I can see your point, especially if somehow this were real.
But the Lucifer of the comic was sent to Hell almost immediately after he and Michael created the universe. Even if the show doesn't tell it quite that way, his time in heaven will have been relatively short compared to his time in Hell.
So Lucifer is this person who has only really lived one extremely limited kind of life. A punisher, a ruler of the worst place in existence, he's been a job title, not an actual person. He's had no decent people around to learn from. No friends other than a loyal demon who doesn't exactly encourage heart-to-hearts. So it's kind of amazing he isn't more screwed up than he already is. On earth, he's an entirely new person, a somewhat more authentic one unencumbered by his past duties. He's trying to give up the identity that was forced upon him and become the person he always wanted to be. Which means he's relatively young, developmentally. That's why he seems so immature even though he's billions of years old.
And Chloe sees THAT person. The authentic one underneath the facade. Even though she recognizes his antics as immature, she sees past them. It's like a mother's love for her child, even when the child is misbehaving, the love is still there. And I think Lucifer is responding to that. Someone who is taking him at face value, not prejudging him as he's always been prejudged either for his work, or his "charm". I also think it's one reason he doesn't show her his devil face. He wants her to continue to see him for the man he really is/wants to be.
And in that sense, I think she's a better match for him than maybe another 10-billion-year-old being who thinks they have The Devil all figured out based on his past, rather than his present. You know?
Chloe is the one manifestation of acceptance that he needs and has never received. And he loves her for seeing him as he is, rather than who he was, even if he doesn't know it. But since she's immune to his mojo, he knows that if she does care about him, it's genuine. He also validates her, telling her she's smart and has notable instincts, etc. He really does admire her and support her and nobody's really done that for Chloe either. Not her mother, and not Dan, who both are always questioning her or wanting her to be something she's not.
So I can see why they are drawn to each other. And since this is a fantasy and not real, then time is sort of immaterial, especially when you're dealing with immortality and eternity. So their connection could be something much more significant than just this momentary time spent on earth. You never know.
I had the idea that the world’s so full of pain it must sometimes make a kind of singing. --R. Hass
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barbarawstuller
8 years ago
Great post!
I wonder how Mum is going to skew this scenario though? Mum on earth is even more immature but she does love him, at least that's what they're saying, so he'll have two very different women with unconditional materinal love. I'm not sure he'll survive. Maybe go back to hell for a break? LOL!
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centrd
8 years ago
Seriously. There's a mother's love and then there's a mother's love. lol. The Oedipal references they can exploit in this storyline are almost limitless, too. Talk about confusing for a young man. lol.
I had the idea that the world’s so full of pain it must sometimes make a kind of singing. --R. Hass
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readerf61
8 years ago
centrd: for clarity sake, I want to discuss the Lucifer from the show and not the comic; I don't know the comic. And in the show, he talks about spending thousands of years in heaven, in a happy family, until dad gets distracted with humanity. Then it goes downhill. But even then, he doesn't get sent to hell right away, it sounded like he had a bit of rebellion time in heaven, then sent to hell. Then mum sent to hell, and that did affect him--as he said, he never questioned what she did or why she was there. She didn't fight for him, so he didn't fight for her. And now on earth, in LA.
You make some good points. I'd like to think on them, but I want to be clear about which "Lucifer" I am able to discuss, not knowing the source material and that story.
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centrd
8 years ago
I know you're talking about the show and not the comic. But I don't think it really matters. Lucifer's experience of Heaven, as far as I can tell, is going to have been short compared to his time in Hell. He's been there much longer than Mom and Mom's been there a very long time. And even if they say he had some kind of family life with his angel brothers and sisters (remember, he was giving Linda a metaphor that humans could understand), it still couldn't have been very normal or healthy if his family's response was to cast him into Hell for whatever transgression he committed. The writers subtly implied in one scene that one of his crimes was giving Eve the apple, although it's not stated outright, and was done for the joke, more than anything. But clearly, his major sin was disagreeing with "dad" about free will. This is what he talks with Frank about. In the comic it's all about free will and nothing else. And that's how I read the tv Lucifer, too. But either way, it doesn't matter. Getting thrown into Hell for eternity because you questioned your father's views on predestination vs self-determination? Harsh, to say the least. No wonder he's emotionally scarred.
The other interesting thing here is that I'm not sure God intended for Lucifer to stay in Hell. (In the comic, He was trying to give Lucifer what he wanted, distance). God could easily get Lucifer back to Hell if He wanted to. If He did personally send Amendadiel to retrieve Lucifer, which I'm not yet entirely convinced He did, then I have a feeling that was more about testing Amenadiel than anything. And we don't know absolutely that God wants Lucifer to take Mom back to Hell either. It's quite possible that God wants Lucifer to have this human experience. Supposedly God knows everything that's going to happen, and this is all part of His plan, a reality that Lucifer hates, but it's still reality. That's why Father Frank was asking him, "how do you know His plan for you is finished?" So if Lucifer is here on Earth experiencing these things, his brother's betrayal, his developing emotions and feelings for Chloe, his sacrificing himself for another, and his mother's return, it is most likely all part of God's plan and is playing out exactly as He wishes it.
I had the idea that the world’s so full of pain it must sometimes make a kind of singing. --R. Hass
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readerf61
8 years ago
When we watch a tv show, no matter what the writers write and what plays out on the screen, we bring past experience and past stories with us. So, my initial response was based on things that would take too long to explain, but made some sense to me.
But I like you idea of this all being part of a long plan of god's. And perhaps, just to make me happy, Chloe will turn out to be a celestial being, but she just doesn't know it yet.
Still, in answer to you original question, I would like this to take time. Season one seemed to be dad and my two sons. Season two seems to be mum, and here comes more family (have you seen Amenadiel? What's up with those wings....and other loving family gossip). Season three or even four would be soon enough.....
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samhaincat-50015
8 years ago
I believe that Chloe's dad has been cast - perhaps in flashbacks since apparently he's dead. Who knows there might be a clue in those appearances.
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centrd
8 years ago
Yes! Lesley-Ann Brandt's real life husband is playing Chloe's dad in flashbacks!
I can't wait. We have almost no background on her relationship with her dad, and I have a feeling there's a lot more going on here than anyone knows.
I had the idea that the world’s so full of pain it must sometimes make a kind of singing. --R. Hass
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centrd
8 years ago
I'm with you. Shhh...don't let iabanon hear us, but I also hope that Chloe has some kind of celestial connection. It may have to do with Trixie, like she's special just because she's Trixie's mother, or Chloe herself may have divine blood. Who knows? But I kind of hope that there's something about her that she's completely unaware of. It's the most logical explanation for her immunity to Lucifer and her ability to make him mortal. Although, based on Lucifer not becoming mortal around her until after spending a little time with her, I'm guessing there's some kind of outside intervention going on. Because just being celestial doesn't make other celestial beings lose their immortality. It's got to be something else at work.
I've thought for a while that there might be some kind of protective spell placed on Chloe by someone who didn't like her being around the devil. Either for Chloe's own protection or Trixie's or both.
I had the idea that the world’s so full of pain it must sometimes make a kind of singing. --R. Hass
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readerf61
8 years ago
Well, if Charlie Davidson* can be a very powerful goddess, then Chloe can be anything, and I'm open to that!
*If you haven't read those books, just ignore that portion of the comment....
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centrd
8 years ago
I don't know Charlie Davidson, but that sounds interesting, to say the least.
I had the idea that the world’s so full of pain it must sometimes make a kind of singing. --R. Hass
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