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Anothr pile of anti-Iranian hogwash


Aaaaah, yes, another month - yet ANOTHER film presenting Jews as victims. This time it's during the Iranian Revolution (you know, that coup which was intended to put a western stooge in place but wound up spectacularly backfiring in Washington's face) where all the western-sponsored parasites who were sucking Iran dry had to hightail it out of the country. In this newest load of fiction masquerading as history, it's 1979 and some poor (actually rich) jews have to leave Tehran on account of that nasty Khomeni dude seizing power. Which is a bit like communists being persecuted after Mao came into power! The reality is this: In Iran, Armenians and Jews were treated well; it's only the Ba'hai faith whose adherents were persecuted. But I guess the Ba'hai aren't rich producers in Hollywood so they don't get movies depicting them as poor misunderstood victims coming out every month or so! Also, the Jews who left Iran did so because they were given incentives by Israel, and NOT because they were persecuted. In fact, the only ones suffering in Iran are the common people - because of sanctions imposed on them by the US (the world's biggest hypocrite)!

One last thing: one of the producers of this movie is a guy called Avi Lerner, who is an Israeli and fought in The Six-Day War - I doubt his opinion is going to be impartial, so proceed with caution. But then again, any movie that ties to convince you that Salma Hayek would wind up with a guy like Adrien Brody is bound to be unbelievable anyway!

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Still waiting for a hollywood film that shows Israel in a bad light. Guess I'll have a long wait.

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No fewer than two TV networks produced movies about Israel's raid on Entebbe back in 1977.

Do you think Hollywood would ever produce such movies today?

Give me a break.

You are getting your wish, my friend. Back in the 1960s and 70s, the American Right AND the American Left were squarely on Israel's side.

But Israel has since lost the American Left. Not to mention the European Left. Why? Because in a conflict between a prosperous Western-style country and a lot of angry third worlders, the Left cannot view the former as the victim and the latter as the oppressor.

That would be impossible.

Thus the Israelis -- who want only to exist without firing another shot at anyone -- are considered the bullies in this conflict -- the bad guys -- while Israel's Arab neighbors, who want the Jewish State gone, vamoos, moved to Europe or Miami Beach or somewhere because it had NO BUSINESS being established here in the first place -- are the victims.


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by JohnSilence » Mon Jun 13 2016 17:51:36
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Still waiting for a hollywood film that shows Israel in a bad light. Guess I'll have a long wait.
Hollywood - Israel - Bad. These three words don't exist in Hollywood

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Yes, I concur. Jews (and the Jewish State) aren't being targeted with scorn and violence on a daily basis.

Nobody has it in for the Jews. In fact, when people think of Jews at all, they regard them no differently than they do Lutherans, Catholics, and Episcopalians.

Once again: Jews aren't being assaulted, reviled, cast out, scapegoated, and spit on.

It's all in their heads (under their horns! LOL!)

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Nobody has it in for the Jews. In fact, when people think of Jews at all, they regard them no differently than they do Lutherans, Catholics, and Episcopalians.


They aren't?
Check out the post above you...and even the undercurrents in your own.
There is a definite rise of antisemitism going on in the West.

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Of course they are. And I'm sorry you missed my sarcasm.

Antisemitism is on the rise, heading back to where it was in the years before WWII. It was held in (relative) abeyance in the two generations following the Holocaust. But now it is resurgent.

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Of course they are. And I'm sorry you missed my sarcasm.

Antisemitism is on the rise, heading back to where it was in the years before WWII. It was held in (relative) abeyance in the two generations following the Holocaust. But now it is resurgent.


Ahh...sorry...I was on my way to work and didn't give you proper comprehension..

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This Israeli Jew also thought as much: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1377278/reference



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So what's your complain exactly? That Jews in Hollywood should not make movies about the topics that touch their lives? Really? Nobody is forcing you to watch it. Why don't you make a movie about the persecution of Christians in the Middle East? Or is it up to Jews to make those films also? I guess haters will hate. Specially Antisemites.

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Amazed at your comment truelly I am amazed. And it takes a great deal for me to respond in a media web board.
You mention a broad base of misgivings, misstatements, and unjust/unfair treatment committed by this movie, the jewish faith and americans(westerner's) throughout your literal masterpiece i feel compelled to just ask a few questions so I can better understand your point of view.
Like the statement,"In this newest load of fiction masquerading as history, it's 1979 and some poor (actually rich) jews have to leave Tehran on account of that nasty Khomeni dude seizing power. Which is a bit like communists being persecuted after Mao came into power!" Excellent references by the way i really felt your conviction to bring the Jewish faith back together with the russian socioeconomic structure known as communism.
I believe I understand your reference here. You stole from the hard working iranians who did't decide they weren't born intelligent or with an ounce of ambition and become a radical, or fundamentaist. So because these peeple had it from hard work you decided to steal or liberate which is a fancy word for theft. The same ideas and methods the Bolshivics did as they "decided" conveniently they were communist and would redistribute the wealth of what was right in front of them.
No I am not of the Jewish Faith, Muslim, not much except 1 time a year i attend mass. So you see i don't have a fight in this, until we start bulying people and making so false lies it makes the pencil and chiklet kids seem like saints.
Sry if u dont understand some of this but it is a conversation were the 2 or more parties know what is being referenced. Right Sharmut?
1 just 1 time if you claim its gods will can you please list a section of the kuran you are pulling it from. And then who has translated "Muhamed went outside" to Muhamed comands us to cut off the heads of infidels? Proverbs? Maybe book of soloman? Again just looking for an enlightened path "Brother".

