult to understand" or "incomplete sentences" or whatever your fictional problem was... but here goes nothing:
Ok... 1st- some background; the character of Lucifer Morningstar was created by author, Neil Gaiman. He is one of the most well known, admired, and prolific writers of this modern era. I'd say he's up there with J.K. Rowling and Stephen King. He has won some prestigious awards and medals, including: the Hugo, Nebula, and Bram Stoker awards.. and the Newberry and Carnegie medals (setting a record of the only author to ever win both medals for the same work). You don't seem like the "reading type", so I'm probably losing you...
However, one of his books became Phil Knight's (the Nike founder) Laika film company's 1st foray into stop motion with "Coraline", which was well received. Also, his fantasy novel, "Stardust" became a film in 2007, starring Claire Danes, Michelle Pfeiffer, and Robert DeNiro.
At any rate.... I would hope that we (if on nothing else) could agree that he is an author of quite some pedigree. In his most revered work: the comic book "Sandman" (widely recognized as the best and most successful American adult comic book, of all time), he created the character. Lucifer was SO interesting and such a fantastic spin on the "devil", that everyone cried for more!
The mantle was picked up by a superlatively creative Brit, by the name of Mike Carey.
Almost unbelievably, he spun a tale that was EXACTLY the same length of Gaiman's original seminal masterpiece. It was stellar. Seventy-five issues, at one per month, made this a 6+ year labor of love. It was so incredibly clever, the way small characters later play larger roles, how everything connected together so fluidly. It was a joy to read.
Understandably, I was ECSTATIC that such a phenomenal character was getting a TV series!!!!
Oooooh, what storyline?? Him abandoning hell? Losing his wings? His battles with Fenris, eater of worlds? His reluctance to do a favor for Heaven, that he simply MUST accept, because God lets him "name his price?". Honestly, I didn't care. They are ALL good!!!! WHAT A CHARACTER!!!! Strong. Savage. Impossibly clever. Old as time... sees the big picture. Humans are tools to manipulate in his brilliant schemes and mechanations. Super fun character!
Soooooooo...... nothing even REMOTELY like the character in the show. The show's Lucifer is a "frat boy", somehow being alive for eons hasn't made him clever or caught up in grand schemes. Nope. He (like a frat boy... but with an uber "creeper" vibe), he thinks only with his penis, and in no way seems like a powerful angel. Simply a creepy perv. Of the three or four episodes I shuddered through, hoping it would get better- I only saw lame clip after lame clip of BEYOND cheesy "quips" and one-liners. Usually accentuated with weird little moans in his speech, and not even like in clever or classy or appropriate times. Just rando stuff like if a female would say like: "we need to get down to business", his response might be: "oooooooooooh, *slow moaning of word in creepy manner, raise of eyebrows in suggestive manner*, we could DEFINITELY get down to business.... the business of sleeping together. Mmmmmmmmmm *one last creepy moan-word*.
Ummm. WTF??????!!!!!
This is not MY Lucifer. This is not THE Lucifer.
This is painful to hear and/or watch. Drivel.
I've never watched Dawson's Creek, but apparently it was NOT the experience this writer needed to bring an amazing character like Lucifer from comic to television!
This show is really, really, really, really, really bad.
I was honestly worried that I was losing my mind when I saw it had decent ratings on IMDb. However, when I clicked the 1st critic review (New York Times - http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/01/25/arts/television/review-on-lucifer-a-fox-drama-the-devil-tries-to-fit-in.html), my faith was restored!
Seems like those with actual critical thinking skills similarly despised this garbage... they didn't even need something epic to compare it to, to hate it!
It's only a huge group of sad, sad sacks that apparently have no ability to even conceive of anything better than this absolute horrendous garbage that are eating it up. It does make me sad... sad that these type of TERRIBLE shows can proliferate, because nobody demands quality. The cattle are satisfied. They chew this nasty cud, ignorantly and happily.

I hope this helps.

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Most people here know about Neil Gaiman and some of us are well versed in his graphic novels and literary works. As well as Mike Carey's adaptation of Lucifer, and now Holly Black's.

Interestingly, Neil is a huge supporter of the show. He gets it, just like Mike Carey gets it, as stated in interviews.

It's too bad that you are blinded to the quality that's actually in this show because your expectations are not being met.

