CAT lover here.
NO DOGS.
A QUESTION was ASKED:
Did anyone else get a different feel for it?
An AFFIRMATIVE ANSWER was given.
WHY assume one is HELL BENT on finding the WORST interpretation when so far apparently because of LENNY we also have
ANGELO and
SISTER ANTONIA in AFRICA DEAD???
And LENNY himself also BLAMES himself for the death of his CHILDHOOD friend
ANDREW.
So WHY couldn't still another person that LENNY's had CONTACT with end up dead???
These things have NOTHING to do with xxpo.
xxpo didn't write the show.
The REPORTER exposed the theory that LENNY was being BLACKMAILED by this guy.
And when she also wasn't given the chance to QUESTION him, then how do we know if she has any FACTS or not???
If that's the case, why didn't LENNY also come out and FACE her and the QUESTIONS she wanted to ask him???
WHY keep HIDDEN from her the way he does???
The impression one gets is he WALKS over to her as she's SLEEPING and looks at her.
If that's not what you saw, that's fine.
One is allowed to see things differently.
And what it looks like is AFTER someone hears LENNY saying that she has a CORRUPTED SOUL and that her BAD BREATH proves it,
someone may have also have put poison into the water bottle that she drinks the water from,
which KILLS HER.
Because they may also assume they'd have the POPE'S BLESSING for getting rid of her due to what he said to her.
But if you also have another different interpretation, then so be it.
No need to get all pissy about it and INSULT a DOG that one doesn't even own.
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Zwergin
7 years ago
Sister Antonia was an evil person, the reporter is just doing what reporters do, not exactly a cardinal sin. He might feel bad about what happened to his friend but I don't see that he had anything to do with it.
He is hiding from the press in general (=their cameras), not her specifically. He didn't plan on coming out even before she asked her question, this has nothing to do with her and it wouldn't exactly be dignified if he would yell back through the closed door. I would think if she had any facts she would just publish them, why wait. But I have also already seen all episodes so that might give me a different perspective.
I don't think someone poisoned her water, in my opinion it would be too much of a coincidence that she dies while he is praying, if the two weren't connected.
Also the Pope's blessing is all nice and fine but the person would probably still face charges.
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xxpo
7 years ago
Remember the scene where the 2 of them STAND there in the place where ANGELO JUMPS to his DEATH FROM???
Remember how upset ANDREW was with LENNY???
Remember how SURPRISED he was that LENNY seemed to have NO PITY for ANGELO???
ANDREW needed LENNY.
LENNY let him down.
Then he goes to that party where he gets further HUMILIATED by that other INSENSITIVE WOMAN who can't see the GRIEF he's feeling or the EMOTIONAL PAIN he's in.
Then her SON also treats him the same way when he also DEGRADES HIM.
IF LENNY had been there for him as the kind of a FRIEND he should have been then ANDREW may also never have GONE BACK to the other country again.
As for THE REPORTER, when EVERYONE ELSE inside of the FIRST CLASS SECTION could also HEAR what she said, that would also be the TIME for LENNY to FORGET about NOT SHOWING himself in PUBLIC and let the REPORTER KNOW she was WRONG.
But when he just sits there and DOES NOTHING, that also gives the others with him the impression the REPORTER might be right.
As for the NUN, any number of things could have happened to her.
It's also interesting that they BLEND TOGETHER her having TROUBLE BREATHING with the other VISION of LENNY'S MOTHER also having the SAME PROBLEM.
So one also wonders if maybe they BOTH DIED from an ASTHMA ATTACK.
Because LENNY also said that MEMORY of his mother happened when he was AGE 8.
But he also claims to have been adopted by the VATICAN at AGE 7.
So perhaps his MOTHER also DIED and didn't really ABANDON him after all???
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Zwergin
7 years ago
But didn't Andrew also want to go back as he felt at home in Honduras?
Everyone else in first class would be: Voiello, Sister Mary, Sofia, Valente and two Stewardesses. And as I said I guess they know about the investigation and to differing degrees also about how it is progressing (apart from the Stewardesses, obviously). So why would he go a show his face to the reporters? What would that prove to his staff? Nothing in my opinion.
I don't see any deadly breathing problems happening in this show.
