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Too obscure and joyless to be worthwhile.


The biggest problem I have with the movie is I never saw the main characters as having realistic conversations and discussions, as normal friends might. I was always aware that they were working off a script that someone wrote. Almost all the interchanges are adversarial. And if the interactions between friends didn't seem real, what does that leave us with? Not much because there is no big "ah-ha" moment before the ending.

I am glad I saw it, for something different, but I could not recommend it to anyone else. I believe most viewers who mostly enjoy mainstream movies would NOT be happy spending 90 minutes watching this one.

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The movie is simply unwatchable.

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I love small movies that are character studies, and this one is utterly excruciating. And you are right -- the dialogue is entirely without actual human context. It's obviously a script, and a bad one at that. Thus, the characters never seem human, and so there is zero means of relating to them in any way. It's staged and theatrical, and that rarely works on the screen. Unbearable!

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I always find "realistic" to be a laughable critique. First off, it assumes realism is inherent in quality, and secondly, because it assumes omnipotence on the part of the critiquer, as if they can state with assuredness what is and isn't "real". I've seen people who find the films of John Cassavettes to be the most realistic ever made, and others who find it utterly alien. Robert Bresson had his actors drain the emotion from their performance as he found that more true to life, detractors complain his characters not remotely human. So because you don't know people who talk like this, that must mean it's unrealistic? It doesn't matter if others can attest to conversations like this?

Lack of realism isn't a concern when the movie clearly isn't aiming for realism but effect. Are you going to complain about how "unrealistic" the movie's clear grandfather, "Persona" is? If you want to watch Cinema Verite, go watch Cinema Verite.

Far as being staged and theatrical, my god, yes, most movies are, overwhelmingly so. Cinema is more staged than theater often times. You might as well be complaining that this movie is being a movie.

Obscure and joyless? These don't even qualify as criticisms. It's not meant to be a joyful movie so why would one expect that? Again, there's not a whole lotta joy in "Persona" either. Obscure? What does that have to do with quality?

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There is a HUGE difference between how theater and cinema are typically staged and executed. If a movie plays as if it's been staged as theater, it is often quite awkward.

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Like I said Ore-same, this movie is too obscure and joyless to be worthwhile.

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Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and sometimes not.

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I am all for post-modern and moody. But it still has to be interesting and poignant to be watchable. This movie was marketed as a thriller but it has no payoff. Italian giallo movies of the 70s played quite successfully with atmosphere and obscurity. This does not.

If this movie's big secret is that the happier times were flashbacks, and all the abusive and depressive scenes are now, that's just plain old ho-hum. Yeah, Moss acts alot; yes, there is some mystique to the happenings. But ultimately, there were just self-conscious and awkward scenes one after another one. There was no "a-ha" moment needed in a thriller. And I simply don't care why the characters were doing what they were doing. The mumblecore elements of this movie actually do it a disservice.

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I think that the OP summed up the experience of watching this film quite well, and didn't even have to elaborate beyond the "subject" line. I don't think it's fair to dismiss the post because of a complaint that it wasn't "realistic." As you pointed out yourself, reality is subjective. I found, for instance, The Neverending Story (which is a random example lol, I know) to be more realistic than Queen of Earth. And that obviously isn't "real," but it spoke to me on some level, appealed to my thoughts and emotions, whereas this movie has me apathetic about its entire existence.

For me, the film was obscure insofar as it failed to evoke any relatable feeling or characteristic whatsoever because of these women and threadbare plot. I want to be clear that it wasn't the fault of the actresses, because their individual performances were great, but they had zero chemistry as friends and neither one had any redeeming or likable qualities. I didn't buy the disintegration of that relationship because I never saw or felt a believable relationship to begin with. They were two extremely miserable people who seemed to always resent and despise each other. Just because they had one line in a conversation about how they're not "enemies", it isn't enough to solidify a believable friendship on screen. That's shallow and it's lazy writing. I thought that maybe a lot of this film ended up on the cutting room floor, leaving out crucial moments that would have supported the film's premise.

I found it joyless because even though we know the movie isn't a happy, feel-good flick, it should still be joyful to watch. People watch movies because despite what the film is about, there should be something joyful derived from the viewing experience itself. Even the saddest film has some semblance of joy if it's evocative or cathartic for the audience.

But I guess that's what's great about movies... someone likes it, someone else doesn't. There is no right or wrong when it comes to the reason.

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I'm the same: love small movies, love character studies, and I think Elizabeth Moss is a superb actor. But I'm also finding watching this to be excruciating. I'm about 20 minutes in and came here to see if it's worth hanging in, and have concluded it isn't.

Too bad. I loved Top of the Lake, having just finished it.

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I think you nailed it.

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In a nutshell, you got it exactly. 'joyless' is a good word for it.

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Almost all the interchanges are adversarial.


Yeah. How did these two ever become and stay friends.

I believe most viewers who mostly enjoy mainstream movies would NOT be happy spending 90 minutes watching this one.


Ugh, this movie sure didn't feel 90 minutes long.

We try but we didn't have long
We try but we don't belong...


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