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Just watched this film...a few points and questions [SPOILERS]


Just got back from the cinema now. I love the predator franchise. The first film is one of my favourites ever, I even think the 2nd is pretty good. This however is a solid 6 out of 10. Not bad, enjoyable but I won't want to watch it again anytime soon. I have a few discussion points on the film below:

What the hell happened to Stirling K Brown's character..(the 'bad' black guy)? Did he die? I think he shot himself in the head but I'm not sure.

If the 1st predator was helping mankind, why was it killing everyone on a rampage? I don't think they really thought about that point.

There were a few smart points in the film, like how we found out the kid is dyslexic and 'special' without anyone explicitly mentioning it. But I felt the way Olivia Munn's character was introduced was way too clunky! Some government agent just walks up to a random women and says 'I hear you like stargazing'. I could tell there must have been a scene cut at this point, most likely the sex offender scene she was going on about.

The ending...while the robot suit is a cool addition, it looked well cheesy - just MHO.

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Stirling K Brown was exploded by a blast from the plasma cannon when the Predator was on fire and the guy jumped on its back ... the scene was edited waaaaaay too fast, so if you blinked, you missed it.

The first Predator crash-landed into government military operation, so it never had the chance to approach anyone peacefully, I guess? It was a dumb storyline.

The kid being AUTISTIC (dyslexic? LOL) wasn't smart ... the film said autism is human evolution!

Yeah, the sex offender scene was obviously at the very start when the agent first approaches Olivia Munn.

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About the last scene with the suit.
I´ve got the feeling that they just wrote this in for a potential sequel with human predator.
In the movie it seemed to me that the Predator was just randomly dropping onto earth with his broken ship after being hunted by the bigger Predator. I didn´t think it earth was his real destination, he was just trying to get away quick before being hunted down.

The plot was all over the place anyway, they should´ve kept it waaaay simpler in my opinion, with less characters.


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Was anyone else hoping the box at the end contained an ALIEN ?

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I have to say I was also expecting an xenomorph egg not Ironman predator armoured suit

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Aliens have nothing to do with this retarded franchise.

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More like... you've never seen Prometheus or Alien Covenant.

AvP is irrelevant.

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You want a serious movie yet you like AvP... lmao retards these days. How cute.

AvP is still not canon whether you like the Alien prequels or not.

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AvP exists. Doesn't mean it's canon. Just like how Xmen 3 exists but everyone knows it's not canon to the Xmen universe.

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Xmen 3 was most certainly "movie cannon", which is why it was time traveled fixed - They simply had to fix the crap that was vomited in that movie.

AvP exists, but I sincerely don't think that the writers and director of this movie gave a damn about whatever cannon existed with those underwhelming movies. The Predator felt so much like a straight sequel to Predator 2 that they might as well have thrown a 3 in the title. It helps that the new movie only ever seems to reference the first two movies (and completely ignores the AvP movies).

Personally, I don't count the AvP movies into the Aliens or Predator cannon. Predators (2010) works into the cannon, but it works more as a side story than a true sequel. The AvP movies were never executed well enough for anyone to take them as anything more than Hollywood trying to exploit fans - Kinda like Halloween sequels, the cannon is only accepted as well as the movie's have executed them...which is practically never, which is why they always change it.

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Well there was an Alien skull in the Predators trophy collection in Predator 2!

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There is an R2D2 in Star Trek so according to your retarded logic Star Wars and Star Trek must share the same universe...


that's how dumb you sound.

It's called an easter egg. It means nothing.

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(There is an R2D2 in Star Trek so according to your retarded logic Star Wars and Star Trek must share the same universe...)
Must they? Hey maybe they do!

(that's how dumb you sound.)
How dumb I sound? There is no sound here. How dumb do you now feel seeing as any visitor to this site will see your stupidity on display. Better hurry up and edit/delete your post fuckwit!

Oh, and there's two movies about Aliens against Predators that link directly to the Alien franchise. You may not like it but they're there.

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Oh, and there's two movies about Aliens against Predators that link directly to the Alien franchise. You may not like it but they're there.


I know those movies exist. I also know Prometheus and Alien Covenant make those two worthless crossover movies obsolete. I honestly don't know why you're defending the AvP movies. You should be glad they're not canon. It's for the best.

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Because Prometheus did nothing wrong, right?
As for defending them, I like them so why wouldn't I?
You obviously don't, so hey, enjoy your life knocking others likes or dislikes. You must be life and soul of the party!

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Prometheus isn't an amazing movie but it's definitely better Aliens vs Crab Face. But of course, that's not saying much.

It doesn't matter if people like or hate Prometheus and Covenant. That's irrelevant. The point is AvP is not canon.

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Of course it is, just not to you.

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No. It's not canon.