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xxpo
7 years ago
Yes, and that's still another thing that makes one FEAR that he made a BIG BOO BOO when he said that.
Did you see SISTER MARY'S REACTION to him when he said that???
She said HOME???
Because she's also UPSET that he didn't consider the VATICAN where she'd raised him to be his HOME.
Need to go watch the NIGHT SCENE with the SLEEPING REPORTERS AGAIN.
HERE'S the other SCENE where the REPORTER YELLS and the others with LENNY hear what she says:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L71rUJdZ_w
That's the BEAUTY of this show is the WAY ONE CAN also see SOMETHING NEW and DIFFERENT each time that one WATCHES a scene again.
If you get a chance to watch the DEATH SCENE again, NOTE the way LENNY'S MOTHER also has a BREATHING PROBLEM at the SAME TIME as the NUN does.
And one is also left with the IMPRESSION that she may have DIED.
She kind of walks up to the CAMERA and then THE SCENE ABRUPTLY ENDS as if her life also ended at the same time.
Here's a CLIP of it, but it's also been EDITED to where you don't see as much of LENNY'S mother as you do in the EPISODE. In fact if you BLINK then you'll also MISS seeing her BREATHING HEAVILY at the very ending of the clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiXwlpDRSGE
PLUS we're left with the MYSTERY of WHY LENNY said he was AGE 8 when he had that MEMORY, yet he was also AGE 7 when he was ADOPTED.
Which also indicates his CHILDHOOD MEMORIES may only be FANTASIES and not be RELATED to REALITY.
And this BLOND WOMAN may also be someone he's MADE UP, the same way as the other 18 year old MADE UP FAIRY TALE STORIES about the VIRGIN MARY for the other SICK KIDS.
Only in this case LENNY may also have MADE UP STORIES about his PARENTS for himself instead of doing it for OTHERS????
SCENE where ANDREW is SHOCKED that LENNY has NO PITY and tells him he can't TAKE IT ANYMORE and wants to GO HOME to HONDURAS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu69-sF0V2A
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shauna_boucher
7 years ago
I'm going to miss these boards.
I'm thinking that Lenny has a gift to see what is happening to people he loves, or what they're doing. The scene where Andrew is in bed with the woman and man from his Honduras church seems to be seen by Lenny. Also, the moment Andrew dies Lenny abruptly stops walking. Perhaps he saw his mother have an asthma attack at age 8. I think the time passing somehow changed that with his parents. There were a few other instances of things like this but I can't recall the specifics right now.
As for the nun in Africa... I agree that he was simply bringing her to God's attention so God could deal with her.
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xxpo
7 years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXPIntXfC1I
The scene where Andrew is in bed with the woman and man from his Honduras church seems to be seen by Lenny.
Yes that scene was also another PROBLEMATIC one as well. At first one assumes it's a FLASHBACK MEMORY and that LENNY was the OTHER guy in the 3 SOME.
But then someone else said it wasn't LENNY, which means someone else must have RECORDED that encounter, and LENNY must have also SEEN IT.
Since we also saw VIOELLO attempting to document LENNY's SEXUAL ENCOUNTER with ESTHER, that also let's us know someone else may have also filmed what ANDREW did.
So if LENNY wasn't there, then that could also mean he's having FLASHBACK MEMORIES of a RECORDING that he's seem of ANDREW having sex with the DRUG LORD'S wife and the other guy.
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Zwergin
7 years ago
Why would anyone assume it is Lenny? They guy doesn't even look the tiniest bit like Lenny...
I am not convinced that the fact that we as the viewers get this information has to mean that it has been recorded by someone or that Lenny watched a recording of it. He could be unaware of it and these scenes are just for the viewer. If anything I would think he has a vision of it since to me it seems the sex scene, the birth of Esthers child and making Gutierrez a cardinal happen at the same time.
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xxpo
7 years ago
The assumption that it was LENNY comes from the way HE keeps having FLASHBACK MEMORIES and because of what VIOELLO told ESTHER about his having had many AFFAIRS as a young man.
What I'm about to tell you is confidential, eternally so: Esther, the Holy Father's faith isn't as solid as we like to think.
What are you saying? I insist.