Regardless, it doesn't really matter. You're not going to change the opinions of the 7 million people, as well as the other writers and industry people who think it's a really well-done show, by ranting, belittling others and trying to show off your superior taste in comics. It just doesn't work that way, so I'm not really sure what you get out of it. Venting, I guess?

Also not sure what the Dawson's Creek problem is. Tom Kapinos also wrote Californication. Television writers write for all kinds of genres. And as teen genres go, Dawson's Creek was pretty well done. And it doesn't really matter because they're two totally different animals.

I could go on about how females are represented in this show as well, but it's already been discussed. You can look for it if you really want to hear another point of view on that topic.

Anyway, I appreciate you attempt at supporting your position and the slightly less hostile tone. Progress, I guess.





Exaggerate the essential, leave the obvious vague. —Vincent Van Gogh

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Oh also, Tom K was the creator of the concept. He only wrote the pilot. The Lucifer writers group take turns sharing writing credits on the rest of the episodes.

As for reviews. Those have changed considerably since those first ones that came out. The early reviewers succumbed to the hipster law of condescension before actually watching or understanding what the show was about. So there are many positive reviews and comic book podcasters that are fully onboard now. You might want to check them out.








Exaggerate the essential, leave the obvious vague. —Vincent Van Gogh

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I'm surprised he never won an award for his scripts. I think The Doctor's Wife is one of my very favorite Doctor Who episodes.

I can understand your disappointment, but every beloved "source material" of mine that's been made into a movie or tv show, completely messes it up. Wait, I lie. Catch 22 and Slaughterhouse 5 are nearly perfect. But that was a long time ago. i think there is a (mis)conception now, that people don't want to see what they've read, or that people who haven't read it won't "get" it.

Railing against us, the fans of this show, will not change things. You must take it up with the network executives.

And Constantine wasn't that close to the source, either. It didn't help that the decision was made to show the episodes out of order, either. So, Constantine lost the comics' fans and the regular viewers that just got lost. Pity.

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I appreciate the comments.
I must disagree with Constantine!
After the garbage film, the show was polar opposite... he was Brit; he was a bastard... didn't drive or use guns.
All four of those were messed up in the movie.
I thought it was a SPLENDID adaptation... very true to roots.

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I *liked* Constantine. But the comments from the comic readers....and I have to tell you, I'm almost embarrassed to write this....they were ******furious****** that he wasn't allowed to smoke on network tv. Even when a thread had nothing to do with that missing aspect from the comics, someone would bring it up.

So, much better than the movie, but still failed to satisfy a loud and vocal portion of the comic book readers.

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I somewhat understand your criticism. Maybe it helps that I'm not into comics but that certainly doesn't mean that I'm part of "cattle" I know exactly what I'm watching. This isnt Wishbone Magic School Bus or (if you want to use an adult show) Family Guy.

I know that Lucifer is supposed to be this extremely ruthless guy who doesn't care about humanity at all but that's just not how I see him (or wish to at least because I'm more pessimistic) I don't like nicey nice characters either though and I see Lucifer as someone who has layers (like Dr. House) and that's what Tom Ellis is demonstrating to me. He's not really evil but he's not angelic either. He certainly could be evil if he wanted to but he just doesn't want to be...at least not to the innocent ones.
Yes he is dirty in this but not seeing the problem with that. I know this is supposed to be based on the comic (so the comic might not have that I'm guessing) but it appears to be also going off the less outlandish parts of biblical mythology and that would make sense as that is Lucifer's first origin. In the bible, premarital sex is a sin so it would stand to reason that Lucifer would be into that. Also sex is just one aspect. Lucifer so far hasn't killed anyone but he HAS done some significant damage. I would say throwing a guy out of a window the way he did was powerful. He could kill someone if he wanted to but the thing is he doesn't have to. All he has to do is look at them with red eyes and they're a complete puddle (which the red eyes do look cheesy but it would be difficult to make eyes in a live action series that would look scary enough but I can imagine they look a lot different to the person than to us the viewers) so I would say that's powerful and he was certainly not thinking with his other head when he scared that bully kid (nor was he when he saved Chloe's daughter because he had already seen Chloe naked and refused) How many creatures can make someone feel vulnerable just with their eyes? I know this seems like more of a meer party trick but the fact that he can get people to say their biggest desire no matter who they are shows that Lucifer can manipulate people how he wants to. Also there is no challenge to killing someone. They'd just get sent to hell and he is not in hell on here so why would that be any fun for him? He has tortured the ones who deserved it on this series.
Yes in the latest episodes he has been vulnerable but you wouldn't expect the devil to be vulnerable by anything and that is the appeal for the viewers. A lot of us find it intriguing that a certain woman can make the devil vulnerable so it adds an unpredictable nature. There must be something special about her that would do that and am excited to find what that is.
Superman had a weakness. Even some of the Greek gods in mythology had significant flaws so why can't Lucifer have a weakness?


