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3/10 for Huppert's performance, the rest is the most ridiculus trash.


My main problems with the film:

-Two posh middle-aged women that run a gaming company?

-The game looks like it was made for the playstation two, the demonstration of it at the launch-party runs with approx. 10 fps, nice game, 1/10 would throw it into the bin, who is the director trying to fool?

-The main character is implausible. Her father shooting people from door to door, her consequential lack of empathy and coldness, the way she behaves after getting raped, her excuse for not calling the police (afraid of publicity which could ruin her career and everything she built) is illogical since she is the victim. Being a victim of rape again in another false light; depicted as something shameful.

-The neighbour is the epitome of a cliché rapist in film; the nice guy next door with the party in the basement. I knew that he was the guy the first time I saw him.

-Religion/Belief abused to legitimize his deeds, can't people just be sick? It's one of the oldest shoes.

-The son. Hands down, the most cringe-worthy character I have ever seen. Yes yes, I got it, he just wants to be a nice daddy and is generally depicted as utterly stupid, but cmon, his girlfriend gives birth to a black kid and he is happy about it, sure.

-Because there are not enough shalllow characters yet, let's introduce the lesbian friend who admires her for her whole life and adds nothing to the plot!

I could look over one or two aspects, for example that these women are supposed to run a gaming company, but all of this together is just the most ridiculus pile of cinematic garbage I have seen in a good time, it looks like Verhoeven tried to fuse Basic Instinct with La Pianiste and the outcome is just beyond horrible.

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I think you need to be familiar with Verhoeven. He tends to have a darkly satirical edge stamped in his films.

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I don't think that I need to be familiar with a director before giving my verdict for one film.

P.S I've seen Basic Instinct and it is the same soup, again just carried by a strong actress.

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Absolutely agree with everything you said.

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This and Civil war are among the worst films of the year in 2016. Never I was so dissapointed by a film.

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I think the film challenges the viewer in how
rape has been captured in cinema before. The
men in this film are weak, the women remain strong.
After the rape, her reaction is stoic. She isn't one
to let it affect her. I questioned her motives for not
going to the police, but once I learned of her story
with her father, I understood her distrust for the police.

At that time, I'm sure it was a male dominated department,
which only hardened her into her adult life.

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Perfect summery & I completely agree with you.

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Indeed. As a 50 y/o female myself, and suspecting that the rapist was among my entourage (as are pretty well ALL rapes), I may well have preferred to do my own investigation rather then getting idiotic police forces involved who accomplish NOTHING against rapists, and drag victims through a nasty court system for years.

Having finally settled my doubts upon 1-2-3 males, I may well indeed tempt fate to flush out the rapist.

But these actions involved a psychological state of mind that is simply not the state of mind of most women (though it MIGHT be my own). In order to place oneself in that calm state given such distressing situations (break-n-enters, text-messages, cum on bed, etc, etc) requires inhuman resolve. One can imagine a trauma desensitised person being able to cope with the rape in order to exact revenge, but the remainder of the life intrusions 100% deserved and required police attention. Police have better success rates when there is evidence such as break-n-entry and cum left on the scene.

I think Verhoeven fetishes this type of women, glamourises her (me), but in such glamourisation, basically disses on all women who do not have this degree of pain in their lives that would make this slow burn revenge possible.

As far as revenge movies go, I prefer J.Lo in Enough, or Jodie Foster in The Brave One, where one experiences violence, then runs away and transforms into an attacker, then beats the *beep* out of the guy/s. That seems more feasible to me.
The slow burn presented in this is an inhuman feat in my opinion, and plays more like a male fetish rather than female empowered.

Notwithstanding, Isabelle Huppert, as usual, gives such an amazing performance, it wipes out many other female acting performances.

I may decide to never watch another Verhoeven movie ever again. If this movie is a reflection of his place in his life (as frankly most films big occasional directors are), it is a sign that like with many other aging directors, he's looking towards fetishised women to allieve his lonely old man fantasies. Though I love revenge films, he has succeeded in making me hate his work and to re-examin previous projets.

***So I've seen 4 movies/wk in theatre for a 1/4 century, call me crazy?**

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<< I may decide to never watch another Verhoeven movie ever again. If this movie is a reflection of his place in his life... >>

You might want to watch his early 80's Dutch film THE FOURTH MAN. It's very funny (and sexy) and has a great lead performance. It's my favorite of his films....very sophisticated and well made.
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Indeed. As a 50 y/o female myself, and suspecting that the rapist was among my entourage (as are pretty well ALL rapes), I may well have preferred to do my own investigation rather then getting idiotic police forces involved who accomplish NOTHING against rapists, and drag victims through a nasty court system for years.

Having finally settled my doubts upon 1-2-3 males, I may well indeed tempt fate to flush out the rapist.

But these actions involved a psychological state of mind that is simply not the state of mind of most women (though it MIGHT be my own). In order to place oneself in that calm state given such distressing situations (break-n-enters, text-messages, cum on bed, etc, etc) requires inhuman resolve. One can imagine a trauma desensitised person being able to cope with the rape in order to exact revenge, but the remainder of the life intrusions 100% deserved and required police attention. Police have better success rates when there is evidence such as break-n-entry and cum left on the scene.

I think Verhoeven fetishes this type of women, glamourises her (me), but in such glamourisation, basically disses on all women who do not have this degree of pain in their lives that would make this slow burn revenge possible.

As far as revenge movies go, I prefer J.Lo in Enough, or Jodie Foster in The Brave One, where one experiences violence, then runs away and transforms into an attacker, then beats the *beep* out of the guy/s. That seems more feasible to me.
The slow burn presented in this is an inhuman feat in my opinion, and plays more like a male fetish rather than female empowered.

Notwithstanding, Isabelle Huppert, as usual, gives such an amazing performance, it wipes out many other female acting performances.

I may decide to never watch another Verhoeven movie ever again. If this movie is a reflection of his place in his life (as frankly most films big occasional directors are), it is a sign that like with many other aging directors, he's looking towards fetishised women to allieve his lonely old man fantasies. Though I love revenge films, he has succeeded in making me hate his work and to re-examin previous projets.

***So I've seen 4 movies/wk in theatre for a 1/4 century, call me crazy?**

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I would rank Isabelle Hubbert's performance a bit higher, but I agree this film is inexplicable ridiculous trash. Horribly written and conceived. This feels like the sort of film that would have been made decades ago with the intention of being "edgy," but now it just feels clueless.

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>>>This feels like the sort of film that would have been made decades ago with the intention of being "edgy,"

Like, say The Piano Teacher?

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I found "The Piano Teacher" extremely edgy, even to the point that I wouldn't use quotation marks.

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