If it was about an old man instead....
Would it still be a cute charming story if it was about an old guy with issues chasing a young girl at his job? Nope.
shareWould it still be a cute charming story if it was about an old guy with issues chasing a young girl at his job? Nope.
shareB.S. Lost in Translation has Bill Murray in a relationship with Scarlet Johannson and many people consider that to be a profound, romantic movie.
Don't act like older man + younger woman hasn't been a common movie trope for DECADES.
Except the plot of that is nothing like this movie. Quirky old man with mother issues pining after a younger woman at work is not a trope. Is there a movie with an older guy manipulating a younger coworker into dating him, where that's portrayed as a good thing? Not to mention the ending of this movie would never happen in that case.
Not saying I disliked this movie but it does show a double standard.
Was it really portrayed as a good thing?? Were we really supposed to root for Doris? After watching the film I didn't feel that way. Doris is portrayed as someone who has lived with her mother for her entire life, and recently suffered a huge loss by losing her. She was trying to fill that void by pursuing an younger man, which was also her way of making up for all the times that she had lost in order to take care of her mother. She kept her life in hold for her mother and now that she is dead, Doris wants to live her life. Remember her friends also called her a kid. She was more comfortable talking to her friend's granddaughter than her friends. She was also a hoarder so possibilities of other psychological disorders and thus consequent social awkwardness cannot be ignored.
As a viewer I didn't think that the maker's wanted to portray Doris' actions as commendable. They made her a hoarder, often indulging in pipe-dreams, an old woman with a young heart, a person who is most likely living in denial. (It was not until she returned from the thanksgiving dinner party that she sat in front of the mirror, pulled her hairs back and realized how time has flew by). She did not have a chance to begin with.
So speaking of the double standards, films portraying older men with younger women do actually often succeed in being with them. Like a poster below has sited the example of Dirty Grandpa. De Niro and Plaza actually had a kid together in that film. But though this film left me with occasional grins, an older woman trying to date a younger colleague was portrayed as anything but a 'good thing.'.
It's a tragicomedy, labeling it as either one of those categories does huge injustice to this film which just happened to be cute and charming!
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In my opinion the movie does want the audience rooting for her, especially with that ending which is meant to be the payoff. She didn't change her ways and still got the guy, her actions ultimately a good thing.
And for instance scenes with her daydreaming about her having sex with the guy after spilling coffee are meant to be funny. The intention is to be cute and charming like you mention. But considering a man in that situation, with some disorder putting their boss in awkward situations at work and facebook stalking them wouldn't be considered a cute subject to base a movie on. (as far as I know no such movie exists)
I can't say I've seen Dirty Grandpa but it sounds like a raunchy comedy where DeNiro getting with a younger woman is meant to be shock funny due to it's creepiness, but correct me if I'm wrong there.
I am sorry?
She did not get the guy.
That was all her daydreaming again as you see what really happened a few seconds later(he calls her up but she just lets the elevator close because she has given up on him or she couldnt hear him). I wouldnt say that the daydreaming scenes are meant to be funny. They are meant to show us just how out of touch with reality Doris is, she is just standing there absent minded while he is looking at her like what is wrong with you lady?.
This is not a cute subject but it is a decent movie.
I like it just as much as I like ruby sparks, stranger than fiction and other romantic movies with a somewhat similar "messed up" premise. Nothing against traditional romantic movies but I feel like they have been overdone and it is nice to see something new out there.
Doris is somewhat forgettable as a movie but that is just part of the genre. I get to rewatch stuff like ruby sparks every other year because I start to forget it and I like the premise of the film
As for the movie based on facebook stalking that would be a case of you (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1817081/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1).
It is a somewhat forgettable manic pixie dream girl movie where a guy falls for a barista girl and when he goes back to the coffee shop she has quit. A coworker gives him her facebook so he spends months creating the perfect persona to make her fall in love with him and following her every move on social media so that they bump on each other and then he has to keep up the charade.
It is an interesting premise but its even more forgettable than doris, I dont think I finished it but I could be wrong. Nothing against the premise but they just barely moved the story forward.
Murray's character in LIT is not being manipulative and is not stalking
shareI don't get this topic, there have been literally dozens upon dozens of "older man chases younger woman movies". Sabrina comes to mind (both versions). Gigi, Funny Face, An Education, pretty much any movie where Humphrey Bogart and Lauren Bacall were a couple, not to mention tons and tons of foreign (mostly French) films.
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And which of those examples consciously brings up the guys old age, making it a positive quirky thing where the audience is supposed to be rooting for him getting that younger woman?
Hollywood casts old guys with younger women without mentioning it - that's a whole different topic than a movie where we're supposed to root for an old person virtually harassing somebody half their age at work.. but it's alright since it's an old lady.
And which of those examples consciously brings up the guys old age, making it a positive quirky thing where the audience is supposed to be rooting for him getting that younger woman?
Hollywood casts old guys with younger women without mentioning it - that's a whole different topic than a movie where we're supposed to root for an old person virtually harassing somebody half their age at work.. but it's alright since it's an old lady.
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It wouldn't work just because sometimes younger women go for older men. Doris lusting for John is total fantasy material and we all know it's never going to happen. When you see movies about men lusting over total fantasy material they generally sleep with her by the end of the movie.
It could work, but the man would have to be as innocent and harmless seeming as Doris.
Them old men definitely have money. If they didn't ..then no honey!
shareOh please, why does EVERYTHING have to be turned into gender, political,racial or religious social justice war these days? Can't we just sit back and enjoy the show?
shareI'd agree with you if it was just some random movie where this isn't the focus, but it's a movie about an old lady chasing a younger male boss. If it's going to come up anywhere, this is it.
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shareI completely agreed with you.
sharei agree with the OP. stalking and harassment doesn't suddenly become ok because the perpetrator is a woman. i watched the first 15 minutes of this film and the last ten just to see how it ended because i felt so uncomfortable. having the man she stalked chase after her for real at the end was eye rolling. nope this film was not for me.