As far as Mazikeen, I don't see bland but we will agree to disagree. I can see why you would say she is "sexy" and it is probably a cheap shot to appeal to viewers but it doesn't have to be that way. I think sexy can be a representation of a ferocious being because it can hypnotize the men she is going to attack and the other women can feel threatened by her appearance.




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I know that Lucifer is supposed to be this extremely ruthless guy who doesn't care about humanity at all...


Lucifer/Satan from the Christian Bible is the essence of all evil and total chaos. Not some..."guy". Only comic book idiots would be interested in exploring the 'softer side of Satan'.

but that's just not how I see him (or wish to at least because I'm more pessimistic)


or more 'atheistic' perhaps was the word you were looking for?

I don't like nicey nice characters either though and I see Lucifer as someone who has layers (like Dr. House) and that's what Tom Ellis is demonstrating to me.


Which is kind of like saying: 'I'd like to explore the various shades of grey regarding child molestation.' Some people see Lucifer as the essence of evil. They just haven't bothered to show up on this message board in large numbers.


How many creatures can make someone feel vulnerable just with their eyes?


A cougar watching a jogger go by on the road.

Even some of the Greek gods in mythology had significant flaws so why can't Lucifer have a weakness?


Newsflash: a very large percentage of people in America believe in God and support the Bible, which is why many people see this show as stupid on an epic level. I personally just see it as junk food for the brain.

I think sexy can be a representation of a ferocious being because it can hypnotize the men she is going to attack and the other women can feel threatened by her appearance.


Women in these cheesecake roles aren't a threat except to their own careers. They're just seen as television's version of pole dancers. Can't get an honest job? hello?

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or more 'atheistic' perhaps was the word you were looking for?

Not in this sense. I was just saying I can't necessarily believe my envision because of my extreme pessimistic side so that's just how I'd wish to see him.


Newsflash: a very large percentage of people in America believe in God and support the Bible, which is why many people see this show as stupid on an epic level.

Right but from what I see most of the bible is essentially ancient toilet paper. It's not even junk food for the brain to me it's just plain junk that has no entertainment value (but I have researched specific passages to be informed enough to gain perspective). Of course I am an admirer of a musician who used to be devout so I have no problem with religious people but the concept has a lot of holes so I'm not worried about the zealots which is the only people who would find this show to be "stupid on an epic level" to the point they would be offended.
Some things make sense but a lot of it is utter tripe at best inhuman at worst (for example in the bible the punishment for rapists is to marry the one they raped) so while those people see Lucifer as the essence of evil I see their representation of god as the bad guy and Lucifer as the good (but not too good) guy. Of course I am strictly talking about their representation as I would like to envision neither one as a bad guy if they were real beings.







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from what I see most of the bible is essentially ancient toilet paper.


Ouch. I can't say I'm a Christian or worthy of being called one, but even that was painful to read. And the board was previously discussing why some evangelicals took offense? lol

I'm not worried about the zealots which is the only people who would find this show to be "stupid on an epic level" to the point they would be offended.


Not that it's extremely important in context to this viewpoint exchange here, but the "zealots" are getting dangerously close to giving Trump a victory. Just an observation: Some zealots are of the opinion that networks like Fox entertainment should have their broadcasting licenses yanked. And Trump hates the media with a passion. Just thought I'd toss that out there as a side bar issue.

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I highly appreciate and respect this post!
I do "get it"... to you, Lucifer is kinda the equivalent of a popcorn flick.
I regret lashing out at you over MY frustration.
Please understand: I wouldn't mind a different bent w/ Lucifer, and sex bothers me not at all!!
It's his "caring" so much about petty earthly squabbles and the cheesy dialogue that killed it for me.... oh, and the "need" to spin it into a procedural cop drama. I find that insulting!

