Reeks of Feminism and PC


God WTF bioware. Why did you have to throw in that *beep* to an otherwise good game.

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I don't know what you're referring to. Care to elaborate?

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1. Nearly every leader of an organization is a woman.
2. All the bad guys are men.
3. All the men are either praising women/scared of women, getting their ass kicked by women (Varric), acting emo, or wanting to step down their position to put a woman in charge furthering the gap.
4.Violence against men by women seem to not be a problem and encouraged. Seen multiple times throughout the game cutscene.
5. The only guy who actually acts/looks like a badass (Iron Bull) and showcases typical stereotype traits associated with tough males just happen to be the byproduct of a matriach.
6. Even the sex scene the women takes on dominant position (e.g. Cassandra) of cowgirl so as to not put them in anyway in a submissive position.
7. Nearly everyone in your party is a woman or a flamboyant male (Dorian).
8. Inserts lesbian and lots of bisexuals into your main squad to fill that PC quota.
9. Genius inventor again just happens to be a woman dwarf who calls your old blacksmith way of thinking old fashion.
10. Cassandra (if your playing as a woman) of how she's proud and happy to see a woman running the organization (disregarding competancy).
11. Vivien dialogue with blackwall and Iron Bull is just cringe worthy. Both these guys dialogue are written like they have no balls and just accept every insult she throws at them. Worst yet they pander up to her asking how they could help her.

Just to name a few things.

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7. Nearly everyone in your party is a woman or a flamboyant male (Dorian).


I'm not going to comment on your other other eight points, but out of all the nine available companions, 3 are female and 6 are male. In my opinion, there's nothing overly flamboyant about Dorian, but he is gay. And that doesn't come up unless you're friends with him and he reveals that side of him.

8. Inserts lesbian and lots of bisexuals into your main squad to fill that PC quota.

Ever since Origin, there have always been bisexuals and straights. This game added a gay man and lesbian.

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There was a discussion you can have with Iron Bull about the one member of his mercenary company. Apparently, the Qunari officially recognize transgendered people as their chosen gender. Even have a special term for it.

It was an obvious insertion of their political views into the game.

The OP isn't entirely wrong. There's a whole lot of left leaning sexual politics in the game.


...in fact blacks did better before affirmative action. Visf1 1/18/12

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1. Nearly every leader of an organization is a woman.

So women can't be leaders? The notion of social attitudes in Thedas is very different to our own. For example, the Chantry is not against homosexuality, and people regard it with a mix of indifference to "just keep it in the bedroom."

There is very little gender disparity in Thedas, too. Women are regarded, and even revered, as powerful, strong people, as is the case with the Divine and Empress Celene.

You're applying our standards, our social attitudes, onto a fictional world that does not uphold them.

2. All the bad guys are men.

Calpernia, and Grand Duchess Florianne

Of course, it's not going to be evenly split, and men might outnumber villainous women, but is it really a suggestion of feminism when some women occupy as vile a role as some men?

3. All the men are either praising women/scared of women, getting their ass kicked by women (Varric), acting emo, or wanting to step down their position to put a woman in charge furthering the gap.

Varric wasn't getting his butt kicked; Cassandra is a freakin' Amazon of a woman who Varric had the good sense to avoid fighting. That's not a testament to a man's weakness, it shows how formidable Cassandra really is - it's a strength of her character. Neither did I see any "acting emo." Solas is philosophical, Cullen has a serious issue with lyrium, Blackwall is haunted by his past...

They made Sera dumb and impulsive, is that a sign of misogyny? And if you chose to play a male Inquisitor, aren't you just acting out your male power fantasy, where you have complete control over many women's fate?

4.Violence against men by women seem to not be a problem and encouraged. Seen multiple times throughout the game cutscene.

As is the reverse. You can applaud Lucius hitting the Chantry Mother, you can slay Florianne yourself. Both acts can be regarded as "good."

5. The only guy who actually acts/looks like a badass (Iron Bull) and showcases typical stereotype traits associated with tough males just happen to be the byproduct of a matriach.

And that's a bad thing, how?

6. Even the sex scene the women takes on dominant position (e.g. Cassandra) of cowgirl so as to not put them in anyway in a submissive position.

Again, bad, how? You must not enjoy sex if the woman is on top?

7. Nearly everyone in your party is a woman or a flamboyant male (Dorian).

Varric, Solas, Blackwall, Iron Bull - non-flamboyant men, and to some degree, Cole. Likewise, Sera is pretty girly, if tomboyish, Cassandra has her romantic side and is flustered by her choice in smutty literature, and Dorian is just one of the best written characters in the game.

