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So the parents were basically taking care of a (SPOILERS)


... a 34 year old Man-child? Like a literal manchild LOL didn't see that twist coming! Maybe it's just a analogy of today's Millenials... old parents taking care if there mid age kids still living with their parents and still expect to be entitled

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Millenials stay at home because they earn less than people did 15 years ago and everything costs 10 times more.
Millennials don't want to be at home, you're confusing millennial kids with the kids who have helicopter parents.

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I liked the idea of a possessed doll or something. I don't believe in supernatural things but in a scary movie I don't mind it of course.

Too bad the movie took a turn for the worse during the last 20 minutes.
What the hell was that????

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So this doll was able to move by itself, it was "alive", but only when nobody was looking. Check.
I seen Childs Play, I can get that much.
But then when the doll is broken, we get the impression the spirit that was inside is moving around. Lights flickering and knocking sounds. Typical ghost stuff.
You'd expect the spirit to find a new body in one of the males.
Yet for some reason there's a new creature entering the story.
It's Brahms, the human.. But with a doll like face.
Like.. what.. on .. earth?
Where did he come from? Oh, that's revealed shortly after.
See, turns out he was living in some secret part of the house.
He had made a little "doll" like his nanny.. or.. no, like the DOLLS nanny.
Including her dress that he stole. So Brahms adult size and Brahms the doll are both existing at the same moment. It's not that the destruction of the doll created the adult size Brahms.

It makes no sense whatsoever, and I'm open minded and can go a long way with movies and stories.
It feels like the story writers had a good start, then towards the end they were in a hurry and just went all wacko.

Didn't enjoy the last part and it ruined the movie for my feeling. I expected a grand finale where everything is revealed. And whats revealed, would be something less random with less jumps that can't be explained.

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So Brahms adult size and Brahms the doll are both existing at the same moment.


It is ultimately revealed that there never was a supernatural element. The doll was never alive.

Brahms killed a little girl when he was a child. In order to keep him out of jail/an institution, his parents faked his death. In order to have a way to still "interact" with their son, they use a doll as a go-between.

Over time, Brahms comes to see the doll as an extension of himself (including speaking in a child-like voice and wearing a mask so that he matches the doll). When Cole shatters the doll he destroys Brahms' "middleman" to the world and so Brahms emerges from the walls where he has been hiding.

The doll version of Greta does two things: (1) it shows that Brahms is also interacting vicariously with Greta at the same time that she is interacting vicariously with him. (2) It makes it really clear that that Brahms has very sexual intentions toward Greta--he isn't seeing her as a new mom.

I figured out that someone was living in the walls/cellar as soon as the mother kept insisting that the nanny speak louder, read louder, turn the music way up, etc. I had some brief moments of doubt as the movie went on, but it was foreshadowed in several scenes.

I think that everything makes sense. You could possibly argue that Brahms seems to be able to move around the house/stay hidden much better than you'd expect, but aside from that I think it all hangs together.

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It is ultimately revealed that there never was a supernatural element. The doll was never alive.

Brahms killed a little girl when he was a child. In order to keep him out of jail/an institution, his parents faked his death. In order to have a way to still "interact" with their son, they use a doll as a go-between.

Over time, Brahms comes to see the doll as an extension of himself (including speaking in a child-like voice and wearing a mask so that he matches the doll). When Cole shatters the doll he destroys Brahms' "middleman" to the world and so Brahms emerges from the walls where he has been hiding.

The doll version of Greta does two things: (1) it shows that Brahms is also interacting vicariously with Greta at the same time that she is interacting vicariously with him. (2) It makes it really clear that that Brahms has very sexual intentions toward Greta--he isn't seeing her as a new mom.

I figured out that someone was living in the walls/cellar as soon as the mother kept insisting that the nanny speak louder, read louder, turn the music way up, etc. I had some brief moments of doubt as the movie went on, but it was foreshadowed in several scenes.

I think that everything makes sense. You could possibly argue that Brahms seems to be able to move around the house/stay hidden much better than you'd expect, but aside from that I think it all hangs together.
Thanks for clearing a couple things out. But I still find this a very hard to believe story, even within the realm of "scary movies" where I know a lot can happen and a little bit of fantasy and imagination should be in place.

The whole "having the doll as a middle man" thing is too far fetched for me unless it involved something supernatural. But since it doesn't, and we are to believe this film wants to remain very realistic, it's just too much.

Anyway, I checked it out more because of Lauren Cohan that I know from The Walking Dead and I'm glad to see she's able to play other roles and make me forget that she is "Maggie". Well done, Lauren!

