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Just realized something

posted 5 years ago by horrorfan000 (2067)
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Caught the finale and realized that since Wynn and Mon-El left and reoccurring Superman has been shipped off to Argus there's not a single straight white male lead on the show.Brainy doesn't count because he's an A.I..In fact the only straight white males prominently portrayed on the show are the villains.The president,Lex,Ben Lockwood,Otis.

That's not only non inclusive but portraying all straight white male characters in one singular light feels a little racist.Or at the very least like straight white male bashing.The more i catch this show lately the more i dislike it.It doesn't care about telling stories.It just wants to be an obnoxious SJW mouthpiece.

[–] kuku (3510) 5 years ago

That's kind of the modern standard: white males play aggressive low IQ thugs, evil villains or pathetic clowns. And that's it.

Welcome to modern Hollywood.

[–] tom8 (2883) 5 years ago

Hollywood sucks these days...... only a true moron would pay money to watch the garbage they spew out.
they are also mixing politics into everything.

[–] horrorfan000 (2067) 5 years ago

I'll probably ditch the CW altogether after Supernatural ends.What was once a decent network has turned into an overly PC SJW joke.The last nail in the coffin was that laughable Batwoman trailer.What SJW assclown writes this garbage.

[–] kuku (3510) 5 years ago

There's room out of modern Hollywood: classic Hollywood (30s to 50s is amazing, same with 80s and early 90s). Asian cinema (Korea, Japan and HK) and low budget movies. Low budget horror is much less invaded by SJWs.

[–] ghostboy (652) 5 years ago

Haha, I didn't realise that. That's hilarious.

[–] fishpan (544) 5 years ago

So what though?

Considering you obviously know that Winn left last season and made it to the finale of this before you realised that there wasn't a straight WHITE male in the the starting hero line up then it says that the story this season actually worked on what a lot of those complaining about SJW's trying to shoehorning diversity in say should be the primary concern - the story stands up.

Because you didn't miss the lack of the obvious white maleness kicking arse. Black and Indo European maleness did the job as did LGBT and straight black and white femaleness.

As for white male villians, well what do you want Lex to be something else than white? Or Otis (who was white in the Chris Reeves films) And like it or not there has been only one black president, so a male president would most likely be white and most college professors are white.

So the question we have to ask is it casual racism or is it those characters being cast as the same ethnic groups they always were or most likely to be? If so does that mean we have to move the needle in other ways and how would you exactly say we should do that without people being inspired by what they see around them?

[–] horrorfan000 (2067) 5 years ago

Actually other than the crossovers and the finale i don't watch this show at all lately.It's a cringy SJW show disguised as a sci fi show.I liked season 1 and 2 ok but after that it went down hill.And my observation wasn't about the lack of white maleness kicking arse as you say.It was the fact that there isn't a single straight white male lead on the show period.For a show that takes extreme pride in it's inclusivity that pretty non inclusive.

[–] fishpan (544) 5 years ago

If you don't watch this season then why complain?

You stopped caring about this show long ago. But now you care?

Winn was always the only white recurring male on the show so why not bitch in season 1 or 2 when he got sidelined?

[–] horrorfan000 (2067) 5 years ago

I'm neither complaining nor bitching.I'm Just making a factual observation.I just find it weird that a show that prides itself on being so very inclusive and diverse completely excludes an entire race,gender and sexuality from the main cast.

[–] fishpan (544) 5 years ago

Jimmy, J'onn and Brainy - all cis males and so far straight.

They hit 2 of your three categories and Kara and Lena hit 2 of the three categories you asked for white and straight.

The issue you have is that they don't have all three together in the package you are use to being front and centre even though we've seen white men working at Catco and in the DEO. Hell be like everyone else take what you can get.

You are getting inclusivity just it is cycling through it and white male and straight hero hasn't been about this season but straight trans hasn't been there until now, Latino hasn't been there for 5, non binary hasn't been there at all. Gay in the sense of gay male hasn't been there.

So why complain that white straight and male isn't getting put on camera as hero club for one season when a lot of ethnic groups haven't had their time on Supergirl? Because Lex, Lockwood and the President were white men and the bad guys. Well it is for one season as look at the big bads of previous seasons.

