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Enough with conspiracy theories!


I am not saying this is a bad movie, but I don't like the underlying mentality.
Conspiracy theories are way too frequent nowadays, and frankly, they are quite stupid. They rely on two ideas that are quite unrealistic:
- that operations that involve a large number of people can stay secret for many years.
- that "authorities" (government, federal agencies, etc) have the power to control everything, and therefore that everything that ever happens is somehow controlled, that the chaos of different interests and ideas can always be controlled by a higher power.

Here in this movie we are even asked to believe that, knowing that they still did not have the technology to land the LEM on the Moon until at least 1971, U.S. authorities were still ready to send three astronauts to the Moon in 1969 and then to immediately destroy the ship and blame the Russians, as if this could make any sense at all.

All this nonsense may seem like good screenwriting but actually all this "conspirationalism" poisons the minds. This movie is a disgrace.

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Conspiracy theories are way too frequent nowadays, and frankly, they are quite stupid. They rely on two ideas that are quite unrealistic:


Oh really?????

- that operations that involve a large number of people can stay secret for many years.



Christianity, or any other religion, blows that argument out of the water totally....


- that "authorities" (government, federal agencies, etc) have the power to control everything, and therefore that everything that ever happens is somehow controlled, that the chaos of different interests and ideas can always be controlled by a higher power.


The Iraq war, The Syrian war, the monetary/banking system, the class system, current governmental systems, the military.................. I could go on for days.....

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The Iraq war, The Syrian war, the monetary/banking system, the class system, current governmental systems, the military.................. I could go on for days...

Yes, I am sure you would, this is a film for you, you deserve it.

Religions are interesting but different: they usually develop when there are no living witnesses of the "religion root causes" anymore. The man who actually invented Christianity (Paul) did not even ever meet Jesus. Religions are believed because people want to believe.
And exactly in the same way people want to believe that there is some evil power that controls everything.

People like you may fear conspiracies, they may complain against them but they would be utterly disappointed if they could find out that there was no conspiracy, that things evolve randomly and nobody is really in charge.


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[..] and nobody is really in charge.

Right, except that: 1) somebody prints the money, look how cute they get: https://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/about_14986.htm and then, there was this, 2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102

In 1934, Congress passed the Gold Reserve Act of 1934 which ratified President Roosevelt's orders. A new set of Treasury regulations was issued providing civil penalties of confiscation of all gold and imposition of fines equal to double the value of the gold seized.

It goes up and up... And up, all the way to the top of the pyramid. Always. That seat is never empty.

There is nothing 'random' in a system of absolute control. Don't be such a tool..;) :)

Edit: This would take WAY too long to explain and I'm pretty sure that the rest of the world has missed it; one of the most important events of the 21st century, so far:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/07/29/bank-of-cyprus-depositors-lose-savings/2595837/

^^ If you can see what went on, CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?

(Ugh, it's a funny article and it doesn't say what had happened. Basically, you remember when they'd said how the financial crisis - of 2008 - was over. LOL)

The Canadian government is actually proposing that what just happened in Cyprus should be used as a blueprint for future bank failures up in Canada.

*http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-confiscation-of-savings-in-canada-cyprus-style-bail-ins-proposed-by-ottawa-government/5329263
*http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/cyprus-style-bank-account-confiscation-is-in-the-new-canadian-government-budget

"They" can and will do ANYTHING. Anything, at all. It's the world, which we live in. :-/

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but I don't like the underlying mentality.


why should we all care what you like or you do not like?
are you a queen of la la land and have certain entitlements we all should obey?

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It's my opinion and I am entitled to it, and I have motivated it in detail. This is a message board after all, and I am happy to share it with you, you are welcome.
Also, something tells me that if you happened to share my opinion you would not be so pissed.

