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Was Eve's Father faking dementia?


It seems very timely that he developed dementia to avoid being held accountable.

what Jordie?

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I don't think so.
He'd have had to have faked the doctors appointment, the forgetfullness when Eve went into labour, wetting himself in the kitchen, crapping himself in the hospital, having no idea why he was being beaten up by Matt.....

And all to what end? His reputation is mud now that Gettrick has been caught, and that's the one thing that he was trying to protect.

So basically, no. :)

If the opposite of Love is indifference, what's the opposite of Hate?

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The way he responded to questions than waited before talking to see if the person who was talking to bought what he was saying leads me to believe that yes he was faking it. Most noticeable in the finale when his daughter is questioning him.

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I doubt the whole dementia was faked. It just would not have made sense that after he receives the phone call he goes instantly berserk on his whole past life and starts off into a bigger lie than anything before.
But the moment in the finale you mention looks a lot like he can remember but takes the easy way out, avoiding taking the responsibility for it, knowing that soon he would not be able to remember anything of it anyway. There is this knowing expression on his face, just a hint more than that blank stare before.

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I believe he played on it, he still had some control over faculties, though at times would drift off, talking about that girl with alabaster skin iirc. That look he gave Eve was chilling when asked about his involvement

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I think he was faking it in the last scene,at other times when his condition was worse he wasn't.

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I came away wondering too. Especially after the close up on Stone's face right at the end, before he launched again into a dementia type question to Eve.

One thing that might be key (I can't recall) is to watch again the episode in which Eve and Stone first have a conversation about his future and health (they don't mention dementia at that point) and what's going to happen to him etc.

It's a vague conversation about his condition or situation. But later appears to have been about the ensuing dementia.

If that convo took place long before Gettrick confronted him for help, then the dementia might be real. If only because they were speaking of his condition and future long before.

But I just cannot recall without watching again where that convo took place with regard to the entire time line.

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Yes, that's exactly what I thought. In that final scene with Eve I was sure I glimpsed an expression of smug triumph flickering in his eyes. But it was left beautifully ambiguous.

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Probably

He told his daughter that he may forget things. Correct me if i'm wrong but I didn't think that dementia just come on like that and does know they are due to get dementia?

He remembered what they did in Iraq

He suspiciously told his daughter in the hospital that he didn't know where he was

He knew who the missing girl was

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The thing with dementia is that a lot of people can still remember things in their past for a while after initial diagnosis but fail to make new memories or remember recent ones. I think he remembers what he has done but maybe he's not all there to feel the full weight of guilt about it

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The writers of the show have confirmed he did have Alzheimer's but how much he remembers at any given point is debateable.

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The writers of the show have confirmed he did have Alzheimer's but how much he remembers at any given point is debateable.


I saw their Q&A on Twitter..and yeah they said this..But to me his rapid dementia seemed he played up to it alot more epsecially when someone like Baptiste was questioning him. It was only 2 years when he saw Sophie-Alice and she made that false eye witness account ...until then present day? This would mean some extreme rapid decline.




what Jordie?

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There are cases in real life of people faking dementia. Guinness in the 1980's was jailed, (I think for fraud, got dementia, was released on compassionate grounds, then was miraculously cured.
I think when he [Stone] realised it was all about to come out, he suddenly started telling his daughter to 'remember the good times'. A bit convenient for it to hit at THAT precise moment. I'm leaning towards he was faking, but not 100% sure

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Roger Allam is such a consummate actor of actors, it's hard to imagine that tiny flicker of triumph or smugness we saw as quick as a blink on his face meant nothing in that close up of him at the end.

It still might have been directed as "do something micro to give a hint, Roger, but not all the way," or something like that. All part of whatever the script said or how it was directed with purpose.

It's good the writers confirmed he has dementia; but the question for viewers is...to what extent has it progressed? And is he exaggerating it on purpose as needed, having retained enough to know he needs to do that right NOW to shut down questions from people.

One thing that also made me think he was exaggerating was the way Roger Allam acted the more vociferous scenes when he was yelling or reacting verbally.

There was a kind of just TINY TINY over the top nature to what he was saying. It's like Roger carefully infused his quick rants with a kind of false tone.

I listened to a few of them again to see if it was there--and I heard it. A hint of a false expression that hints at him going for it in some of the rants when he shuts down questioning.

Subtle? Sure. But in the hands of somebody like Allam, totally doable in the most subtle of ways. Maybe not easy to catch on the first viewing, but I saw it more clearly on second viewing.

But I reran that last Stone scene four times and saw the same flicker/gleam every time! haha

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It reminded me of a few scenes with Paul Spector in "The Fall." Tight close ups, right after it appeared Paul had totally gotten away with his "amnesia" then there it was...the evil eye flicker, the smug satisfaction just the tiniest of muscle in the check jerking to indicate he's trying to keep his face in control. And I guess the jury is still out on Spector's Amnesia, too!

So perhaps these scenes are purposefully ambiguous. Guess we have to wait for writers to fill us in later in interviews! haha

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I'm certain that Stone is employing "selective" dementia at this juncture, and equally sure that his daughter suspects it too.





If there aren't any skeletons in a man's closet, there's probably a Bertha in his attic.

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Yes!

Did you find, as some who viewed it seemed to, very interesting that Eve was taking her dad home from the hospital, and not back to the home?

Again, ambiguous, but perhaps not?

Sure, he was beaten up badly in the home, which might speak to a security system a bit too lax that allowed in three thugs. So, perhaps she'd be reluctant to take him back there, since it would hold bad memories for him perhaps. Or where he could be vulnerable again. Fair enough.

But there are other homes, right? She just simply said she was taking him home. End of.

It also seemed to indicate that gee, now she can care for him at home, when before it was all too much with work? And she's pregs but there is no indication that she would be leaving work to stay at home with him was there?

There was no explainer line, either, from Eve to someone at the hospital like, "Well, I'll take him home. I've found a fabulous carer for him now."

So, no explainer lines to show why she suddenly could care for him at home in such a matter of fact way.

Inquiring minds want to know!

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Yes, the fact that Eve wants to take her father home is heavily loaded, IMO.






If there aren't any skeletons in a man's closet, there's probably a Bertha in his attic.

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Meaning what exactly?


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I think he was as well. Especially in the last scenes.

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