http://variety.com/2014/biz/news/expendables-3-piracy-legal-action-1201307982/
shareI get that pirating is wrong but I doubt that would happen over a small indie film like this
shareDude do you really think a company like Magnet or whoever owns this has the same amount of capital and power to do something like they did with The Expendables 3? Also why should we be careful to watch/download films online? They can't sue 2.2 million people (that's he number of downloads for Expendables 3) they can only try to sue the poster and let's be honest, that almost never happens.
You guys should really get your *beep* together and start focusing o marketing this movie properly. Really you guys could buy let's say 2000 actual VHS tapes, fill them with cryptic footage and clips from the film and just dropping them randomly on the streets and roads, that would really get some buzz. Also you should stop BS'ing us and tell what the he'll happened to Gorgeous Vortex, people are really getting pissed off about that. You guys have failed miserably marketing this film.
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You are aware that pirating is stealing, right? Regardless of whether or not you are personally sued. Personally, I always make sure to pay for my copy of indie movies (or see them in the theater if they're offered). I must be getting old and cranky.
I'm not picking on you in particular, every other commentor on here said the same thing.
Anyways, that type of marketing worked well for The Ring, but most people still had VHS players back then. How many people still have one laying around? I got rid of mine in 2004 (and I was the last of my friends still stubbornly clinging to it). I do think since the whole theme is "viral" they should have worked harder to have viral videos on youtube or something - if I hadn't specifically looked to see if there was a sequel, I would never have known about this! Paranormal ACtivity 2 wasn't my favorite movie, but they did a great job with viral marketing.
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"You are aware that pirating is stealing"
It's funny how libraries didn't kill the book industry and all that is, is sharing books, films etc.
If you had no money in your wallet and watched it for free, how did the movie company lose money again? if you stole it and sold it they should sue you to high heaven, but having the senses tickled by Audio and video waves hitting your brain not worth suing over imo.
I agree.
Stealing and enjoying entertainment without payment are a bit different.
Often times studios give out free passes to check out their films. I've been to a few of those. It's a great marketing ploy to get your friends/family/co-workers/blog readers interested, if it is good of course. If it's not good and they take comments, it's good for them to grow as film makers.
But even when they don't invite people to watch for free, people watch for free all the time. We have all done this. No one can say they personally paid for every film they've seen. We've all seen a movie in a class room. We have all been to a friend's house and watched their copy of a movie. We are all guilty of enjoying things we didn't pay for.
But either way one can question whether the seller's price for any piece of momentary entertainment is worth their set price. Many of us will wait til the price seems reasonable. There are many films on my want list that if were sold for under $10 on bluray, I'd buy it in an instant. Most of these films I watched for free and are awaiting that day I see it for a good price to own. I've done that with the Alien franchise, and countless others in my media library. If the seller is too greedy, than that's their choice.
Most people in this world can't afford to spend $20-30 on every movie they wish to see. They simply can't. But they can enjoy it once and recommend it... maybe to someone that can afford such a price. Is it so wrong for them to have a couple of hours of joy in their life now and then when this world has been so hard on them? Must they always choose food and forgo fun? It's unheard of on the other hand for film makers to go hungry due to film pirating. Like any employee working on a film would have their wages taken away due to someone else pirating the film?
To me, degrading people for watching a movie for free is literally trying to shame the poor into wasting away. It's sickening. People have no compassion if they are going to worry about this, and not worry that CEOs get paid 350 times more than the average worker. Who's really doing injustices here?
In a way, "pirating" has a legitimate place in entertainment, both movies and music.
I'm sick to death of getting an album or movie, sight-unseen or sound-unheard, just because the on-the-box blurbs look good, or the cover's cute, whatever, listen to or watch it, then feel like I just got suckered for 10-20bux. Problem is, I can't return it!
If I get a shirt or shorts at Target, and it starts fraying or just looks lousy quality on closer inspection, I can return it, and I cheerfully get a refund. I can't do that with an audio/video disc. The SOBs in the industry snicker and say, "Haha, sucker!!", and I'm stuck. So, if I happen to "borrow" someone's copy first to preview it, then I can get a better feel as to whether/not I want a permanent copy of my own. And I've got (literally) a closet full of dvds 2-levels-deep on each shelf to prove it. And with the legit disc, I get the director's commentary, the outtakes, the extras, and other features, etc.
And what about *ALL* my dvd discs I've collected over the years that I'd want to upgrade to high-def like blu-ray? Rebuy all of them?? I went through that once already turning my collection of vinyl to polycarbonate, and it was painful. Painfully expen$ive, that is.