Season 3 - the bad guys - women
Season 2 - the bad guy - a woman
Season 1 - most of the season bad guy - a woman

So what on Supergirl for one season the bad guys were white straight men. For the majority of the seasons the bad guys were mad women! Females should be more pissed. But you didn't get your representation, well you just got a taste what every other group has had for years and we were told to basically get over it.

[–] horrorfan000 (2067) 5 years ago

"They hit 2 of your three categories"
"So why complain that white straight and male isn't getting put on camera as hero club"

Wow you must really love this show to be so defensive of a simple factual observation.To clarify i wasn't speaking of individual categories nor was i speaking of male hero characters specifically.I think it's fairly obvious by my posts that i meant all three categories together and straight white male characters in the main cast in general.I stand by my observation.And if i were bringing up a complete lack of gay,black or female characters in the cast you would probably be defending my observation.

[–] fishpan (544) 5 years ago

You said they were being excluding race gender and sexuality. I'm just coming back to you with the crap that every other race gender and sexuality is told when it is the other way around and you don't seem to like it. Especially seeing you are seeming to say you don't really watch the show but this is annoying you. Don't like it don't watch- again what other groups for years were told. Or you can watch and see how it pans out especially if the stories work.

Plus comparitively speaking for a show called Supergirl white men actually haven't been the main bad guy for most of the shows run time.

[–] kuku (3510) 5 years ago

As for white male villians, well what do you want Lex to be something else than white? Or Otis (who was white in the Chris Reeves films) And like it or not there has been only one black president, so a male president would most likely be white and most college professors are white.

So after black vikings, black Asgardians, black Iron Man, black SpiderMan, black companions in Robin Hood, black neo-Alfred in Batwoman, black James Olsen... now black evil Lex Luthor or black evil US president don't make sense. Because, well, there has only been a black president in modern times. It's not like black vikings, that were very common.

Of course XDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[–] fishpan (544) 5 years ago

Loving the shout out to the Black Viking trope but is anyone really complaining that Idris Elba was Heimdall, hell does anyone complain about Idris Elba in anything.

Hell its Idris Elba....which is very nice to think about in any sense.

Black Iron man - you mean Ironheart? That is a different character not a black Tony Stark
Black Spiderman - again a different character. Not simply a black Peter Parker.
the character in Batwoman (I can't stand Ruby Rose) is supposed to be linked to Lucas Fox, not Alfred
Black Jimmy Olsen - a lot better than the Zack Synder Jimmy Olsen

Black companions for Robin Hood - they are supposed to be Moors, which is at least a reason for being black in England at that point, rather than just have them without any excuse like they were born in Nottingham at that time and Jamie Foxx should give back his Oscar for that last movie.

Now black Lex Luthor? We have a white mother and Lena being the half sister through their father, so a black Lex wasn't going to happen. But why Black? Why not Asian or Hispanic?

A black evil president - yeah possible but roll the dice and look at the stats. More likely the President will be a white male seeing how we've only had one out of 45 not fit that mold. Or are you against the stats now??

[–] kuku (3510) 5 years ago

So black vikings are OK. Black moors in XIIth century England is OK. And so. But a evil black president is wrong because black presidents are against the stats.

You, sir, you're a racist. You'd even be a racist in XIXth century: back then, you didn't see evil characters being played by non-white actors in the stage.

[–] fishpan (544) 5 years ago

Don't you know what the black Viking trope is? Look it up.

And how can you complain about Idris Elba????

And you didn't see non black actors play evil parts in the 19th century? I wasn't there so I don't know. Probably not a lot in Europe and North America. More black face if required.

But in Asia and Africa there would have been a lot of non white good and bad guys I'm guessing.

And to be honest there has been a lot more white straight males playing president than not, have been president than not. So law of averages - you have a white male playing the US President.

[–] hurricane (1908) 5 years ago

if it bothers you that much, there's plenty of shows and movies with straight white men are the leads.

[–] horrorfan000 (2067) 5 years ago

Doesn't bother me at all.The writing went to hell after season 2 when it went all SJW agenda crazy.I only bother with this show once in a while because it's part of the Arrowverse.Just thought it was odd that a show that's so preachy about it's diversity and inclusivness wouldn't have a single straight white male in the main cast.