Moreover, he's had dozens of girlfriends. He's a loose man. Your job is to seduce the Holy Father. We will take care of everything else.
Read more at: http://transcripts.foreverdreaming.org/viewtopic.php?f=765&t=29367
What one suspects is they may also have had something on the WIFE of the DRUG LORD ...
who may have also been told to SEDUCE ANDREW ...
the same way as they told ESTHER to SEDUCE LENNY.
And LENNY may or may not have know about it, because we also heard them saying they planned to use MALE PROSTITUTES to SEDUCE the GAY PRIEST as a way to get rid of them.
Vioello to LENNY and later on to ESTHER:
Holy Father, shall we look into the Kurtwell case a little?
Your Eminence, the answer is yes.
I want to look into the Kurtwell case, but from a broader point of view. The individual case is always an indicator of a larger issue.
I agree.
Let's pursue all the cases of pedophilia that are infesting our Church. Let's widen the circle. Let's prosecute all the cases of homosexuality that are infesting our Church. Let's root out all the homosexuals and expel them, and prevent any new gay priests from entering our Church. Let's do it for real, without exceptions and without hypocrisy.
Holy Father, pedophilia and homosexuality are two very different things.
Two very different things that are both equally unacceptable to the Catholic
hurch.
It would be a war that would leave the ground littered with corpses. Do you want to know how many corpses would litter the ground? Two thirds of the Clergy. Then what becomes of Mother Church's capacity for forgiveness?
Our abuse of forgiveness we've become a laughingstock. As unreliable as some miserable little third-world country.
With your methods, on the other hand, we're likely to become as reliable as, say, North Korea.
No. And do you wanna know what the difference is? We don't imprison ours, we set them free. We pardon every one of them, but one second later we kick them out the door.
All right, Holy Father, as you command.
Read more at: http://transcripts.foreverdreaming.org/viewtopic.php?f=765&t=29367
The Holy Father intends to issue new measures that could lead irreversibly to the extinction of the Church. Do you understand what significant stakes we're talking about?
Read more at:
http://transcripts.foreverdreaming.org/viewtopic.php?f=765&t=29367PLUS we also saw SEVERAL PHOTOS that had been taken of the other OLD PRIEST having a SEXUAL ENCOUNTER who got SENT to ALASKA by LENNY.
So with the attempt to SET UP LENNY with ESTHER so they could RECORD IT ...
and with the PHOTOS taken of the other OLD PRIEST which were used against him ...
one also SUSPECTS that ANDREW'S encounter may have also been RECORDED as well...
which could also EXPLAIN the reason why LENNY has MEMORIES of having seen it before.
And then ANDREW also becomes one of the CORPSES that are a RESULT of the WAR that LENNY'S been waging on the GAY members of the CLERGY of HIS CHURCH.
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Zwergin
7 years ago
My take is that Voiello just lied to Esther, we never see any proof or even hint that Lenny had any relationships other than the girl in California. He himself says so and he has much less reason to lie to the author he meets or to Gutierrez than Voiello has when he talks to Esther.
I think that the relationship Andrew had with the two people in Honduras had been going on for some time. That is my impression at least. So long before Lenny became Pope.
That Voiello tries to gather/create material (=Esther) on the new Pope once he realises that he will not be able to control Lenny is one thing. Spying on a cardinal in Honduras who is the friend of another cardinal who might become Pope and who might not be easily controlled (something Voiello did not foresee at all) and forcing someone to seduce him, sounds like something our Reptiloid Overlords might do. And why do it at all? Why go through Andrew, that really serves no purpose.
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xxpo
7 years ago
Yes VOIELLO probably LIED to her about LENNY. And isn't telling a LIE also A SIN???
But he probably rationalizes it by thinking there's a GREATER GOOD involved with his telling a LIE as a way to try to get ESTHER to SEDUCE LENNY???
You might also be right about ANDREW having had other ENCOUNTERS, because why else would he say he WANTS to GO HOME??
What's a REPTILOID OVERLORD???
Do you mean a DRUG LORD???
What one suspects is SISTER MARY or LENNY may have been HURT by ANDREW calling HONDURAS HOME.
So one of them may have also sent the DRUG LORD some of those photos of ANDREW with his WIFE.
