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Is anybody upset that it turned out to be.....(spoiler)


Wirt's dream while he's drowning? Chapter 9 really threw me for a loop. I don't know if i want to be disappointed or be in love with it.

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I was a bt dissapointed at first, but after rethinking about it, it's actually not as bad. If you rewatch the last part, the frog showed itself glowing hinting it might not have been completely a dream.

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I actually don't think that it was a dream. I interpreted it as they were dying, and the land they were sent to was some sort of limbo between our world and the afterlife. Which explains all the talk about souls, death and angelic / demonic type creatures they come across. In the end Greg chooses to live and that is why he wakes back up right as he is sinking in the water.

There is a hint in the second episode where the giant pumpkin states, you will join us one day, IE death.

This is merely my opinion. I could be one hundred percent off on what the story was saying, but that is the wonderful thing about a show like this. It is open for interpretation, and the audience (like the creators) are allowed to let their imagination expand with each possible nuance of the overall story.

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Jane_the_Whywolf that is a very good question, and I think that depends on whether you believe that Beatrice and her family were in the same situation as Wirt and Greg or if they belong to the land beyond the garden.

If they were in the same situation, then I think that perhaps their turning back into human's could be interpreted as they have passed on to whatever waits for us beyond death. Furthermore one possible reason for Beatrice wanting the scissors harkens back to Greek mythology, namely Atropos who uses sheers to cut the string of each person's fate and thus cause their death. Thus the scissors could be a symbol of their passing over.

However, due to their strange situation and how they were transformed in the first place they may be from the land beyond the garden wall to begin with and are merely cursed individuals and nothing more. The land is strange for Wirt and Greg, because they are not from there. It is almost like Dorthy in Oz. They are the outsiders, witnessing a strange new land, but Beatrice could be from there, that is why she may know so much of the odd lands, and its inheritance. This strengthens the possibility that they are already from this land, as opposed to lost spirit's.

There is a third option, that I have been toying with, that may actually combines the two. NobodysPOEt, helped me to formulate it a bit more. All the creatures and individuals that the brother's meet are actually lost spirits that have either decided to stay there or were stuck due to circumstances beyond their control. This is made possible because each and every situation that Greg and Wirt find themselves in have someone, or something who are either, macabre, miserable, afraid or searching for something. The brothers help them find it at the end of each episode, and thus their problems are solved. That is why at the end of the last episode every being that the boy's encounter are much happier, and satisfied. This could be determined that they have either passed on to a better existence (thus we are shown happier outcomes for everyone), or they are living happier lives in this odd land that may be a limbo or an Oz type of land. Either way the brothers have improved all of their lives and made them better for it.

Personally I could go either way with what her family is and where they are at the end. I think that the former is a bit more touching(in a poetic sense), but the latter is happier.

Again this is just my interpretation of the material. I could be going completely out of left field from what the creators had in mind.

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To me they made it clear that it wasn't a dream in the hospital scene in the last episode when the belly of Greg's frog lit up from the bell. Also doesn't really make sense to me that Greg would return the rock at the end if his confession in the woods and his guilt about stealing it were only part of Wirt's dream.

In adding to the death interpretation, I wanted to point out that in the 9th chapter in a couple of the scenes in the cemetery, you can see there is a tombstone with "Quincy Endicott" on it. Could be interpreted as Greg and Wirt's run in with him occurred after Quincy's death.

The name of the forest in "The Unknown" maybe alluding to mankind's inability to see what happens after we die. It is unknown to us, so maybe its a reference to death.

Another theory I had was that maybe Greg and Wirt traveled back in time. Especially since the narrator in the beginning of Chapter 1 says "Somewhere, lost in the clouded annals of history, lies a place that few have seen." Goes along with the presence of Quincy Endicott's tombstone. Would also maybe explain the colonial atmosphere of the boys' journey.

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could be, but there's actually a mix of time periods so time travel is less likely. most of the setting is antebellum America, but the Quincy episode seems to be in the 1700s. Also, Lorna is dressed like a Puritan. I suppose different parts of the forest have different time periods though.

Angharad, is that the wind, or just a furious fixation?

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Whatever the 'real' story... let's all admit that it was utterly brilliant in its telling.

I think we'd all feel a bit let down if we knew what REALLY happened in entirety.

The best storytellers of all know how much NOT to tell, and how not to tell it!

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I was a bit disappointed. I am at the point right now with stories that I don't care if they are neatly wrapped up or totally explained. I was a bit sad to find out they were in modern times, and not at least in the 1800's, but then after a bit I got used to it.

The one thing I will say that I enjoyed, was that they make it accessible by adding the modern humor. I love Miyazaki, but sometimes I find him a bit distant because of the cultural differences. I feel like the comments on the oddities of the story from the characters were actually fun. Normally I like a world to feel self-contained and committed to its illusion, but somehow I was okay with the breaks in the story, and in the end because we find out they are from the modern world it made sense.

BUT I did not care for these comments and style of humor at the end in the last episode. I feel like I wanted it to be more about the heart at that point, and not so cavalier with the story. It just felt very rushed at the end and I was disappointed that they didn't take more time with Beatrice, or the transition from the Unknown back to the water and their modern world.

I don't know. I feel like the epilogue could have had more heart.

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