8. Inserts lesbian and lots of bisexuals into your main squad to fill that PC quota.

Thedas doesn't discriminate against gays and bisexuals. Are you saying characters are not allowed to be anything but completely straight? Solas, Varric, Cassandra, Vivienne, and Blackwall, are all heterosexual.

9. Genius inventor again just happens to be a woman dwarf who calls your old blacksmith way of thinking old fashion.

Because he's a human blacksmith with an unremarkable background. Dagna worked harder than normal because she was discouraged from pursuing her studies. She had a passion and wanted to see it through, but she had to go to great lengths in order to accomplish it. That's not feminism, that's just narrative.

10. Cassandra (if your playing as a woman) of how she's proud and happy to see a woman running the organization (disregarding competancy).

Yes, because burn the woman who has her opinions.

11. Vivien dialogue with blackwall and Iron Bull is just cringe worthy. Both these guys dialogue are written like they have no balls and just accept every insult she throws at them. Worst yet they pander up to her asking how they could help her.

I don't see that, what I see is a woman so entrenched in the Orlaisean Game that she can't help but be rational and political. Bull acts on emotion, because he's a Reaver, and Blackwall has a sordid past that he's overcompensating for by being idealistically altruistic.

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Great post. I agree with everything you wrote here.

This game was a life-changing experience for me, and I'll always love the characters who support our Inquisitor -- men and women alike. I can't believe the complaints about gender roles or sexuality, but they just make me that much happier the Bioware team just listened to themselves.

It's a fantastic game to me in every way.


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1. Nearly every leader of an organization is a woman.
... and what's wrong with this, exactly? Women can be leaders too, and it's not something new to the series. Arnora was Queen in the original Dragon Age, the Dalish leader CAN be a woman by the end of it (and she's considered the ideal option). Meredith and Elthina are the de facto powers in 2. The Divine has always been a woman. BEsides, it's not like there's no men in power. Cullen is one of the Inq's leaders. Bann Teagan is there. Gaspard can rule. Unless your complaint is equal treatment of male and female characters.....

2. All the bad guys are men.
The Viddasal? Calpurnia? Besides, DA2 by the same group's final boss was a women (with her sympathetic male second in command telling her to back down). Kinda doubt they hate men.

3. All the men are either praising women/scared of women, getting their ass kicked by women (Varric), acting emo, or wanting to step down their position to put a woman in charge furthering the gap.
Well... not really... and some do it with men too.... and a lot of the female characters can undergo the same treatment..... As for Varric getting pushed around by Cassandra physically, have you SEEN her? Let alone vs. him?

4.Violence against men by women seem to not be a problem and encouraged. Seen multiple times throughout the game cutscene.
If you're talking Cassandra shoving Varric around, the game portrays it in a negative light. As did Dragon Age 2, where she's meant to come off as ANTAGONISTIC for doing that

5. The only guy who actually acts/looks like a badass (Iron Bull) and showcases typical stereotype traits associated with tough males just happen to be the byproduct of a matriach.
Considering he works under the Viddasala, he IS under a matriarch. And how are Dorian, Cole, Varric, Blackwall, Cullen, and Solas NOT badass, exactly? Sure, they're not as in your face about it as Bull with his big horns, uber-muscled body, and giant two handed weapons, but they could still kick most people's asses. Yours included.

6. Even the sex scene the women takes on dominant position (e.g. Cassandra) of cowgirl so as to not put them in anyway in a submissive position.
..... literally SMH. There was no submission-esque in these relationships, aside from arguably the Iron Bull BDSM stuff (you know, where Bull takes on the dominant position)

7. Nearly everyone in your party is a woman or a flamboyant male (Dorian).[quote]There's three women. Of nine party members. If you factor in advisors, it's five of twelve. That's 1/3rd or less than half. And the only arguably flamboyant guy is Dorian which has nothing at all to do with uber-feminism and is hardly a one-dimensional gay stereotype. Nothing flamboyant at all about Solas, Iron Bull, Blackwall, Varric, Cole, or Cullen.