Here is my issue at it's heart... and why I found myself so aggressively irritated with you and other staunch supporters:
I absolutely LOVE the character Lucifer!
I used to chat with Mike Carey on the old Vertigo message boards, as it was being written. (what a rush!! he'd drop hints like mad).
Like w/ Constantine- when a poor adaptation is made; if it is NOT met with acclaim, you may see a much better version in time.
So.. when this came out and was NOT a good adaptation (though I understand, on its own- you like it: I'm trying to stay away from insults), I hoped everyone would hate it and I'd see the REAL Lucifer in a few years!!!
As it stands, because rakish buddy cop Lucifer is "good enough"; I will likely NEVER see the version of Lucifer I desire to see.
And THAT is the source of my angst!!!
I guess I just wish so much you all could experience the character as I have.... one of the deepest, most interesting, multilayered antiheros of all time.
I'm at issue 9 of the new continuation of the story- which begins with him teaming up with Raphael, the cast down angel, to find God's murderer.
Yup. God's dead! Issue #1. It's VERY exciting and I'm trying to just find comfort in that.
Apologies again for making you the brunt of my personal "vendetta" against this show, lol.
Cheers.

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I think you're wrong. I think the popularity of this character and the fact the show didn't get pushed off tv despite all the protests, shows that interest in the character is growing. And I wouldn't be at all surprised if we don't get more Lucifer rather than less.

The Devil's an archetype and Gaiman/Carey's version of a different Lucifer is iconic, and because of that, there will be many adaptations of his story (just like vampires) based on this new version of the devil. Once an idea is accepted into the mainstream it becomes more prevalent. That's why the fundamentalists are freaking out. They think it will make people sympathize with evil even though that was never the intention with this character. But the floodgates have been opened with this show and I'd bet money that you will be seeing more sympathetic devil characters on your screen from here on out. It's a very compelling notion, that the devil is misunderstood, or that his image has been bastardized and that he has been villified for every evil in the book, when all that really happened was he had a disagreement with his father about free will.

It's easy to see why Satan worship sprang up because of the distorted version of the devil that was preached to people. If people had just been more true to the Satan(s) described in the bible instead of creating this demon monster, I doubt Satanism would have ever been born. But that's what happens when extremism occurs. The other extreme is created as well.









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I think the popularity of this character and the fact the show didn't get pushed off tv despite all the protests, shows that interest in the character is growing. And I wouldn't be at all surprised if we don't get more Lucifer rather than less.



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Yahoo.com weighs in:

"The most obnoxious show of the new year thus far, Lucifer traduces the character created by Neil Gaiman and developed by writer Mike Carey in the Lucifer comic-book series. The drama, premiering Monday on Fox, turns him into a smug twerp who delights in humiliating many perfectly nice, ordinary people as well as the bad guys he catches as an aide to a cop.

The opening scene, traditionally designed to introduce us to the main character and the tone of the show, does its job well. Lucifer Morningstar, played by Tom Ellis complete with fashionable stubble and snooty British accent, is a fallen angel tooling around Los Angeles in sporty car. He gets pulled over for speeding and we get a taste of Lucifer’s special power: he can get people to reveal their “forbidden desires.” In this case, he manipulates an honest cop just doing his job to look as though he’s a dope who’s eager to take a bribe from our supposed hero. Yeah, that really makes me really want to root for this guy as our protagonist.

Things get immediately worse. Lucifer teams up with a cop played by Lauren German to solve a murder because… I don’t know, I guess Lucifer has nothing better to do than try and fit into the mold of Fox’s quirky-crime-solvers-paired-together shows (Bones, Sleepy Hollow, Lie To Me, Fringe, etc.). German’s Det. Chloe Decker has her own unique (non-)power: she’s immune to Lucifer’s truth-eliciting powers.

Throughout, the dialogue is studded with lines that are variations on things you’ve heard and read in hundreds of devil-or-angel-on-Earth TV shows, movies, and books. Lucifer actually says, “The devil made you do it.” And when a priest crosses himself, Lucifer says sarcastically, “Yeah, good luck with that, Father, and while you’re at it, say ‘Hi’ for me.”

D.B. Woodside appears a couple of times as a fellow-devil who has to talk in a low, menacing voice at all times. I’ll bet he, like the rest of us, didn’t have to hang around listening to this devilish bore."