Off topic: Btw, I just checked. Lauren and I have the same age! ^_^

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The whole "having the doll as a middle man" thing is too far fetched for me unless it involved something supernatural. But since it doesn't, and we are to believe this film wants to remain very realistic, it's just too much.


I didn't mind it. It was far-fetched, but the movie had its own logic and so I was able to flow with it. I liked that I started out not believing in the supernatural, then starting to doubt, then having it come back to "reality". Movies don't often fool me, so I appreciate it when a movie can surprise me.

I can understand if it felt like too much to you.

I just posted this in another thread, but I like the doll because I think that it shows the way that the parents are in denial about who their son really is. They don't want to think of him as a murderer, or as this gross adult with a sex drive. So they create this "perfect" child that allows them to live in a fantasy world.

There are a lot of adults who are in denial about their children's struggles--and they work really hard to present a fake "front" so that their families will look perfect and "all-American" from the outside.

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LMAO!?!?!?

REALLY!?!??!


Come on dude, obviously it wasn't going to be supernatural. That would have been retarded.
Anybody who watches a movie like this KNOWS there is going to be a twist somewhere.
I had NO IDEA that their child was still alive and in the walls. That as BADA$&.
If the doll was like floating around, or people were getting thrown around by an "unknown"
force, than it turned out to be not supernatural, now that would be stupid.
But none of that happened. Everything that seemed "supernatural" could have easily
been faked by someone. Thats how I knew it was going to be fake. The whole suicide
scene was there to show that the parents were DEFINITELY not in on it.

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Come on dude, obviously it wasn't going to be supernatural.


I wouldn't have minded it being supernatural. I mean--that comes with its own creepy implications. It would mean that whoever takes care of/loves Brahms is going to get older and older as he stays the same age.

And when you consider Greta's miscarriage backstory--she seems to believe in the possession of the doll because it means that maybe her child might still be alive in some way. But that's kind of horrifying, isn't it? A child never able to age?

I guessed the "twist" right away--once the mother kept insisting that Greta wake up Brahms with a louder voice, read louder, play the music louder, etc. But there was a point about 2/3 of the way through that I started to wonder if it might actually be supernatural.

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Exactly, there were clues throughout that something wasn't right.
If it were all supernatural, the movie would have been retarded.
It would have been exactly what they were showing us. Who
wants a movie to be obvious??

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Exactly, there were clues throughout that something wasn't right.
If it were all supernatural, the movie would have been retarded.
It would have been exactly what they were showing us. Who
wants a movie to be obvious??


There are plenty of good, even great, horror movies that are exactly what they "show"--it's all about the execution. A movie doesn't need a twist to be smart. In fact, many of the best horror movies are exactly what they seem to be: The Thing, for example. Or Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

If it had been done well, I think that an ending where the doll really is possessed could have been just as good as the movie we got. The heart of the movie is Greta and her decision whether or not to stay (possibly forever) with Brahms. That part of the movie could be just as powerful if it is supernatural or if it isn't.

I don't think that the OP or anyone else is "retarded" for believing the explanation might have been supernatural. In fact, when movies make it too obvious that there is a "twist", people stop buying into the movie and start just trying to guess what the twist will be. If it's really obvious that it isn't supernatural, the movie loses a lot of its suspense.

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Not saying every movie as to have a twist, but when they do and are done right, they can be
fantastic.

I personally thing supernatural movies have been done to death, and since I don't believe
in the paranormal, they just are not frightening to me at all. But real people that can
exist, that is messed up.

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So this doll was able to move by itself, it was "alive", but only when nobody was looking. Check.


Uhhhhh...no?????

Most viewers realized near the end of the film that the man living in the walls was the one moving the doll when no one was around. I think most people have that figured out.

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What I thought was going to happen was once her abusive boyfriend smashed the doll, all hell would break lose supernaturally. The boyfriend would be murdered by the mirror glass or whatever, and the doll, given the fact that the child had been 'odd', would now go after Greta and the other guy too. There would be a struggle with the objects of the house to see if either of them could get out. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't have been entirely sure if they would make it. She escapes, only to come back and buy some time by scolding his spirit like his parents, rescues the guy and they barely make it out. At the end you have a cutscene where they show the empty house and the walls rattling and a child giggling.

The parents' suicides can be explained by them tiring of caring for the doll all these years but unable to destroy it themselves, and leaving her to die with it.

That would be more than enough tension for me and the movie seemed to be heading right that way after the boyfriend smashed the doll instead of the bizarre Jason plot twist.

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Millennium babies are still living at home because they are 16...

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well,

if Brahms was living in the walls for about 34 years, they should have smelled him a mile off, if he didn't take baths, or showers.

Jezzus, come to think of, he might have had lice too.

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