Ego vs Talent - A Nightmare Receipe for Making a Film


Caught this at its premiere at FrighFest in London and does make fascinating view about how great talent does not make for great film-making. The battle of wills between Brando, Kilmer and those actually trying to make the film are comical, yet truly disheartening when you consider the time and passion that many, most notably Richard Stanley had put into getting this film off the ground. However it is in light of this that it feels the makers of this documentary themselves got caught up in the whole madness of the production, and never really looked in depth and went wrong here. As the seeds for this film debacle were clearly sown in the pre-production phase.

i) The Casting - Brando was well known to no longer be a box office draw, and was difficult to work with. Two hard to avoid examples being the role he played in the nightmare production for Apocalypse Now, plus the crippling costs of employing him on Superman. Yet aside from one of the senior execs at New Line, nobody else seemed to question inflicting him on an inexperienced director. At least the casting of Val Kilmer makes some production sense, since at the time he was the new Batman, and was clearly seen as a big box office draw.

ii) Richard Stanley - the brief on-screen intro for him depicts him as a rising star, a visionary director, but fails to mention that both his previous films had ran into serious problems. A creative falling out with his second feature Dust-Devil, meant that it was eventually released in an 87 min version instead of the intending 120 min, after being cut by the distributors into something that made very little sense. While his first film Hardware praised as great piece of original low budget sci-fi, turned out to be a copy of a comic short story - Shok, not only in terms of story but also the look and design. Which after threatened legal action resulted in additional writing credits for Steve McManus and Kevin O’Neil.

iii) The producers - at numerous points during interviews it comes across that Stanley was an isolated figure, but what is not made clear is how this came to be. Was it his character or perhaps more to do with the producers trying to get him off the film. Certain choices about how the film was set-up are criticised, but if these were poor chaises then why weren't the producers raising the issues at the time.

At the end you do feel that there could have been some more pointed question for the producers and Richard Stanley, to really find out what was happening in those early stages, rather than focusing on the easier targets of two out of control actors with huge egos. Especially so as Richard Stanley "disappears" from this film for sometime as the attention switches to the antics of the actual film production, something which everyone freely admits had nothing to do with what he actually envisaged.

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I have not seen this, but I can just imagine what it must have been like for every one involved. I saw it years ago and I was disappointed it the whole thing and I wondered if they had an unedited version that might have made the movie better. I thought Fairuza Balk was a good choice, she was young adult and former child star who seemed to have a lot of energy that the movie could have used. She was probably a little nervous working with Brando the same way Tim Roth was nervous about working with Charlton Heston in Planet of the Apes, but I thought she did very well in it.

I am guessing here and going on what you are saying so if I get it a little wrong I do apologize. I saw the original a long time ago and then a previous one with Lon Chaney Jr in black and whit and it is worth watching and I am also going on they as well. It is one of those movies that you can make it into a modern story by changing some things, not just the date because it is a very adaptable story since this is something science has not done yet, at least not to our knowledge. However, I did not feel they developed the story very well to make it a modernized to fit in to the era. I do wish they writers/producers would have kicked several ideas around to get the story so that the movie would have had the feeling that it was "real." I felt the movie lacked some direction, but that could be because we do not know how much they cut out of the film during the edi8ting process and for all we know, those parts would have made it better. It seemed as if it was thrown together and the character Dr. Maoreau was strange. It did not seem believable enough or seemed very odd. I can't explain it exactly. I felt the character development could have been better regarding the back story of him or more about his past life.

I usually do not say much about the actors and how they did unless they were really bad and I did not think any of them were. One thing about Brando is that he still had the knack for it and he became interested in co directing or producing a couple of his films. He has always been an extremely private person, but there was a little bit of a change in him. It could be some of the personal th8ings in his life moved to the set with him and also, one big things was that he was a stage actor and they are a different breed. The one thing I have to say, it does not matter how bad the movie is, Brando will always be good in anything he stars in. The budget they had to work with and what it cost to get Brando is not something I blame him for. They had to have known how much it was going to cost to cast him and they could have cast someone else who would have been just as good. One thing to note, and this is true and unbelievable. As he got older his privacy was extremely important to him and he did not give autographs very often so if he signed his name on any thing like a check, that check was not cashed and was usually kept by people because it was hard to get an autograph from him. Messed up huh. just FYI. However, I thought he was excellent in it and gave a good performance. Ron Pearlman is always excellent in everything he does as well. Actually all the actors did a great job with what they had to work with. So, I don't have anything to say bad about the actors.