If the aforementioned SOBs in the industry had their way, it'd be illegal for you or me to sell our used discs online, even! Unless that law was actually passed, I don't recall how it came out. Ie, you'd try to sell your dvd collection to buy blu-rays, legitimately, and Ebay, Amazon, or whoever would (have to) pull your ads and you'd be stuck with them!
And what about a tv series or movie that was never released on dvd, but someone has at least a crappy vhs-rip? I'd buy the legit discs in a second, but I *CAN'T*, because they don't exist!
So those SOBs aren't losing a penny, and can't claim such, if they don't release what people actually *want*. Yet they claim that piracy puts people out of work, keeps artists from coming out with new albums, all that rot. Bloody liars. They're the worst bottomfeeders out there.
As for current or in-theater releases, okay, there's no real excuse to just wait a few weeks for the damned dvd to come out, I admit, but I haven't been to the theaters in years. I've had it with the temperature being cold enough to hang meat in there, with obscenely loud blaring commercials and ads before the movie giving me a headache, inconsiderate boors on their cellphones during the movie, or even just people talking throughout the movie, coughing and spreading their ebola to everyone in range, lousy kids whining to their parents for more jujyfruits, whatever. My last visit to the theater was hellish and miserable, and I have no desire to repeat it.
Okay, I take that back, maybe there *IS* a legit reason to pirate "The Expendables" or "Mockingjay" or whatever, before the discs get released.
If the industry weren't so arrogant and unresponsive to what its *CUSTOMERS* want (maybe they should look up that word!!), maybe there wouldn't be any issue of piracy to begin with.
You know how many times I bought a copy of Zeppelin II? First on vinyl, then on crappy quality cassette, and then on CD, and then on remastered CD, and then on reremastered CD? Literally about 15 times...multiply that by 10 Zeppelin albums, and multiply that by 100 other bands' catalogs. I am sick of making Jimmy Page rich off of the same old music. I have no qualms with bootlegging. I have paid many times over to hear/see/attend/decorate my room with Jimmy Page stuff. (that's how I justify it to myself)
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Well... I consider Sony owning the copyright to the Martin Luther King speech stealing too.
I like to pay for my independent movies and support the artists that I like, but... that game the big industry is playing... that I don't like.
Is someone on the internet actually telling people that pirating is stealing? LOL I'm done. Do you know where you are..? Do you know that most people don't really care here?
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If a movie deserves my money it might get it.
This will lead to no movies being produced you say?
Are you a prophet or something?
Anyhow, I don't do bets so *beep* off, will ya? =)
You are aware that pirating is stealing, right?
Who cares?
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LOLOLOLOL! the people behind VHS:Viral WISH they could afford to do that. what a joke. i own both VHS and VHS 2 on dvd, was gonna buy this one too but now i will definitely be torrenting this just because *beep* like this annoys the hell out of me.
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shareglad i did torrent it, because the movie is garbage and a complete embarrassment when compared to the other two.
and in a logical, popular phrase '*beep* off' :)
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<<snipped>>of The Expandables 3?
If you're going to talk about "stealing" The Running Man was before Battle Royale. The book version is almost exactly the same just with cosmic horror. Twilight is more like a teen version of Southern Vampire Mysteries. It pays to read and watch, one can make accurate correlations. Your rant against Lionsgste is absurd but amusing. There are good and regular people doing their jobs and you want others to rob them? All the movies you mention as good were/are not seen as financially viable. Hence DTV sequels or wide release sequel bait. They have more of a cult status. Are you so into violence that you see PG-13 as bad? The Second Expandables had more gore than any american horror film I've seen. The only ultra violent movies of the past I can think of, are Robocop and maybe T2. And both were marketed for kids, I know because I still have the action figures. This is how you rant, yo. 😎
shareRepresentin'
sharestealing? robbery?
Who actually had their wages stolen out from their bank account due to The Expendables 3 being released online? If anyone did, I'm sure it's the person who actually took the film out of it's vault and duplicated it... breaking their employee contract. The guy that brought Jason Statham a bagel didn't lose his check. Sylvester Stallone didn't go hungry after this happened.
If you truly believe that watching a movie online is robbing people, then your world view is skewed. There are people without clean water, people being fined for washing their car during a drought, while a nearby water bottling company gets all the water they want out from under the people's feet to ship out across the land. That's stealing. Unfortunately it's also not a crime because the regular common folk don't have lobbyists to write laws to work for them.