NOTE the way LENNY also seems INDIFFERENT to the NEWS of ANDREW'S DEATH in comparison to SISTER MARY and how he PLAYS with the TENNIS BALLS by hitting them against the WALL and even HITS one of them AGAINST HER WINDOW as she lays there and CRIES.
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Zwergin
7 years ago
Yes lying is a sin, so? Voiello is under no illusion that people (himself included) are constantly sinning til the very end. He even tells Girolamo so(in one of the most beautiful scenes in my opinion).
No I don't mean a Drug Lord I meant a Reptilian/Reptiloid Overlord. They are a part of conspiracy theories and also often used when one makes fun of these kind of theories. And I think the idea that Voiello sent someone to Honduras to threaten the wife of a Drug Lord (and the other guy?) to seduce a cardinal who is the friend of another cardinal that might or might not become Pope and against whom he might or might not need some weapons (which as I said I don't think he saw coming at all, his actions once he realises it speak for themselves) is just too far fetched and sounds like conspiracy to me. Also still, what purpose does it serve? You think Lenny would resign if Voiello would threaten him to expose Andrew? I think not. What would Voiello gain by this?
So beause they felt hurt by it they want to murder him? Are you watching the same show I am watching? If they wanted him to stay and actually knew about the relationship he has in Honduras (and this is an "if") it might make sense to tell him that the woman's husband knows and that his life is in danger. Why let him walk into a trap that almost certainly will not lead to a happy ending? Because he prefers living in Honduras to the Vatican? Really?
And just because lenny is not crying on his bed doesn't mean he isn't sad or that he murdered his friend...
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xxpo
7 years ago
Oh. Ok.
Thanks for the EXPLANATION.
One got the REPTILE part of what you were saying, but wasn't sure who it applied to.
You've also thought about the matter much more DEEPLY.
What xxpo had in mind is VOIELLO also wanting to BE POPE.
Doesn't EVERY CARDINAL dream of this???
SPENCER did. We saw that by the way he PRACTICED in the MIRROR.
So if VOIELLO can gather enough EVIDENCE together on all the REST of them ...
then theoretically he could also become like HOOVER ...
(the guy who RAN the FBI or several DECADES and OUTLASTED many US PRESIDENTS by his having stuff on them that he could also use to threaten them with if they tried to get rid of him).
This is what one had in mind because that's who VOIELLO reminds one of.
So that's also the PURPOSE it serves.
Gathering a COLLECTION of PHOTOS together helps VOIELLO keep his JOB.
What about CAIN and ABLE???
Isn't it also possible LENNY could be JEALOUS of ANDREW and the ATTENTION SISTER MARY gives him???
Couldn't it also be possible LENNY no longer looks upon is childhood friend the SAME WAY anymore once he knows about the homosexual encounter he had???
Not saying that's what happened.
Just saying this is what any good detective would take into consideration if they were following leads and looking for a MURDER SUSPECT.
What may have happened is LENNY sent the DRUG LORD PHOTOS hoping it would STOP ANDREW from seeing the wife again which would also STOP him from SINNING.
But LENNY may also have not realized it could also result in the death of his FRIEND???
But that also seems a bit FAR FETCHED for him to be that INNOCENT.
Does it not???
And after ANDREW asked LENNY when he was going to GROW UP, why did LENNY also give him that COME BACK where he accused Andrew of needing to do the SAME THING in the scene where they stand there together in the place that ANGELO JUMPED to his DEATH from???
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Zwergin
7 years ago
Voiello states that he doesn't want to be Pope, of course he could be lying but I actually think he is telling the truth. He feels more comfortable in the role of a grey eminence, less exposed and with the "right" Pope he would still call the shots.
Maybe he was jealous but I don't think it was to the point that he would want him dead. And the police wouldn't have to look for a murder suspect. The Drug Lord killed Andrew, end of story. What would they charge Lenny with if he had given the husband proof of the relationship (and I really don't think he did), telling the truth? That is not a crime as far as I know.
And I think pretty much everybody above the age of 10 has some idea what happens when you cross a Drug Lord, so I don't think it is realistic to think that Lenny doesn't. And it might be possible that the Drug Lord will also do something to his wife and the other man involved. And sure they were sinning, too but I don't think that Lenny believes that justice is done by a Drug Lord killing and/or beating up people...
