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Mary Sues

posted 5 years ago by TheUltimateHippo (2250)
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To those who say that me labeling Rey as a Mary Sue is just because I have a problem with strong female characters I would like to throw this out there: Jyn Erso is not a Mary Sue

[–] jekporkins (1923) 5 years ago

Not even a little bit. She has major flaws and is actually complex.

This is such an underappreciated movie... I wish Disney would make more like this.

[–] TheUltimateHippo (2250) 5 years ago

Oh this is a very disappointing movie , Jyn is a weak character but despite her faults she is NOT a Mary Sue, she is the hero of the story but she still has to rely on others and is part of a team just like Luke was. Rey is a Mary Sue

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

This is a great Star Wars film. This and The Force Awakens may not be as good as the original trilogy but are far better than the prequels.

[–] Threadkiller (2952) 5 years ago

Eh. I thought Rogue One was just passable but also by far the best Di$ney Star Wars film. TFA was litterally cheap, recycled garbage. I enjoyed it mostly for its OT Star Wars visusl visual aesthetics. Jynn while not a great or especially memorable character was infinitely better than Rey and not a Mary Sue. I also feel Felicity Jones brought more presence & believability to her performance.

[–] MovieChatUser497 (18943) 4 years ago

Lol uh no the prequels are The Godfather compared to the Disney films. Episode III is quite good it’s right up there with the OT. VII - IX along with Rogue One and Solo are all F movies there’s nothing positive about them. They weren’t made to tell a story they were made to sell tickets and toys and to appease a political demographic.

[–] MaximRecoil (4054) 4 years ago

What are you talking about? Of course Jyn Erso is a Mary Sue; she's just not nearly as big of a Mary Sue as Rey.

When she was freed from the prisoner transport she KO'd four adult male soldiers; only that huge droid (K-2SO) with superhuman strength was able to stop her. How many grown men does it take to restrain one petite (5' 3", and probably 100 pounds) chick, anyway? More than four if she's a Mary Sue, apparently. In reality, she wouldn't stand a chance against one adult male soldier, let alone four, no matter how well trained she is. She's too small and weak for her strikes to even come close to having an incapacitating effect, not that she would be able to land any more than one (which she might land due to the element of surprise) in the first place, due to people having, you know, reflexes.

Then she KOs two or three adult male storm troopers at once (trained soldiers again) with a little baton, even though their armor would have easily negated the effects of being hit by a short, low-mass baton swung by a tiny weakling of a chick. Of course they stand there like punching bags and react to the ineffectual strikes like they've been hit by the Hammer of Thor.

Then Saw Gerrera tells us that she was his best soldier at the age of 16. LOL! Who were his other soldiers? 12-year-old chicks?

Let's see how it works in the real world where feminist script writers can't grant chicks Mary Sue status:

https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2018/11/14/a-female-soldier-has-made-it-through-the-armys-special-forces-selection/

One chick has made it through the first of four qualifying phases for becoming a Green Beret, and that was considered newsworthy:

Several women have attempted the 24-day program, part of the Special Forces Qualification Course, since then, but none have made it to the next round.

And I guarantee that the chicks who failed to make it to the next round were a good deal bigger, stronger, and more fit than Felicity Jones.

The Q course consists of four phases and lasts about a year at least, but can take almost two years depending on a soldier’s specialty and assigned foreign language.

The Green Berets are one of the last Army communities not to have female soldiers assigned.

Apparently you've become so conditioned by the Hollywood feminist fantasy of "tough chicks" over the past few decades that you think its an accurate reflection of reality. It takes the most blatant Mary Sue in the history of mainstream movies (Rey) before you notice.

[–] tom8 (2883) 4 years ago

the baton fight was very silly indeed :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiEbl4kgaU4

A Star Wars Story - Rogue One - Battle of Jedha Scene

[–] Bencuckpiro (94) 4 years ago

"she's a Mary Sue cause she punched out a few people" Jesus alt right cuck detected. Hey I saw this action movie with the rock and he dodged all the bullets and jumped 30 feet and also fought abunch of people but had no injury!! hes a Mary Sue!

lol you are sad man.

[–] MaximRecoil (4054) 4 years ago

"she's a Mary Sue cause she punched out a few people"

You replied to the wrong post. In fact, you replied to the wrong thread, given that you quoted something that no one in this thread typed.

