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Anyone else think it should be renamed Sex in the Cistern?


I'm probably being naive, but I can't imagine a group of people having so few scruples about who they sleep with and where. In the cistern was just too much.

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That's good! Yeah, a bit to much time wasted - though I have no problem imagining that the people had so few scruples.

Thing is - I know there were a lot of sex scenes in the book but you can read the book at your leisure. In a show, you only have so many hours to tell the tory and then they have to stop and bang.

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I wish there was a "Like" on these pages! My sentiments exactly!

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I agree; although it must be noted that the refugees on Masada, the Sicarii were considered rather low on the totem pole of the society of that time. And the two main female characters were also outcasts: De Pablo's character the daughter of a prostitute (or not, but so called because she was what might be called a wise woman who had knowledge of herbal medicine)and Yael, the redhead, the daughter of a father who rejected her because she, a blameless child, in his eyes killed her mother who died during childbirth, and she herself bore a child to another married man.
In my opinion, people in a fight for their very lives would be more concerned with trying to preserve them, than with fornicating like rabbits. There was far too much of that in this film, and de Pablo's character irritated the heck out of me.

I could be a morning person if morning happened at noon.

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I felt that having sex in the water, which presumably was a shared and scarce resource, was at the very least inconsiderate (and selfish). I don't know if such scenes are portrayed in the book and/or explained.

One thing that kind of excused it for me was that it seemed to have a religious connotation, an act of cleanliness in order to be together, like if they were having sex as a prayer to God. They were purifying themselves in order to achieve a higher being of love. I'm probably reading too much into it.

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I can't imagine they drank the water anyway there anyway.

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I think it was a public bath house. Back in that time people didn't have baths in their homes so there were places people could go wash off. Still not too sanitary but I guess the choices were few.

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It looked like a cistern to me. And I don't think you can purify yourself biblically for adultery.

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Very true

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I'm pretty sure is was a cistern. Remember, they were besieged on top of a mountain although it was the remains of a palace started by Herod, so a bath house is a possibility, but there were ewers on the ledge around the pool, so my guess is that they were using it for drinking water no matter the original intent. The Roman general mentioned the cisterns and how the Jews would be well supplied with water to stand off the siege.

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I don't think many people would be drinking out of a mountain stream if they stopped to think that animals also drink from it and some probably bathe in it.

I could be a morning person if morning happened at noon.

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Many countries in North Africa and the Middle East still have them. At least I think they do.

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More likely the filmmakers just thought a scene in the water was sexy and would appeal to the romance novel audience. While they might not have run out of lamp oil yet at Masada, that too would have been a communal resource and not intended to illuminate watery romantic trysts.

Over-use of scarce lamp oil and candles drives me crazy in historic films.

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I'm so glad you brought up the bit about the extravagant waste of oil and candles in historic movies! That bothers me, too. I would much rather use my precious candle to safely illuminate the path on a midnight trip to the midden. I guess I'm getting too practical in my old age.

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I think that would be a lovely idea had the two been married. As it was, they were committing adultery, which was a great big no-no then. Stoning as punishment would have been within the law, I think. A lot of people had trouble with the movie playing fast and loose with morality. I know those kinds of things happened and always will, but fidelity in marriage was really important then. These people didn't even think twice about breaking God's law. Except at the end, when they decided to kill everyone and leave only one guy to commit suicide, which was also a big no-no. Finally, it became important to be pious.

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We're supposed to care for these characters, but I can't. They're immoral (adulterous fornicators) and selfish (having sex in the cistern).

As to the 'Assassins', who attacks a cohort of Roman Soldiers in broad daylight in a market square, all wearing the same colored cloaks, unless you're a bad tactician.

15 minutes in I was calling it 'The Dove keepers in the Red Tent.'

BOHICA America!

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This makes me sad. :( The book was amazing! But it sounds like they didn't do it justice at all. :-S

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