Quality screeners being leaked used to be pretty common up until a few years ago actually. There was a period of time when it was almost guaranteed to see either a screener or workprint for all major releases. I remember Wolverine: Origins was one of them, an unfinished workprint was leaked weeks before the theatrical release that was around 90% complete.
shareExcept they made a ruling that individuals could not be persecuted over downloading copyrighted content, you can only take legal action against people who are distributing the material...and simply torrenting one does not fall under those guidelines. They can send out cease and desist notices via your ISP but the studios are pretty powerless when it comes to your average person pirating a single movie.
Not to mention if you belong to a private torrenting site you have to agree to the TOS which typically specify that any IP logging of individuals is illegal...meaning you couldn't use them to form a case in the first place.
Don't get fooled by silly little threats.
you can only take legal action against people who are distributing the material...and simply torrenting one does not fall under those guidelines.
Yes I do, because that's how it works. When you sign up for private torrent trackers you enter in to a legal agreement. Also most torrent trackers are not housed in the U.S. but in foreign countries with far looser pirating laws meaning anti-piracy agencies can't do jack squat without the their governments consent and cooperation which rarely happens.
And like I said, seeding a torrent doesn't fall under the category of distribution, they can not take individual action against a person in this country for it. That's how the law works.
How do you think millions of people get away with it every single day? You should try reading up before commenting, your imagination doesn't trump reality.
Plus there is the option of streaming.
No one, not even your internet provider, can bother you for opening a web link and clicking play. Even YouTube has free movies up on their servers, and no one can stop you or threaten you for watching them. And while you watch them, you are technically downloading them, and merely have to save the file to keep it for a later viewing.
Your tracker being foreign offers you exactly zero legal protection.
There is some practical protection, but no legal protection. You're still committing the exact same violation.
You are laughably uninformed.
Wait... Wait.. You didn't get an IMDB account until 2007? Ahahaha, my 1999 one was my 2nd one. I was online in 1988. You obviously haven't been paying attention. Stop spouting b.s. You have a huge ego to be so insistent and so factually incorrect.
Go subscribe to the TorrentFreak RSS and actually read up for a few years before opening your stupid mouth again.
Yea, bet you probably don't even know how to follow an RSS feed.
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You are incorrect.
shareDifferent states have different laws. Federally they could definitely make a case, the laws are in flux so YOU ARE NOT protected. It's the same as the old FBI warnings on video. They just won't tell you that until after you're arrested. If they don't prosecute they can monitor you, slow down your internet or confiscate your computers and build a case against you. The studios wouldn't get anything but they could definitely make an example out of you. I'm not saying you're wrong, though. Actually the studios can sue you just to make your life difficult. It's not about winning or going to court they just have more money and better lawyers than most. Don't be fooled by thinking the law is on you side when it comes to tech based crimes.
shareNot to mention that there are sites that allow you to to just stream the films and download them. So you arent distributing anything, simply viewing a file that is hosted in a different country and many different servers. I have zero problems with pirates, do you really think a leaked version of a major studio film is going to take a major hit in the box offices if it gets leaked online? Or even small indie films, they wont take a hit because they get limited release anyway so it dosent really matter. In fact sometimes a leak is a good thing for a film, it could help build up hype and word of mouth...that is if its actually good!
sharePiracy is stealing? So is 'creative accounting' done by the major studios all the time to ensure they don't have to share profits with their workers. According to Lucasfilm, Return of the Jedi despite having earned $475 million at the box-office against a budget of $32.5 million, "has never gone into profit". People who had a 'net profit' share deal with the studio never saw a red cent.
shareActually, it depends on the contracts signed. If there is a profit and you don't see any money you should have negotiated better. Yes, piracy is stealing that's what a pirate does.
shareIt's obvious you have a vested interest in arguing this.
shareI don't, I'm invested in knowledge. I guess everyone just happens to be well verse in media laws. Obviously, based on others false ASSUMPTIONS of law, I'm the crazy one, no?  What was the point of your comment, again?
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You are the crazy one...because you're 100% wrong when it comes to this topic. There's a reason it's so difficult to take down mass torrent trackers like Piratebay and Kickass...because they're housed in other countries and require the cooperation of THEIR governments to do anything. The best companies can do is have your ISP send out cease and desist orders, which only allows them to cancel your service...not persecute you or offer up your private internet history.
You're confusing government powers with the private sector and you are completely wrong in your understanding of it. Either that or you're one of the shills that goes around spreading false information to scare the uninformed. The laws you think you know about were never passed.
Some small time filmmakers even ask people to watch their film for free, because they know it ultimately helps their bottom line when you recommend it to others.