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xxpo
7 years ago
HOOVER didn't want to be POTUS either. He just wanted to KEEP his JOB, and gathered enough DIRT on each of them to guarantee he'd keep it.
Because when he OUTLASTED all of them, then he also becomes MORE POWERFUL than them.
See what I mean???
You're right LENNY may not have wanted Andrew dead.
He may just have wanted him to STOP SINNING.
And thought letting the hubby know what the wife was up to would put a stop to it.
No one is saying LENNY is DIRECTLY responsible for KILLING anyone.
But INDIRECTLY what he does has been WRECKING HAVOK.
ANGELO is DEAD because of LENNY'S ORDERS.
ANDREW is DEAD.
SISTER ANTONIO is DEAD.
Therefore IF the REPORTER also ends up DEAD, it would also LOOK SUSPICIOUS.
What were all of those SEMI'S doing there???
Where they also a part of LENNY'S ENTOURAGE???
Why does he FACE THEM when he PRAYS instead of facing the LIMO'S???
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Zwergin
7 years ago
I wonder if you understand your own example ^^
Voiello is perfectly happy to be and to stay Cardinal Secretary of State. He doesn't want to be Pope, he just gathers information to keep his place and to influence the Popes (it seemed to have worked on Lenny's predecessor(s)). He isn't collecting anything to become Pope, he doesn't want to be Pope.
Suspicious of what and to whom?
Angelo is dead because he killed himself. A suicide doesn't create a murder suspect. Andrew was killed by a Drug Lord, no need for a murder suspect, the murderer is known. Sister Antonia probably died of natural causes, a heart attack is my guess (with a supernatural cause maybe, but I guess that won't come up during an autopsy). So we have a suicide, a murder and a heart attack on 3 different continents, I wonder who in the world would suspect anyone of anything in this.
Trucks can usually be found at a gas station? I think he asked them to stay, put the lights on and then he prayed in front of them.
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xxpo
7 years ago
The example is saying the SAME THING as you did.
HOOVER also had NO INTENTION of running for OFFICE, because the POSITION he had was also MORE POWERFUL than being POTUS.
IN other words, we're also on the SAME PAGE and in agreement about his MOTIVES.
And the DETECTIVE REFERENCE is just an ANALOGY as a way to try to explain one's approach to watching the show.
So whereas you and BLU choose to FOCUS on the SUPERNATURAL ASPECTS of it,
others may go the DETECTIVE route and look for other CLUES as to what's happening.
And so far you're right.
There's been no DIRECT CONNECTION made back to LENNY.
But IF that REPORTER ends up DEAD, then we'd have a DIRECT LINK back to him with LOTS of WITNESSES on that PLANE on BOTH SIDES of it who HEARD what she said TO HIM.
SEE what I mean.
LENNY better hope NOTHING SUSPICIOUS happens to that woman.
Did you also notice how the CB of the TRUCKER seems to GO DEAD once LENNY began to PRAY???
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Zwergin
7 years ago
But also in the Detective Route I see no reason to believe that Lenny told the Drug Lord anything about anything. People find out about their cheating spouses all the time, without the Pope telling them. And the Drug Lord has probably much more means and motivation to be informed about everything that is going on around him than your average Joe.
The woman is yelling at him, so what?
If something were to happen to her, I don't think the Italian police would come barging into the Vatican because of that, it is not really that much of a motive ^^
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xxpo
7 years ago
The woman is yelling at him, so what?
If something were to happen to her, I don't think the Italian police would come barging into the Vatican because of that
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But
they've already BARGED into the VATICAN because of the other MISSING guy that they refused to recognize.
Remember how they also threatened to THROW him into some QUICKSAND if he didn't stop talking about his STIGMATA, the SHEEP, and his plans to start up another different CHURCH without them???
Add the disappearance of the REPORTER to the MIX and LENNY could find himself in some DEEP DOO DOO or up a CREEK without a PADDLE (so to speak).