[quote]8. Inserts lesbian and lots of bisexuals into your main squad to fill that PC quota.
1. There have been bisexual NPCs since Dragon Age: Origins
2. This is an incredibly offensive and homophobic comment. It's not political correctness to represent LGBT people in a game. You're saying they should ONLY represent straight characters? Seriously? Or if it's simply the manner in which the representation is wrong, how should they have represented LGBT people? But do NOT tell me that an entire party of all straight people would be better written and better representative than a diverse one,

9. Genius inventor again just happens to be a woman dwarf who calls your old blacksmith way of thinking old fashion.
Yes, Bianca sucks. Everyone knows that. They tried too hard to live up to the crossbow and failed. What is your point?

10. Cassandra (if your playing as a woman) of how she's proud and happy to see a woman running the organization (disregarding competancy).
I'm fairly confident she only says that because the player IS competent. Don't forget that a female player only gets the offer BECAUSE of how competent she is. But okay, obvious feminist aspects too this. How is that a bad thing? They don't discriminate against a male inquisitor.

11. Vivien dialogue with blackwall and Iron Bull is just cringe worthy. Both these guys dialogue are written like they have no balls and just accept every insult she throws at them. Worst yet they pander up to her asking how they could help her.
Yeah, and Solas rips the Vivi a new one in almost every conversation. Dorian can hold his own in verbal sparring. Cole actually breaks down Vivi's walls and makes her insecure. Vivi rips Sera to shreds more than Bull and Blackwall combined, and she and Cassandra get into conflicts without clear cut winners. It's in character for Blackwall, who tries his best to be polite to almost everyone (and he DOES get fed up with her) and Bull, a QUNARI SPY PLOTTING TO BETRAY THE INQUISITION, to piss off as few people as humanly possible.

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Agreed, I know plenty will buy it but I wont be one of them. Bioware's PC push has pushed me away. Thankfully, there are plenty of fish in the sea :)

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This game was written by women and one gay man (David Gaider).

And yeah, I did notice some things that made this readily apparent while playing. There's no desire demons in the game, the female lead isn't pretty (short haircut, mannish features), Josephine's clothes are unattractive and the Dorian companion quest is not even a quest but rather a PSA.

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No doubt you aren't a sexist piece of human excrement and whenever a game is dominated by male characters, you post in forums and complain about that, too. Am I right?

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1. If you are playing a male PC, there are 2 men and 2 women in the war council. I think they were just trying to keep things balanced. Morrigan only joins for a bit.

2. Eh? I honestly can't tell if you're joking or not. Corypheus's main henchman was a woman. The tevinter lord in Dorian's recruitment quest was a man. There were many female villains as well as male. It was pretty balanced.

3. Have you conveniently forgotten how the same applies to many women in the game? The female Grand Enchanter gets enslaved, Cassandra has daddy issues, and Leliana holds a torch for a Warden that seems to neglect her (possibly), etc.

4. What? The PC character can stick up for Varric when Cassandra is attacking him, and Varric has no qualms about holding on to Bianca in case she tries it again.

5. Hmm...yeah all right, I guess...so...?

6. It's very archaic to think of these things in such terms. There's no submission in a union like that, or shouldn't be.

7. How on Earth are Cole, Solas and Varric flamboyant? And Blackwall?!! O_o

8. That has been the case with every Bioware game ever, pretty much, except the KOTOR series.

9. You mean Dagna? Sure. Again, how exactly does that "reek"?

10. I will concede this one, especially since in the DA universe, society is far more matriarchal than our own or similar periods in our history (female Christ figure, female-exclusive high ranking clerical positions, many female knights, only exception is that the King usually rules over the Queen). Definitely Bioware's writers showing their agendas there. There would be no reason for Cassandra to say that.

11. Nobody in the party likes Vivienne. She's like Morrigan in DA: O. But yeah, I would have liked some more back and forth. Only Varric gave her any grief at all, which is why I made sure to never take her side in anything lol.

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I won't deny for a second that Gaider and the other writers most assuredly interject their own political leanings into the game, but I will say they back it up well with the lore.

Thedas has a female Christ figure, Andraste. All three games make it clear that this has had a profound impact over time on not just the politics and religion of Thedas, but the overall culture as well. As the guy above me stated, it is a matriarchal society. Women are viewed as natural spiritual leaders and by extension, natural leaders in general.

However the series does not present women in an always-positive manner. Characters are complex. There are as many evil, psychotic or self-serving women characters in the series as there are devout ones with good morals. Same with the men. And nine tenths of all the characters in the series aren't wholly good OR evil, they are multi layered and have their own opinions. I remember how the first time I played DA:O, I absolutely freaking hated Morrigan for about half the game, but later came to really like her in a way. And now it's apparent to me in retrospect that she was actually the most well written, interesting character in the entire series.

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