"alt right cuck detected"

That's comically ironic, coming from the simp/cuck who has "cuck" in his username. For future reference, people who call bullshit on the feminist fantasy of "tough chicks" are the opposite of what the term "cuck" denotes.

"Hey I saw this action movie with the rock and he dodged all the bullets and jumped 30 feet and also fought abunch of people but had no injury!! hes a Mary Sue!"

He was a "force user". In the Star Wars universe, "force users" have supernatural powers. That's a fundamental part of the premise.

"lol you are sad man."

Your non sequitur is dismissed.

[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

The Rock , is not a force user , He's the star of several Fast nFurious movies , not to mention several of his own action movie vehicles , where all manner of unlikely shit happens.
But becauses he's a man its fine apparently.

See also Arnie in "Commando" i dont give a fuck how well trained he is, he was just walking around that movie shooting shit up like he was playing Doom with God Mode turned on. What a Mary Sue.

[–] MaximRecoil (4054) 4 years ago

"The Rock , is not a force user"

I assumed he was referring to the blind guy in Rogue One who "fought a bunch of people but had no injury," given that the context of this thread is Rogue One, which makes sense given that this is the Rogue One message board. He didn't capitalize "the rock," so it didn't look like a name; the first part of his sentence just looked like nonsense, and the only part of his sentence that made any sense in the context of Rogue One was the part about fighting a bunch of people without being injured.

"But becauses he's a man its fine apparently."

It's a lot closer to "fine" than when a tiny chick does it, given that The Rock and Arnold Schwarzenegger are/were both far bigger and stronger than the average man, let alone the average chick.

"See also Arnie in "Commando" i dont give a fuck how well trained he is, he was just walking around that movie shooting shit up like he was playing Doom with God Mode turned on. What a Mary Sue."

No. A Mary Sue bests people at things who should be far better at said things than the Mary Sue is. For example, the chick in Rogue One KO'ing four male soldiers who were all far bigger and stronger than her. If you're looking for a male Mary Sue, you don't need to look any further than Wesley Crusher from Star Trek: The Next Generation.

[–] Bencuckpiro (94) 4 years ago

sorry you ASSUMED I meant Star Wars, when I said an action movie (his main genre) then named him by name, the Rock, and you just made it up in your head it was about Star Wars.

NO its not a lot closer to fine. Do you have a measurement tool that shows how Her actions in rogue one are so unrealistic, yet the crap Dwayne and Vin diesel did was closer to possible? I promise you it wasn't and isnt...

im not saying that a bigger man knocking out 4 men is more believable than Jyn's doing it. Im saying all the other feats and stunts and unbelievable stuff they did was more unbelievable than Jyn's. the falling from 40 feet unscathed. the being shot and either enemies missing or them and just continuing like nothing when hit. The constant explosions barely effecting them or if it does they just get up and shake it off. oh but The rocks history as an ex military man "makes it okay" but as soon as its JYn its "unbelievable"

No that isnt what a Mary Sue is Jesus man. a Mary Sue is naturally the best and amazing at everything and doesn't have to work for anything. You are truly the most annoying and bottom feeder triggered right winger on the internet.

I believe that Rey was a horrible Mary Sue. unfortunately now people like you now just apply it to everything you dislike so you dont have to actually use your brain. go back to 4chan and tell everyone how you "owned the lib" lol

[–] MaximRecoil (4054) 4 years ago

"I replied to the correct post..."

Then you're hallucinating, because my post didn't contain the sentence that you quoted.

"yes my username is making fun of people like you."

Which means you don't know what the word means, which is comical.

"sorry you ASSUMED I meant Star Wars, when I said an action movie (his main genre) then named him by name, the Rock, and you just made it up in your head it was about Star Wars."

A person's name is capitalized, simple fellow, so typing "the rock" doesn't actually denote a name, especially when you've provided no context to indicate that you've decided to go off on a tangent in a Rogue One thread and talk about something completely unrelated. Of course I assumed you were still talking about Rogue One.

"NO its not a lot closer to fine."

Yes, it is, and I already explained why.

"Do you have a measurement tool that shows how Her actions in rogue one are so unrealistic, yet the crap Dwayne and Vin diesel did was closer to possible? I promise you it wasn't and isnt..."

You haven't even named any specific scenes from other movies (not that other movies are even relevant here), so the comparison here is a character played by The Rock KO'ing those 4 soldiers in Rogue One vs. a character played by Felicity Jones doing it. Obviously The Rock doing it is far more believable, because, instead of being far smaller and weaker than those 4 soldiers, he's far larger and stronger than any of them. According to Google:

Dwayne Johnson
Height 6' 5"
Weight 260 lbs.

