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If we lived in a perfect or at the very least...

posted 7 years ago by TheMan18 (12489)
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... a far more CIVILIZED world, whether just today or always or at least for the very most part, would we even HAVE "gender wars", the need for such movements as "feminism" or *mostly I shudder" "MRAs" (let alone ones that defend BAD men and often very selfish and criminally offensive violent "desires" and "traits" they often have and possess) and the argumentative battles between them as such, controversial and frequently hot topics and social issues, internet flame wars happening around them on sites like reddit, tumblr, yahooanswers or anywhere else?

Wouldn't it then be easy and OK to just approach and judge problems on their own merits, let police handle most of the criminal stuff, divide things into simple "good" and "bad" terms or even "good" and "evil", not have potential criminals have any thoughts that resemble anything along the lines of "rape culture" and just have good men and people condemn the evil bastards who do those deeds, and/or even indulge in other horrible however less acts of abuse like hitting people or even murder, and leave "society" untouched and mostly out of it?

And have laws and morals that work properly, with appropriate sentences for crimes, more education, have less repeat offenders and the kind of jail systems that rehabilitate offenders of any age, race, gender etc and please civilians albeit not in an evil "he will get violated (you know what I mean) in prison for doing this and that etc" faux schadenfreude-like mentality, which is as wrong for being offensive as it is in the combatting of ACTUAL societal problems, for those other prisoners may well take it out on innocent people who haven't done anything too seriously wrong and the victims may become dangers to society too - point is, we don't have simple and stupid thoughts like that cloud our or anyone else's judgment.

And this should not be limited to Europe, America, Canada etc, it should be like this in ALL of OUR HUMANITY, no matter how rich or poor etc.

[–] TheMan18 (12489) 7 years ago

I'd love to hear Cassie Jaye herself attempt to answer all of that, maybe even write an essay on why "Life is not like an action movie, and good guys don't defeat evil bad guys and live happily ever after" and talk about how in life, there may always be exceptions even to the vast majority of incredibly COMMON patterns of injustices faced by humanity every day and talk about what we can or even SHOULD be able to do about it, plus about what types of emotions we must have in accordance to some or other issues, and avoid internet flame wars when discussing such matters on forums, no matter if its reddit, yahooanswers, ilovephilosophy.org or even HERE, but then again, humanity is arguably the same ANYWHERE, right?

Having said all this, just ignoring certain problems and not talking about it and letting "other people or parties handle it", even if it IS intended in the name of GOOD and JUSTICE, in real life, doesn't just make it all go away, right?

And it does seem like a LOT of people on this planet of over 8 BILLION people and thousands of years of human existence, well, there may be a LOT OF GOOD people but there are a lot of EVIL ones as well, and fact of the matter is, you could never QUITE tell who is who, right, so erring on the side of caution is a must, right?

[–] TheMan18 (12489) 7 years ago

Plus, there is an EVOLUTION of CONTROVERSIES surrounding the stance and existence of many legal issues, with people, correctly and not so much, often noticing how laws are NEVER 100% fair and for the best of everyone, and that they either OVER or UNDER react on certain issues, but even with the incredible common failures of the law, as well as the fact that it often makes with evidence life worse for the victims, NO ONE seems to want for laws to JUST disappear and allow vigilante justice to take place, and even when vigilante justice does happen in real life, it often involves, however rare it is by comparison to ACTUAL guilty people doing their horrid deeds AND getting away with it in real life, the WRONG people getting hurt and (sometimes) even killed in the process, and many people often look at THAT side of the issue as a separate however smaller problem, thinking along the lines of "But let's not forget how many ACTUAL offenders either get away with it or get very light sentences, again, by LAW" rather than something along the lines of, er, "Well, yes the original issue is a problem but as you can see, vigilante justice isn't the answer EITHER", and this even goes towards say films that are acclaimed and deal with issues along those lines (think of Thomas Vinterberg's acclaimed and controversial Danish drama "The Hunt" (2012) starring Mads Mikkelsen). (Of course, I am sadly often aware of the exact and COMMONLY opposite problem, like with sadly MANY people in the world thinking those original issues are "OK" and blame the victims, but I don't even consider those people rational human beings and wonder if we should just try and professionally ignore them and not give them ANY credit and publicity - although I sometimes wonder why myself, because I for one just CANNOT imagine ME having THEIR thoughts and mentalities - and do those people just don't CARE about the LAW and MORALITY and do they have NO empathy whatsoever, imagine what would happen if law DIDN'T exis

[–] TheMan18 (12489) 7 years ago

t, what would stop THOSE people from hurting others and proving that - "Dear God, psychopaths and evil people are just around the corner and that they exist in FAR larger numbers than many can even BEGIN to fathom."

Come to think of it, why can't LAWS be SAME EVERYWHERE on this planet, and how come even in AMERICAN States, one can get DIFFERENT sentences for SAME or SIMILAR misdeeds - what IS the secret to all of it, and do lawmakers like EVER think about "How civilized THEY are" compared to us simple Joe Schmoes, Joe Averages and John Smiths of the world?

And on totally DIFFERENT sides - OK, so by LAW one DOESN'T get jailed for doing something terrible, but the victim and their family thinks the person HAS done something terrible and deserves to be condemned for such actions? Should the victim and their family immediately FORGIVE the person and think it wasn't anything wrong? (Doesn't have to be TOO serious or damaging an offense like sexual violence, battery or even murder (well, obviously) for that matter, could be statutory r*pe, or inappropriately touching someone's bottom, or slapping someone in the face, or stealing someone's possession(s), or ACCIDENTALLY running them over and injuring them etc.) And what IF the victim and their family does NOT forgive them, should the person just disappear and stay away from them? What if victim starts seeking revenge or constantly shaming them in some or other ways - and would law be CORRECT to STOP them or even OTHER people and WHY?

Basically, IN ALL OF THIS TALK, who ultimately IS wrong and who is right and why/how, thanks.

[–] TheMan18 (12489) 6 years ago

Yeah, our life overall sure IS complex, complicated, and it doesn't make much sense, and it isn't necessarily divided into simple good versus evil categories either (though many and more BAD things surely DO happen in it), it isn't like it is in the movies and what some people MAY imagine it is, it is what it is and we as humans will always struggle and fight, with injustices, evil and ignorance being the factors that, whether we want to or not, will always surround us.

And no, emotional battle stances aside, especially on the internet, we do not have anything even remotely resembling a perfect solution to it all.

[–] AnubisRaydeen (7897) 2 years ago

You publisher wanted me to bump this. (I didn't read any of it. Too many extra words like "and otherwise" and "in general."

[–] TheMan18 (12489) 2 years ago

Haha, cool. :)

[–] TheMan18 (12489) 2 years ago

Maybe if I become a filmmaker, I would try and make a movie or a documentary about those types of topics. Good versus evil. Life and how it is different than the movies. And in some ways I may at least TRY to answer some questions that some naive folks may ask of a naive variety, even if yes I am aware that in this life, you cannot please everyone, and I bet my work will ALSO receive some major and blunt non-subtle criticism and authoritarian opinions, lol.