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While I appreciate the encouraging words...

Lol, I don't want "another" Lucifer character damnit!! =)
I want the EXACT one I fell in love with.... brought to the small screen.

So far- the most "pure" adaptation of a comic I've ever seen was Sin City.
Holy crap! If I saw a Lucifer movie/show that true to roots, I'd nerdgasm.

I guess the best I can hope for is that this has another decent season... then begins to wane- but having made enough of a stir that it is looked at hard in making a true adaptation.

As far as D.C. goes; I think their "kiddie" shoes are crap (flash, arrow, etc.), but when they get "gritty", they are AMAZE (Gotham, Constantine).
I want to see a dark version of Lucifer.

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But my point is, the first screen depiction of Frankenstein's monster has adapted over time as the character captured audience's imagination. Dracula has changed as well. For better and worse depending on the depiction.

And the same will happen with Lucifer. Until eventually, you'll probably see some version close to your idea of perfection.

Although, the critics didn't agree with your assessment of the ones you think were done well. Constantine was not well received, and Gotham has mixed reviews at best. I watched the first season of Gotham and it just got way too repetitive and boring for me, although the visuals are great. But it's too one note, too action based, imo. Others love it, I'm sure. Also, Gotham is a new concept, not based on one single comic, so it's not exactly a fair comparison. I didn't watch Constantine. Wish I had but I'm not going to set myself up for disappointment now that it was cancelled.

I'm a huge fan of the Lucifer and Sandman comics, and I'm a huge fan of the show. I'd like to see that version, too, although realistically, a carbon copy is never going to happen. That's not creative or fun and anybody who would agree to do such a thing wouldn't have a creative bone in their body. So if it's going to be done by someone talented, then it's going to have at least some differences. You just have to stop getting hung up on the superficial.

Even Mike Carey applauded the evolution of the Lucifer character. He said he appreciated Neil's support of the new direction he took Lucifer when he took over the reins, and he's now just as supportive of both Holly Black and the show's writers. He talked about how that's the nature of the genre, that it evolves depending on who's creating it. And Neil has made it more than clear that he's a fan of the show. It's not "a story", it's the truth.

Too bad you can't see what Lucifer's own creators see. But that's okay. I just don't understand why you waste your time trying to tell us not to like what we like.












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I'm a huge fan of the Lucifer and Sandman comics, and I'm a huge fan of the show.


We hadn't noticed

Most of the support threads on the board were started by you. Guess you're on Satan's payroll?

Too bad you can't see what Lucifer's own creators see.


Dollar signs from cheap thrills?

I just don't understand why you waste your time trying to tell us not to like what we like.


I'm the same way when I see people pollute the streets with garbage, pollute the rivers and pollute minds. Force of habit I guess.

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I think I can actually kinda relate. It's basically like how I don't like anyone covering the song Time After Time. To me that song is iconic but I ignore the covers because I know that's just how I see it and I wouldn't want anyone bashing a cover that I actually like.
I'm sure people said the same thing about Dean Cain in New Adventures of Superman. He's too watered down cheesy etc... But to me he was THE Superman. When you become used to a certain version that is what you want to see so I didn't care if anyone else saw it that way though at the same time it does get old after a while when people bash on my favs (TV shows musical artists etc). It'd be one thing if it was something I enjoyed that I know doesn't really have substance (i.e. if we were talking about Scream Queens I would see your point. This is miles away from Scream Queens to me) There are going to be so many adaptations of popular comic books or mythological figures.
At least you were pretty respectful. I went through far worse a few years ago on a board and of course this is towards an actual human being but I guess since he was a "celebrity" it was okay to bash him like that. Theater snobs are far worse than comic book stans.


If you want the one that you fell in love with, maybe you can send in a screenplay to some TV execs or if that's too big you can always make a YouTube video. I know it would be a difficult task to complete esp if you're aiming for popularity but whenever I feel like something is missing/not right from a TV show I will write a fanfic or make a video montage.




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with specific criticism


Do I really need to post more YouTube links with clips from this series, Barb?

Tom Ellis plays a flakey devil who makes lame jokes, acts like a ladies man, and pretends to have morals under a tough exterior. It's so crappy, I'm sure someone at the production company found a rejected story outline sitting in a dusty box stating, 'ABC Entertainment Pilot: 1979 Season'

They went with 'Supertrain' instead.

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