The movie Septembers of Shiraz was very well directed and acted in and if anything I felt the brutallity that a person has endeared with as a captive during the country'sstudent/blue collar revolt would have been subjected to. The caning of the feet. Relentless dryfirng of a pointed weapon with main intent was to mental break most of the women and children prisoners held at that time. Yes thats correct cause we know the men after being brutally raped by their interrogators and tortured where murdered and the dismembered in several styles of humiliation. I was wondering was that in the early part or the later part of the quaran? And no i am not of the jewish state i am 100% american. I look foreward to the several outstanding , well thought out rhetoric masterpieces that are goinf to be sent my way. I can wait. Until we me again "brother" i will try my best to arrange that meeting you want so badly with the allmighty.

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Jews are still the biggest victims worldwide and in the US. While the media regurgitates "Islamophobia" and how Muslims are mistreated in America constantly, the reality is there are far more hate crimes against Jews than against Muslims or any other group.

Politically the hatred comes from both sides. The left has a pathological hatred for Israel which has led to many "progressives" letting Jew hatred seep into their ideology. On the right, you have what many call the alternative right which is full of Jew haters. This is pretty much fueling the Trump campaign. Trump supporters are known on Twitter to send out nazi propaganda pictures of Jews or pictures of ovens to Trump critics even prominent Jewish conservative such as Jonah Goldberg, Ben Shapiro, and Bethany Mandel and other conservatives who oppose Trump.


Hatred towards Jews is very real in the Muslim world, Europe, and even the United States.

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The casting of Brody and Hayek was a bad move because 1. They are well known actors 2. There accents were terrible.

That being said the #&$& the the Islamic Revolution. Sure the country was being used at that time to benefit companies in the US and UK but the damn revolution set Iran back and has put the country in a worse position than 1979. The Muslims who revolted and had the help of the citizens there are worse than what was in place , filled with their blatant lies/failed promises and ridiculous laws. I was born in Tehran, Iran and my family moved to America in 1984. They did that because of the oppression of the dictatorship there on people, as well as sending children as young as 4 to clear the mine fields of the Iran/Iraq war in the mid 80s. And then Ayatollah Khomeini that POS called these children martyrs for their country. If the Khomeni was such a great brave leader his ass should have been clearing the fields.

Iran and iranins are viewed as Muslims but the fact is the country was not associated with Islamic fundamentalism till the revolution in Persia's rich history dating back thousands of years.

Sure this film may not be accurate but bottom line is if the revolution never happened Iran would be many many times better off today and the economy would be among the elite in the world.

Sure the Shah was seen as a puppet and my parents lived in the time of the shahs rule as well as many other people who are my family and friends of the family who loved the shah. The ones who really hated him were the nutty Islamic fundamentalist.

It is time for another revolution there and to overthrow the dictatorship and it's in humane treatment towards its citizens. Iran has potential to be one of the greatest countries ever IF organized religion is removed from the dictatorship.

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From what I have read from people who experienced the Iranian revolution- and a Persian man I know whose parents were of the Baha'i faith - your post makes a lot of sense.
It gets confusing - but from what I have learned those who felt disenfranchised wanted a revolution and extreme conservative Muslims used the feelings of those people to help bring about the changes they wanted in the country.
Is that far off?

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I dont think anyone posting on this ridiculous thread has even bothered to see the film. This movie is about a Jewish family escaping Iran (SPOILER WARNING) with the help of an Iranian Muslim Man. It shows how co-operation works in the midst of trauma. At the end of the film it says something, this movie is dedicated to all families that have experienced persecution. The first five posts on this thread sum up why social media is a cespool of ignorance and hate.

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The first five posts on this thread sum up why social media is a cespool of ignorance and hate.
Sadly have to agree. As I was working my way down this thread, I was thinking the same thing. The film is a dud ... a Hallmark version of Argo, sadly lacking any of Argo's unique humour. But yes, am willing to accept that this dud of a film was made and dedicated with the best intentions. It's not a successful film, not blessed with wonderful dialogue, memorable characters, nor stunning technical production. But it doesn't deserve deluded accusations of racism and the like, when the film's conclusion paints a moderate message of racial harmony. 🐭

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