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Zwergin
7 years ago
The captain of the police is having a more or less (rather less ^^) friendly chat with Voiello (not arresting him or really questioning him). He is not even talking to the Pope even though the Pope was there as well (and one would assume that if something bad happened the police would think him to be behind it) And the reason he is talking to him at all is because Pettola's relatives say that he claimed that the Pope and the cardinals met him in secret and threatened him,because the police thinks the church might have seen him as a real threat and because of the phone calls. That is a bit more substantial than just an angry reporter and no proof/indication that Lenny was even particularly bothered by it.
When will the last episode air in America?
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xxpo
7 years ago
NEXT WEEK will be the SEASON FINALE.
And the MARATHON SESSION they're showing TODAY is also STARTING UP RIGHT NOW.
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BluFee
7 years ago
When will the last episode air in America?
In North America tomorrow (Monday) night.
"Absence is presence". - Pius XIII (Lenny Belardo)
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xxpo
7 years ago
Damn.
So they air NEW EPPYS'S on MONDAY'S Instead OF ON SUNDAY NIGHT'S???
And episode 9 has been on all week long, but NOT available ON DEMAND???
THE GORGEOUS RED SASH is only KNEE LENGTH, not FLOOR LENGTH.
Who is standing to the LEFT and RIGHT of MARY in the PAINTING behind LENNY as he sits at his DESK???
And WHY does SISTER MARY tell ANDY to call her MA and tells LENNY NOT to call her MA???
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BluFee
7 years ago
Zwergin, I also think he has a vision of the sex scene or he is able to ascertain Andrew's temptations.
The middle of the night chat with the reporter on the plane going back I enjoyed very much. Up until then, Lenny has been this big mystery to his media and almost an insult that he has not given them any kind of regard whatsoever. They must have all kinds of notions and opinions of him as they have probably speculated at length among each other and probably don't have very good things to say about him.
Here, at last, is a chance to meet this mysterious and reclusive man. I was reminded of the story of Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane when he comes back after praying and the apostles are all asleep and he asks why they could not stay awake even for one hour. (I know that might be too much religion for some. Sorry.) Here was one lone reporter awake who would be able to share with his colleagues that he had met the new Pope and that yes he was young, he was handsome and shed a different light on who Pius XIII really might be. He might also understand that this 'young' Pope isn't comfortable in the media spotlight like anyone who is young and has to face sudden celebrity.
Has anyone given thought to how the reporters were going to report on the Pope's trip to Africa to the world? At least one reporter can put a face to the name without even publishing a photo. It was a beautiful and and brilliant scene within the context of this evolving series.
"Absence is presence". - Pius XIII (Lenny Belardo)
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xxpo
7 years ago
THat's FINE if you two CHOSE to FOCUS MAINLY upon the SUPERNATURAL aspect of the show, because that's definitely something that's there.
But there's also another SECULAR way to view what's happening as well.
Take the TURBULENCE on the plane that happens.
Was that also a result of LENNY being UPSET or was it just a result of some BAD WEATHER CONDITIONS???
In an interview David LYNCH suggested that a good way to view his stories was as if one were a DETECTIVE.
So that's also another OPTION and way to view THIS SHOW if one chooses to do so.
To try to follow the BITS of SCATTERED about EVIDENCE that one finds here and there, and then PIECE it together.[/b]
After watching the MARATHON yesterday one has also reached the CONCLUSION that THE TURBULANCE was NOT a RESULT of LENNY PRAYING or caused by anything else but BAD WEATHER CONDITIONS.
Because later on when LENNY sits next to the PILOT in the CONTROL SECTION of the PLANE and asked if it would be OK to TOUCH the CONTROLS, he's also told NO.
And LENNY also tells him he TRUSTS his JUDGEMENT to land the PLANE wherever THE PILOT thought was best.
Because the WEATHER in NAPLES was also better than in the place where they had originally planned to land.
SO the EVIDENCE for a SECULAR INTERPRETATION of that TURBULENCE scene also WINS this ROUND.
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Zwergin
7 years ago
Where is it said that she raised him in the Vatican? I think they were raised in an orphanage (in America). I don't recall any scene that would hint at him being raised in the Vatican and also the surroundings when they run away don't look like it to me.