The production was a bit strange in that they were working with a relatively new director with not a lot of experience working with such a well known cast or a bigger production. But, I do not think they should have gotten rid of him but hire another to work with him, one with more experience.

I think this could have been a relatively good movie if there would have been more thought behind it because some of the scenes were just odd and hung in the air. There will always be creative differences and Brando can turn out a good movie. In fact, I am surprised he never really got into directing and I can see where there was conflict but even with that a lot of movies get made that are very good.

Just a question. Do you know where I might find it so I can watch it? Thank you.

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Thanks for the info. I am thinking that it might come to Amazon or Netflix eventually. I cannot not even find a place to download it so who knows.

It is a shame about the film though. The very first movie had Lon Chaney Jr in it and it was black and white. This would could have been more, but it seemed that a lot was cut out and they were trying to do too much or have more in the movie but didn't have time to complete it all and it was rushed. I really liked the cast, a couple of very good young actors with some very well established ones it's a shame that it did not come together. I have heard that Brando could be difficult, but I mostly heard that the reason he can be is because he guarded his privacy very much. Similar to Paul McCartney is with people stepping a foot on his land, even by accident. Being part of a sensational band, having girls chase you down, people surrounding and almost turning over the car you were in, I can't say as I blame him. But, I have never in my life seen any performance by him that was bad. Maybe the movie was, but not him.

Anyway, thanks a lot.

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Lon Chaney Jr. was not in the original. Presumably you are thinking of Bela Lugosi as the sayer of the law.

Severin is a dvd/blu ray company, so this doc will undoubtedly get a lavish home video release at some point.

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By now you must know that this documentary is on Netflix. The 1996 version of Dr. Moreau, though, is what I can't find. I remember seeing the Charles Laughton-Bela Lugosi version on TV when I was a kid and it scared me.

The documentary makes clear that one of the many things that went wrong was that Marlon Brando's daughter died during pre-production or the very beginning of the shoot, so there was good reason to doubt that Brando would ever show up. Nevertheless, no one dared try to replace him with another actor. Least of all Richard Stanley, who thought that one of the few things keeping him from being fired was that the producers knew he had gotten along with Brando during a pre-production meeting.

Fairuza Balk and others were appalled that Brando detested the production so much that he didn't want to put any effort into it. She complained that when she asked him if they could work on their characters' relationship, he basically advised her to phone in her performance and not worry about the characters they were playing in this stupid movie. Others seemed to agree in that they said Brando spent all of his time giving everyone a hard time whether they deserved it or not (and many of them did). He insisted that his character should wear an ice-bucket on his head for no reason. It was not in the script. It was as if he just wanted to see if everyone would indulge his whims.

They did bring in an experienced director, John Frankenheimer, to replace Stanley. It would not have occurred to the producers to let there be two directors on a film. They might have been right since that just would have meant two more clashing egos. As it was, Frankenheimer could not control the movie set, either. (To his credit, he perhaps achieved *a little bit more control* but not anywhere near enough to save the movie.)

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I was not sure when Cheyenne died, but you do bring up a good point. That mess with his son and then with his daughter was hard on him and I think that weighed on him heavily. I am not so sure how I would feel if I were working on a movie after one child was sent to prison and the other died. I do not think I would be the best person to be around. I am not excusing his behavior, but I can understand it.

I saw an interview he did with Connie Chung and he was a bit of a deep thinker and when asked if he wanted to talk about his new baby daughter, he just said "no" very quietly. I have heard different things about working with him from his early works to his later ones and the ones I have seen always say that after working with him, they did learn something from him that they used. I do not know to what extent this is true, but it was like you said, he was trying to see if people would indulge him or would they fire back. I think he liked and respected actors who would fight back a little. He might go storming off, but he come back and do what the director said.

Yea, I think having a relatively new director was probably not the best thing when working for someone like Brando. He is absolutely brilliant in everything he does. I have never been disappointed in his performances. The rest of the actors too, Ron Perlman, Fairuza Balk, Val Kilmer, everyone were all terrific.

I do remember seeing the Bela Lugosi and Lon Chaney Jr. It was black and white and back then they could set up an atmosphere because they did not have the FX they have now. It was called "Island of lost souls" I believe and I love that movie.

But, I think he was a troubled man and I do respect him for wanting to keep his private life private and he lived during a time in Hollywood that you could be on top one day and gone the next. It is a shame that the actors did not get a chance to work with him when he was more together. I have heard mixed things, but the movie he did with Johnny Depp was very good and I think he was good in those types of light hearted romantic comedy/dramas and maybe he should have done more of those.

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Yeah, I need to watch this dammit.

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I loved the documentary. One of the most amazing film documenteries ever made.

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