Charles Weyland was never the founder of the Weyland company. Peter Weyland was. The Weyland company didn't even exist in 2004 because Peter was a kid at the time since he was born in 1990. This is confirmed by Prometheus. Covenant takes place in 2104 and shows the origin of the Aliens, which means the Aliens in AvP didn't exist. Aliens were never on Earth.

You have zero evidence to prove AvP is canon. You used an easter egg to validate your lame ass argument.

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No some of us actually like AVP but still consider it to be an alternate reality of the main predator story line. Forcing us to accept it as cannon ruins all three franchises.

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Miss Yutani was in AvPR. Or does she not count?
Charles 'Bishop' Weyland was the father of modern robotics. Or did you miss that?
It's canon enough for me.

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??? What about that Yutani woman? What does she have anything to do with this? The people in AvP work for Weyland. I'm saying the Weyland company did not exist in 2004, according to Prometheus, Peter Weyland was just a kid at the time. So how could the events in AvP happen if the Weyland company did not exist then?

Charles Weyland is also irrelevant because (I already told you) he was never the founder of Weyland Corp. He never existed. Do the names "Charles" and "Peter" look alike to you? Can you not read? Are you missing your glasses or something?

At this rate, you're just grasping at straws. Hey, I guess some people have weird tastes. It's ok. I understand.

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You obviously DON'T understand.
The Yutani woman is in AvPR, so everything to do with this.
Peter was the founder of the Weyland corp, which sprang from Weyland Industries which was founded by Charles 'Bishop' Weyland.
According to Prometheus the Engineers were around 9 - 10 feet tall. According to Alien they were at least twice as big as that. So why are you so quick to point to Prometheus as canon and nothing else?
Are you not paying attention or something?

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Your arguments are so fcking dumb. I watched Prometheus and Covenant and neither of those films confirm any of the bs you stated. Seriously, where do you get your info? Nowhere. You either made them up or you read them from some retard youtube comment with no credibility.

Charles Weyland never existed.

Look at the timeline for the Weyland company. https://alientimeline.wordpress.com/the-weyland-century/

Sorry but I don't see the name "Charles" anywhere. The company did not exist until 2012, meaning the events in AvP never happened.

Aliens did not even exist in 2004 because Covenant takes place in 2104 and shows the origin of the Aliens.

AvP is not canon. Get tf over it. AvP has been irrelevant since 2008. Nobody cares about it anymore.

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So somebody called Scott Middlebrook does a timeline and that's it, you're happy enough to follow it eh? Okay, follow this. Carry on across the navigation bar and you will see 'The banned histories - pre history to 2008. You will find Aliens versus Predators there.
Canon if we go by your standards. Now fuck off!

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It's called "Banned History" because it's not canon. Prometheus changed everything AvP has established (thank God) you dumb fck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBC4GsVP5_k

Again, nowhere in the video states Weyland Corp derived from Charles Weyland or something dumb like that.

Serious question: Why are you defending AvP? What do you see in it? AvP is an awful movie and literally nothing about the film stands out.

Ripley kills herself in Alien 3 to prevent Aliens from reaching Earth but, according to Paul WS Anderson, Aliens have been on Earth for thousands of years making Ripley's death pointless? Every Predator film shows Predators strongly prefer hot climate, but Predators have built pyramids in the coldest place on Earth? Also, AvP highly exaggerates the Predators. A Predator couldn't beat a cop in hand to hand combat in Predator 2 but a Predator can wrestle an Alien? Aliens are supposed to be 8 ft tall and very strong but the Predators in AvP look bigger than the Aliens. I've never seen a Predator at that size in any of their own films. The Aliens in AvP were obviously dumbed down to make the fights fair for the Predators to satisfy all the kiddie Predator fantards.

Seriously, why are you defending AvP? I really don't understand your taste lmao.

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Thought i told you to fuck off?

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I see you've run out of arguments already. It's ok. I've seen plenty of people who've been through that. No need to feel embarrassed.

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Run out of arguments?
Don't flatter yourself. It's obvious that you will pull asomething from a website that you think proves your point yet disregard anything that doesn't. As my old mama used to say 'You can't argue with stupid son'.
I'll take mamas' advice on this one!

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Disregard what? The AvP comics? Is that what you're talking about? There are Aliens vs Batman and Aliens vs Superman comics but I know you would never say Aliens exist in the DC universe.

You're criticizing my sources when you've provided zero sources to validate Aliens vs Crab Face. Seriously, what are you talking about?

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Yaaaaaaaaaaaawn!

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Look , I like the Alien films better than the predator films, And I think AVP as a concept is the most stupid retarded cash in ploy ever (as are all films with 'vs' in the title) but you have to admit , when they make not one but 2 films featuring the main characters from both films , then those film series are linked . The clue is in the titles.


no amount of "ah but...." blah blah canon blah weyland blah will change that.