I have seen the plane scene more than once and I don't think he is looking at her any differently than the other people. And my point still stands, the people in first class know about Kurtwell and if they have any questions regarding the topic they can ask him in private, no need to get involved with the press. And what difference would showing his face make? He could go there and say: There is nothing to blackmail me with and the investigation is ongoing and moving forward. What would that change? Nothing. It is hard to prove a negative, what could he say or do to prove that he cannot be blackmailed? Nothing. The reporters would have to take his word for it and why should they. And Lenny is not bothered much with other people's opinion, so he just continues to pray while she yells.
I had the feeling Sister Antonia maybe had a heart attack from the way she grabs her chest but that's just me.
The 7/8 year thing could also be a mistake in the script ^^
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booya83
7 years ago
IF LENNY had been there for him as the kind of a FRIEND he should have been then ANDREW may also never have GONE BACK to the other country again.
Andrew sleeps with a violent drug lord's wife more than once. Those three way sex scenes with a married woman wasn't just a sin it was freaking stupid. The *beep* got what he deserved and none of it was Lenny's fault! In fact it isn't just because of her husband being a drug lord, you knowingly sleep with someone wife even average Joe citizen you take a huge risk. Do you realize how many murders happen over this exact Bull *beep*
Only someone who is married can appreciate how *beep* up this is especially for a Priest, a man you trust. Andrew gets no sympathy he ultimately found what he was looking for.
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xxpo
7 years ago
none of it was Lenny's fault
LENNY ADMITS to ANDREW that he was the one who GAVE the ORDER to HIRE MALE PROSTITUTES as a way to WEED out the GAY PRIESTS.
This is why ANDREW said he'd HAD ENOUGH of LENNY and his NEW RULES and LEFT the VATICAN.
LENNY was being STUPID.
EVERYONE keeps telling him so.
SISTER MARY told him EVERYONE FEARS him and he needs to STOP IT.
VIOELLO told him his WAR would leave behind lots of DEAD BODIES and RUIN the CHURCH.
SPENCER told him he was ANGRY about what his PARENTS did to him and was taking it out on the REST of the WORLD.
They are RIGHT.
What LENNY'S BEEN doing is WRONG.
ANDREW also told him that he ACTS like a CHILD and has NO PITY.
And he was also RIGHT as well.
That doesn't mean ANDREW had no part in what happened to him.
It just means saying that LENNY had no part in it and NONE of it was his FAULT isn't ACCURATE.
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Zwergin
7 years ago
So let's say my friend X is sleeping with the wife of a drug dealer. I tell my friend X that I am not feeling well today and we can't meet. So my friend X goes to some club instead, there he meets the husband of the woman and in a fit of jealousy and rage the drug dealer kills my friend X. So I am partially responsible for the death of my friend X because I played a role in where he was that evening?
Sounds pretty stupid, doesn't it?
Andrew willingly went back to the country (that he called his home) where he was screwing around with the wife of a powerful and dangerous man. There are more than two places in the world, not just the Vatican and Honduras, he could have gone anywhere (I think since Lenny let him go to Honduras, he would have let him go elsewhere), he chose to go there. And what happened was a consequence of his own actions, nobody else's.
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xxpo
7 years ago
LENNY wanted Andrew to be his PREFEX or however one spells it. And if LENNY hadn't been so RADICAL about the CHANGES he was making, then ANDREW would have STAYED PUT and done the JOB LENNY asked him to do.
But with Angelo's death and LENNY'S INSENSITIVITY about it, ANDREW said he'd HAD ENOUGH and was GOING BACK HOME to HONDURAS again.
LENNY's CONFESSION that he was the one to GIVE the ORDERS to HIRE MALE PROSTITUTES to WEED OUT the GAY PRIESTS was also what made ANDREW ANGRY with LENNY.
So rationalize the situation any way you wish, but when even LENNY himself admits it was HIS FAULT, then one also sees no reason not to ACCEPT the FACT that he played a part in the death of his friend.
No one DENIES that Andrew wasn't also responsible for what happens to him, but LENNY also played a part in what happened as well by coming up with all of those NASTY TRICKS where they HIRED MALE HOOKERS as a way to get rid of the GAY PRIEST.
And ANDREW didn't want to be a part of the kind of DIRTY TRICKS that LENNY was pulling because what LENNY DID also leads up to the death of ANGELO who was FALSELY ACCUSED of being GAY.
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