Felicity Jones
Height 5' 3" (lol)
Weight 121 lbs. (lol)

"im not saying that a bigger man knocking out 4 men is more believable than Jyn's doing it. Im saying all the other feats and stunts and unbelievable stuff they did was more unbelievable than Jyn's. the falling from 40 feet unscathed. the being shot and either enemies missing or them and just continuing like nothing when hit. The constant explosions barely effecting them or if it does they just get up and shake it off."

Again, you haven't named any specific scenes from other movies, and on top of that, they are utterly irrelevant, because even if every male character in every movie ever made were a Mary Sue, it doesn't affect my original statement in the least, which was:

Of course Jyn Erso is a Mary Sue; she's just not nearly as big of a Mary Sue as Rey.

"No that isnt what a Mary Sue is"

I didn't say that was "what a Mary Sue is," simpleton. I said that's what a Mary Sue does.

"You are truly the most annoying and bottom feeder triggered right winger on the internet."

Your non sequitur is dismissed, Slow Doug.

"I believe that Rey was a horrible Mary Sue. unfortunately now people like you now just apply it to everything you dislike so you dont have to actually use your brain. go back to 4chan and tell everyone how you "owned the lib" lol"

Your non sequitur is dismissed, and LOL at "4chan." 4chan is for simps/cucks/SJWs/etc. of your ilk.

[–] Bencuckpiro (94) 4 years ago

omg this is painful

"[–] MaximRecoil (1339) 3 months ago
What are you talking about? Of course Jyn Erso is a Mary Sue; she's just not nearly as big of a Mary Sue as Rey.

When she was freed from the prisoner transport she KO'd four adult male soldiers; only that huge droid (K-2SO) with superhuman strength was able to stop her. How many grown men does it take to restrain one petite (5' 3", and probably 100 pounds) chick, anyway? More than four if she's a Mary Sue, apparently. In reality, she wouldn't stand a chance against one adult male soldier, let alone four, no matter how well trained she is. She's too small and weak for her strikes to even come close to having an incapacitating effect, not that she would be able to land any more than one (which she might land due to the element of surprise) in the first place, due to people having, you know, reflexes.

Then she KOs two or three adult male storm troopers at once (trained soldiers again) with a little baton, even though their armor would have easily negated the effects of being hit by a short, low-mass baton swung by a tiny weakling of a chick. Of course they stand there like punching bags and react to the ineffectual strikes like they've been hit by the Hammer of Thor.

Then Saw Gerrera tells us that she was his best soldier at the age of 16. LOL! Who were his other soldiers? 12-year-old chicks?""

I REPLIED TO THE CORRECT POST. do you have Alzheimers?

"Which means you don't know what the word means, which is comical." except I do. you guys are such simp cucks, that a women in a film unmans you because she did something unbelievable.. couldn't get more cucky if you tried.

[–] Bencuckpiro (94) 4 years ago

"A person's name is capitalized, simple fellow, so typing "the rock" doesn't actually denote a name, especially when you've provided no context to indicate that you've decided to go off on a tangent in a Rogue One thread and talk about something completely unrelated. Of course I assumed you were still talking about Rogue One."

too it doesn't denote a name, yet you assumed it was the name of a character in Star Wars. LOL your logic is not computing here. Oh no I mentioned action movies and the name of the worlds biggest action star and you got confused by that. Ouch. that is embarrassing

"You haven't even named any specific scenes from other movies (not that other movies are even relevant here), so the comparison here is a character played by The Rock KO'ing those 4 soldiers in Rogue One vs. a character played by Felicity Jones doing it. Obviously The Rock doing it is far more believable, because, instead of being far smaller and weaker than those 4 soldiers, he's far larger and stronger than any of them. According to Google:"

WATCH ANY ACTION MOVIE. man you re really embarrassing. Its not about KOing 4 people. its about every single action movie in existence and the stuff these men pull off.

Again, you haven't named any specific scenes from other movies, and on top of that, they are utterly irrelevant, because even if every male character in every movie ever made were a Mary Sue, it doesn't affect my original statement in the least, which was:"

ohh no I didn't name a specific scene. and now the lucky is triggered. aww sad.