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So, you're judging what's canon in the series based on the titles rather than the actual events that occur in the films.

I have no fcking idea what you're arguing about.

Is Dutch canon in the Alien universe? What about Adrien Brody from Predators? Is he also canon in the Alien universe? No, they're not. The series are not linked. AvP is just a stupid comic book crossover that only retard dorks took way too seriously.

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So, you're judging what's canon in the series based on the titles rather than the actual events that occur in the films.

Most of us consider Alien and predator to be their own pristine canon with AVP being a spin off canon. I actually enjoyed the AVP series but I don't consider them canon at all.

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I was already aware of AVP from the comics and video games of the 90s so it didb't bother me when the movies came out or strike me as a cash grab no more then most movies are anyways. The 2 AVP movies are linked with each other but the Alien and predator films are like wise in differen't realities. AVP came from the comics which many comics themselves admit they operate in differten't universes when they do a seperate cross over comic. Comic book fans can accept that Batman and Wolverine met non canonically in cross over comics so why do people insist all 3 franchises are in the same universe when the comics are translated into movies.

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"Batman and Wolverine met non canonically"

So how did they explain that, in that , um , episode?

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They called it a crossover issue. When the x-men met the justice league.
it happens all the time in the comics. Or it used to happen all the time. I don't know what is standard in comic books these days. They were always about gimics. Like oh that one time they killed super man.
https://www.google.com/search?q=x-men+justice+league+crossover+comics&num=100&client=firefox-b-1&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=thIgiqvZOyUHZM%253A%252C7pFYXRwhnto1NM%252C_&usg=AI4_-kT4tyRbiLmybVUoMZTUguADCNQAeQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiMkfDdn8zdAhUSd6wKHSBdA0wQ9QEwEXoECAUQCg#imgrc=vq8roYfAZyZ06M:

And then this happened
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_Versus_Predator

And this happened too.
http://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/RoboCop_vs._The_Terminator

Don't forget about these two
https://www.lukiegames.com/Mario-and-Sonic-Olympic-Games-DS-Game
But people are usually more accepting of video game crossovers in terms of canon since we don't usually take the games as serious as our movies.

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No I was actually expecting yet another class of predator to pop out.

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Yes yes yes... THAT would have been so great, plus showing we too got it all wrong about the normal size predator’s motives. What a twist.

I was hoping/thinking it was an Alien Egg... and then; end credits 👍

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The plot makes it a point to show the predator was attempting to deliver a package to earth and that the bigger predator was trying to stop him from making that delivery that so earth was an intentional destination. All this is revealed by the bigger preddators communication with his home planet which was translated to english. If your watching the pirate version of the film you didn't get to see the english translation since the translation was then in russian.

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I saw the Translation, he could´ve been a traitor for anything, the package thing was added for possible sequels.

It´s also suggested in the scene where the autist boy looks through the mask that the Predator has been tortured.
So initially he was just a prisoner who fled and was hunter therefore, then they added the IRON MAN SUIT WOA WOA WOA. THE PREDATOR 2 COMING SOOOOOON
Won´t happen though because box office.

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??? The predator had topped the weekend box office. We'll eventually get another predator movie maby not a sequel to this one though but a different story.

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It cost a lot, and i don´t see it having long legs.
I doubt they´ll consider another movie under 200 million ww bo.
At least not one as expensive as this one.

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Yea we were expecting a bigger payout as to what the predator was delivering. Then it turns out to be a "Toy for the sequel". It reminds of of those looney toons cartoons were everyone is fighting to see whats inside a mystery box stealing the box from each other through out the show then finally at the end they open it and all it is is the words "The end" or on the case of this movie was nothing more then a "To Be Continued" sign. We were expecting a bigger payout. And just like the cartoon did it kind of breaks the 4th wall as it was supposed to be the driving plot point of the entire movie only to end up being a sequel teaser. Thats not a satisfactory ending as it confuses the motive of the original predator who would have given a better explaination as to what he's doing but the writers killed him off leading us to think there would be a huge payout at the end but really attempts to stretch the movie into at least to more films. I disliked prometheus for the same reason. I don't like this emerging trend of trolling the audience up to the end of the film only to push the payout into other films. This is like LOST all over again. At least predator felt pretty self contained with the exception of the suit tease and not a string of pearls till the end then promising to actually answer questions in the next film.

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I wouldn´t speak about any payout, because the mysterious box he had on board was established in the last 5 minutes of the movie just to set up a possible Sequel.

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No we were waiting the whole episode to see what the predator was bringing to earth. It was mentioned earlier on that he was bringing a gift via translation. Also the other predator discoverse the operating system for the packae running on a computer terminal. Showing the predators native language.