Some big time entertainment creators often make fun of anti-piracy laws because they know the whole thing is ridiculous.
You can't scare people into paying you for things they can't afford. Money doesn't come from the tears of children.
That's just simply not true and it does not happen. In the early days of file sharing yes some companies did this but that's because there was a lack of laws and regulation. The SOPA debate and the regulations that came about after that changed how the laws work regarding digital piracy.
They only go after distributors, not some nameless and faceless IP among millions. What they can do is send cease and desist orders through your ISP, but your ISP has no legal obligation to share your personal information with other private organizations.
You're just fear mongering, it's not based in anything realistic. Well unless you have actual illegal content like child porn or something. And even then it takes forever for them to put a proper sting operation together.
There is no fear mongering, just people unaware. They know exactly who you are. Are you seriously saying they don't? If a hacker can easily access your info so can the government. A skilled P.I. could do it. Do you even realize the news NEVER TALKS ABOUT TECH CRIMES unless it involves national security or celebrities. Everything else gets BRIEFLY mention or not reported at all. Technology moves faster than law, there are very few laws and regulations. Why do you think people are upset at Facebook's "privacy" or the whole NSA mess. Very few people that make movies and music like piracy. It only benefits you if you are ALREADY making money or don't care about money. If you think they will only arrest you for child pornography, you are wrong. I'm not saying it is wide spread or always going to happen. Like anything with police and lawyers, it's if they feel like it. Which means 9/10 times they don't, but there WILL always be that 1. Like I said before, the laws are in flux and not in your favor. There is no protocol yet because an all encompassing law has NOT been passed. If you want to be in denial that is your right, just don't be shocked if you're that 1.
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You're so full of sh*t and have no idea what you're talking about. Private companies such as production studios do not have access to your private information. The government can issue a warrant for your ISP to turn over specific information to them if it fits certain guidelines, or they can issue warrants to private sites such as Facebook and Google to hand over specific information if it's part of an investigation.
But some copyright company or production company DOES NOT HAVE THAT POWER. Your ISP has no obligation to hand that information over to them, they are not the authorities. Some "PI" would have absolutely no way to get that sort of information and the cost of perusing a ridiculous action like that, especially when they wouldn't even be able to prosecute you SINCE YOU CAN'T BE CHARGED FOR DOWNLOADING COPYRIGHTED CONTENT ONLY DISTRIBUTING IT, would be entirely counter productive and a pointless waste of money. And once again simply seeding a torrent does not count as distribution.
On top of that if you're part of a private torrent tracker in order to get you IP a person would either have to be on the same seeded torrent as you or the website would have to hand that information over. In the case of a torrent tracker being housed on a server outside of the U.S., companies have to get involved with their government to force that website to hand over that private information, which most countries simply do not do. If someone pulls your IP from the torrent itself on a private tracker that would mean they signed a TOS agreement agreeing that they can not do anything with that information making it useless in a court system.
Once again you're full of sh*t and have no idea what you're talking about or how the law works in this country or other countries. The NSA is a government agency it is not Warner Bros.
If you are going to attempt a debate try using what I've actually said. You just skimmed a random part of a longer conversation. I pretty much said exactly what you said. What are you talking about? I never said what you said I said. Try reading all of my post. I'm only talking about America so you wasted your time and assumed wrong. Where did I confuse the private sector and government? It's more a case of lost in translation. I was addressing a specific topic. You have over generalized my stance because I can't possibly put in all the finer details of my point. Your argument is invalid because you did not use anything I said in the proper context. You make it sound like a private company and the government would never team up. It happens all the time. My post said it is unlikely for action to be taken. The laws you speak do and don't exist at the same time. I explained how that's possible in the same post. I'm amused you think my argument is different than. Humans....
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They know exactly who you are. Are you seriously saying they don't? If a hacker can easily access your info so can the government. A skilled P.I. could do it.
I've waited a long time for this. Disney/Marvel did exactly what I said. And, just like I said, it was swept under the rug in the media. So, I was and still am correct. Also, based on what's been revealed in the past 8 months, the world and lack of internet laws are just a I descibed. Your argument against me was weird. I was using history and law. Why would you debate facts, those weren't opinions. You need more than a Google search to topple me. That's the end of that chapter! Gaaaaaaaame Ooooovvvvvver! Right next to me is my copy of West's Buisness Law, one of the MANY law books I own. I wasn't a troll, I'm the real deal. Suck on that! 😘
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No they didn't. You are laughably uninformed.
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