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i'm not pissed at all
;)

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Don't bother with that pretentious, condescending and overly paranoid bastard -- he claims to be against any and all conspiracies, and like his mentally defective and socially backwards friends (we're talking about the quintessential basement dwelling dorks whose idea of a good time is pumping each other in a circle jerk while watching Power Rangers and South Park), even when the government itself ADMITS that its own agencies or intelligence services have been involved in conspiracies, such as Operation Ajax in Iran (which also involved MI6 and Mossad), Watergate (which involved pretty much everyone in the Nixon administration and their flunkies in the Justice Department, and was so secret that had their operatives not goofed while breaking into Democratic HQ, would likely have never been discovered), Iran-Contra (yet another conspiracy that would never have been discovered had they not goofed), the Rumsfeld-Saddam affair, yet another top secret operation that involved convincing and pressuring Saddam to invade Iran in the middle of the night without any declaration of war, which is not only illegal, but also constitutes a war crime, Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI, or "Star Wars"), which was sold to the public as a legitimate attempt to establish an anti-Soviet missile shield using X-ray lasers in outer space and that this was actually possible, but in reality was not possible and even worse, was a deliberate fraud to sucker the Soviets into yet another arms race while getting slaughtered in Afghanistan (and the Soviets fell for it), as well as a massive front to illegally funnel defense money to anticommunist dissidents in Eastern Europe.

We also have the Tuskegee conspiracy which involved the secret and highly illegal medical abuse and testing of black men in the US from 1932 to 1972 (!) under the guise of providing poor blacks with "free health care". Then there is MK Ultra, another highly illegal and medically abusive series of experiments orchestrated by the CIA from their secret labs at McGill University in Montreal, Canada and also even more illegally (since the CIA is not allowed to conduct any operations within the US), at Stanford University and a few other domestic labs. People were being drugged and medically and psychologically raped, sometimes even involving actual sexual rape, while unconscious so that they would have no memory of what occurred. And that worked for awhile until the subjects started having nightmares, eventually forcing the CIA to disclose the facts about their activities. No one in the government today denies that MK Ultra was a conspiracy. Why? Because it was a conspiracy! I could go on and on, there are so many proven cases out there that can be referenced.

These are all examples of conspiracies orchestrated by the government, some of which like SDI went so far as to actually constitute fraud since they were using taxpayer money to "fund" a project that they knew was impossible to achieve because there isn't even enough money in the world to accomplish it, not to mention the fact that the technology to even make it happen is hundreds of years away (maybe decades, but given the hundreds of trillions of dollars needed to design, build, test and deploy X-ray lasers in outer space, not likely).

But this jackass troll will deny any of these examples as constituting conspiracies, even though the government and even the people involved in the planning and execution of these operations admit that they were conspiracies!

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Most of the time, it's not even a conspiracy: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bayer-admits-it-paid-millions-in-hiv-infection-cases-just-not-in-english/

^^ It's that, whole, insanity... Hard to think that nobody was sentenced to death /executed?! o.0

https://www.google.com/search?q=bayer+aids
(For killing THOUSANDS of people, for the mass murder)

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Since early 1985, Bayer has been screening all donated blood plasma for the AIDS virus, the company statement said, and the drug is now believed to be AIDS-free.

... It's believed, so -like- nobody is making sure - really.

P.S.
It's a government link, here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24785997 (Just in case that somebody wouldn't think it true, for some crazy reason)

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... Reading an article further, http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/22/business/2-paths-of-bayer-drug-in-80-s-riskier-one-steered-overseas.html:

Nearly two decades later, the precise human toll of these marketing decisions is difficult, if not impossible, to document.
[..]
But in Hong Kong and Taiwan alone, more than 100 hemophiliacs got H.I.V. after using Cutter's old medicine, according to records and interviews. Many have since died. Cutter also continued to sell the older product after February 1984 [..]

''Argentina has been sold 300,000 units and will possibly order more, and the Far East has ordered 400,000 units,'' according to a March 1985 Cutter report.
[..]
By then, while there were still a small number of buyers in the United States, nearly all of the unheated concentrate was being sold abroad, available records show. All told, Cutter appears to have exported more than 100,000 vials of unheated concentrate, worth more than $4 million, after it began selling its safer product.

& so on - and, in fact, the real numbers could've been in MILLIONS.

Edit: Never mind the contradictory statements and numbers, just look at the title: Riskier One Steered Overseas.

I don’t care, I’ll do anything to get a buck
Even rob a Miller truck, cause I don’t give a ****

@https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZPD0VTy8nM, Big L - Lifestylez ov da Poor & Dangerous

(Human nature, right)

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This is one "conspiracy theory" that actually makes a lot of sense and I'm inclined to believe. We know that governments around the world, and US in particular, have been known to lie and manipulate anything and everything.

NSA monitoring was also considered a "conspiracy theory" before but oh look, it was entirely true and even worse than expected. It's people like you why the governments get away with it.

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