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Yea what was the deal with the plasma cannon. In previous movies the predator has full control of it and acively aims a triangle onto the target. 3 laser dots externally represented by an actual triangle in the predators helmet vision. Point and fact we actually see the predator fire at falling rocks in the first predator movie, something we woulden't expect an automated system to do. In the earlier films it doesn't look automated at all. I'm thinking this autofire angle is due to a misinterpretation of a scene in predator 2 where it appears to target keys(note the keys in this film is the real life son of busey keys who plays keys in predator 2) then fire as the predator seems to look away from keys. Predator is focusing on danny glover while the canon finishes fireing on keys. Other then that the plasma canon should not have a mind of its own.

I agree the kid being autistic and treating autism as if its a step forward in evolution is pretty dumb thinking as well. Even high end autistic people have a hard time coping with the world. I can't imagine some 12 foot tall predator would consider human autism to be a trait of a warrior.

Also how does shooting an Alien dog in the head make it tame?

I'll have to read up on the sex offender scene.

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I'm thinking this autofire angle is due to a misinterpretation of a scene in predator 2 where it appears to target keys(note the keys in this film is the real life son of busey keys who plays keys in predator 2) then fire as the predator seems to look away from keys. Predator is focusing on danny glover while the canon finishes firing on keys. Other then that the plasma canon should not have a mind of its own.

that is definitely a misinterpretation if anyone thinks the plasma cannon autofired - the predator locks onto keys first before he turns to face Danny Glover and the cannon autofires onto a target that is already locked by the predator himself.

Also the original 2 predator movies had a separate plasma cannon with its own battery pack on the back of the shoulder now with the plasma cannon incorporated into the helmet where does it get so much power to do everything, plus another poor decision to change the camouflage settings from the computer wrist-watch to a small ball.

Shame Busey Keys son didn't play the badass scientist rather then a weakling Olivia Munn being all super smart rambo.

What a waste of the dogs - they looked great atleast but they could have took out some of the loonies or soldiers in the compound.

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Also the original 2 predator movies had a separate plasma cannon with its own battery pack on the back of the shoulder now with the plasma cannon incorporated into the helmet where does it get so much power to do everything, plus another poor decision to change the camouflage settings from the computer wrist-watch to a small ball.


I think the ball invisibility generator was just there so mckenna could swallow it and use it later when he snuck up on the bad black guy. its like they broke cnnon just for those few seconds of footage. :/

I thought so too I thought keys was gonna have a bigger role but it just turned out to be a cameo.

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So much details were just thrown out to make it a rush job, i was least expecting a decent coherent movie from Shane Black but such disappointment after they spent double of predators and did loads of re-shoots.

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The robot suit reminded me of this thing from Buffy the Vampire Slayer...

http://images1.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/Buffy-vs-Demon-Robot-sunnydales-dark-side-1266511_400_601.jpg

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That just looks like the predator in general. I pretty sure buffy borrowed that from the predator films.

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The robot suit was embaressing

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Its not a robot. Its power armor. :)
(quote from saints row IV)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0DMcg-rGRE

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"What the hell happened to Stirling K Brown's character..(the 'bad' black guy)? Did he die? I think he shot himself in the head but I'm not sure."

The blaster went off in his face (fleetingly) either due to his own dumbness or the Predator activated it to go off in his face

"If the 1st predator was helping mankind, why was it killing everyone on a rampage? I don't think they really thought about that point."

that's one of the hugely dumb things ppl were moaning about in AvPR the predator sent to do a clean up operation (presumably to save humanity) takes time out to skin random humans lol

"There were a few smart points in the film, like how we found out the kid is dyslexic and 'special' without anyone explicitly mentioning it. But I felt the way Olivia Munn's character was introduced was way too clunky! Some government agent just walks up to a random women and says 'I hear you like stargazing'. I could tell there must have been a scene cut at this point, most likely the sex offender scene she was going on about."

That scene was kind of like the scene where Jennifer Connelly was recruited in The Day The Earth Stood Still remake. Wonder if they'll put the deleted sex offender scene on the DVD

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I doubt they'll have the sex offender scene in the deleted scenes. That just defeats the purpose of cutting it in the first place. Most scenes are cut due to the pressure of the studio to make the movie shorter to squeeze in one more ticket sale. but in this case it was removed for what seems to be political reasons.

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Yeh most likely, however now and then mistakes are made on DVDs leading to the occasional recall so it wouldn't be surprising if the DVD team 'didn't get the memo' and the scene ends up on the DVD either in the movie uncut or in the deleted scenes especially as the movie had such a troubled production with the crew probably often not knowing wtf was going on most of the time and that sex offender scene got cut right at the last minute

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From the predator movie wiki:

Traeger tries to use a Predator weapon on the alien but accidentally kills himself in the process.

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