"I didn't say that was "what a Mary Sue is," simpleton. I said that's what a Mary Sue does.
"

yes you called her a Mary Sue. I said she wasn't. wow this simple conversation is confusing you. you claimed "A Mary Sue bests people at things who should be far better at said things than the Mary Sue is." no that isnt what one is. by that definition every hero in every movie is one. because they normally best smoke better than them

[–] Bencuckpiro (94) 4 years ago

"Your non sequitur is dismissed, and LOL at "4chan." 4chan is for simps/cucks/SJWs/etc. of your ilk."

All im imagining is a 300 lb neckbeard cuck. im right am I not? hahaha you keep getting destroyed by everyone and them coming back, punching yourself in the balls and proclaiming victory.

please save face and stop embarrassing yourself

[–] Bencuckpiro (94) 4 years ago

lastly let me guess this straight, if I had said "in action movies arnie". but didn't capitalize "Arnie" you would have been confused? and assumed Arnie was the name of a rogue one character even though you said you didn't think it was a name because it wasn't capitalized but SIMULTANEOUSLY assumed it was the name of a rogue one character?

see how dumb you sound?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YttMvwMY-9g choose your favourite one cuckboy. this was just car action scenes. I loved at 1;30 when they flew off a ramp onto a boat and lightly went forward in the car and didn't even bump their head on the dash and were fine with no broken ribs.

I but I forgot Paul weighed 160lb and felicity jones only weighed 100lbs so she's a Mary Sue whereas its plausible that Paul walkers character Brian is immune to physics and biology and made of steel

[–] MaximRecoil (4054) 4 years ago

Why did you reply 4 times to one post, numbnuts?

"omg this is painful"

Comical Irony Alert

"I REPLIED TO THE CORRECT POST."

No, you didn't, CAPTAIN CAPS LOCK. You quoted a sentence that no one in this thread typed, therefore you replied to the wrong post.

"except I do. you guys are such simp cucks, that a women in a film unmans you because she did something unbelievable.. couldn't get more cucky if you tried."

Your laughable attempt to redefine the word "cuck" is dismissed out of hand, clodpate.

"too it doesn't denote a name, yet you assumed it was the name of a character in Star Wars."

Reading Deficiency Alert

I didn't assume it was a name at all. As I already said:

I assumed he was referring to the blind guy in Rogue One who "fought a bunch of people but had no injury," given that the context of this thread is Rogue One, which makes sense given that this is the Rogue One message board. He didn't capitalize "the rock," so it didn't look like a name; the first part of his sentence just looked like nonsense, and the only part of his sentence that made any sense in the context of Rogue One was the part about fighting a bunch of people without being injured.

"LOL your logic is not computing here."

Comical Irony Alert

"Oh no I mentioned action movies and the name of the worlds biggest action star"

Rogue One is an action movie, dumbass:

Genres
Action | Adventure | Sci-Fi
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3748528/reference

So mentioning "action movie" is no indication that you're going off on a tangent to talk about a movie or movies that are completely unrelated to the movie that this thread is about. And you didn't mention anyone's name. You typed "the rock" which isn't a name unless capitalized. As written, the first part of your sentence was simply pure nonsense that I ignored.

"and you got confused by that. Ouch. that is embarrassing"

No, I'm not embarrassed by your inability to write properly, Special Ed. I suggest a remedial reading and writing class.

"WATCH ANY ACTION MOVIE. man you re really embarrassing. Its not about KOing 4 people. its about every single action movie in existence and the stuff these men pull off."

Your non sequitur is dismissed.

"ohh no I didn't name a specific scene. and now the lucky is triggered. aww sad."

Your non sequitur is dismissed.

"yes you called her a Mary Sue."

Given that I never said that I didn't call her a Mary Sue, this is yet another non sequitur from you, as well as another Reading Deficiency Alert.

"wow this simple conversation is confusing you."

Comical Irony Alert: Part VI

"you claimed "A Mary Sue bests people at things who should be far better at said things than the Mary Sue is." no that isnt what one is."

Reading Deficiency Alert: Part VIII

In other words, ninny, there's a difference between saying what something is and giving an example of what said something does.

"by that definition every hero in every movie is one. because they normally best smoke better than them"

This is another example of your writing difficulties. "Because they normally best smoke better than them" doesn't mean anything in the English language. And no, not every hero in every movie is a Mary Sue.

"All im imagining is a 300 lb neckbeard cuck. im right am I not?"

Your laughable attempt at a crystal ball reading is dismissed, Miss Cleo.

"hahaha you keep getting destroyed by everyone and them coming back, punching yourself in the balls and proclaiming victory."

Comical Irony Alert: Part VII

"please save face and stop embarrassing yourself"

Comical Irony Alert: Part VIII

"lastly let me guess this straight, if I had said "in action movies arnie". but didn't capitalize "Arnie" you would have been confused?"

"Arnie" is a name, and only a name, dipshit. On the other hand, "the rock" is just an inanimate object that you might find in your driveway, unless it is denoted as a name by capitalization. Why do you think capitalization exists in the first place? It isn't optional.

"and assumed Arnie was the name of a rogue one character even though you said you didn't think it was a name because it wasn't capitalized but SIMULTANEOUSLY assumed it was the name of a rogue one character?"

Reading Deficiency Alert: Part IX. Again, I didn't assume it was a name at all. I dismissed that part of your sentence as pure nonsense. I assumed you were talking about the blind guy based on your description of the scene.

"see how dumb you sound?"

Comical Irony Alert: Part IX

" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YttMvwMY-9g "

Your non sequitur is dismissed, Corky. Again, other movies are utterly irrelevant to this thread, not to mention that the other movies you're referencing are shitty.

[–] Bencuckpiro (94) 4 years ago

this just reeks of neckbeard cuckery lol. "Part IX"

Omg man stop embracing yourself. kid did one philosophy class in university and now uses on sequitur whenever he can

"I didn't assume it was a name at all. I dismissed that part of your sentence as pure nonsense. I assumed you were talking about the blind guy based on your description of the scene.
"

you must not proof read the crap you write. "I didn't assume.. I just assumed"

[–] Bencuckpiro (94) 4 years ago

the cringe.... I cant even read all this... anyone who uses Roman numerals and "non sequitur is dismissed" is the biggest loser in life. I guaranteed you are overweight, a cuck and bullied constantly

[–] Bencuckpiro (94) 4 years ago

who the hell reads "I saw this action movie with the rock" and assumes I meant rogue one and that I was referring to an inanimate object, a rock... have you ever heard someone refer to a rock as "the rock"

notice how you dropped the whole Mary Sue arguement in favour of your cuck parade. I bet no one can stand you in real life.

[–] MaximRecoil (4054) 4 years ago

Three more replies to one post? Everything you posted is a non sequitur, and since you have no actual arguments, your tacit concession on the whole matter is noted. Also, since you're cluttering up my notifications page with three or four replies at a time, consisting of nothing but pure foolishness, you're now on ignore, moron.

[–] Bencuckpiro (94) 4 years ago

you are cringe. again thanks for not actually addressing he being a Mary Sue. hahaha in other words "he spoke the truth", time to get to a safe space

[–] Bencuckpiro (94) 4 years ago

"When she was freed from the prisoner transport she KO'd four adult male soldiers; only that huge droid (K-2SO) with superhuman strength was able to stop her. How many grown men does it take to restrain one petite (5' 3", and probably 100 pounds) chick, anyway? More than four if she's a Mary Sue, apparently. In reality, she wouldn't stand a chance against one adult male soldier, let alone four, no matter how well trained she is. She's too small and weak for her strikes to even come close to having an incapacitating effect, not that she would be able to land any more than one (which she might land due to the element of surprise) in the first place, due to people having, you know, reflexes.

Then she KOs two or three adult male storm troopers at once (trained soldiers again) with a little baton, even though their armor would have easily negated the effects of being hit by a short, low-mass baton swung by a tiny weakling of a chick. Of course they stand there like punching bags and react to the ineffectual strikes like they've been hit by the Hammer of Thor.
""

I replied to the correct post... "she punched some dudes then punched some there guys!!! impossible!!" you said it then deny you said it. Sad man

yes my username is making fun of people like you.

"He was a "force user". In the Star Wars universe, "force users" have supernatural powers. That's a fundamental part of the premise."

Dwayne the rock Johnson is in Star Wars now....?

[–] uridon2 (184) 4 years ago

she absolutely is a mary sue. Fuck off Disney shill

[–] Bencuckpiro (94) 4 years ago

cool except she isnt.. she isn't particularly good at anything, or remarkable. she succeeds because of teamwork. Everyone doesn't automatically like her.

[–] uridon2 (184) 4 years ago

yeah they do, and she succeeds at everything