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A Black kid that raps...Surprise Surprise!


I take some solace in the fact that it's a white guy that wrote the story. Couldn't have a black boy impress a little girl by being smart, playing an instrument, or creating art. Instead he talk/spits.

"Now, who's the villain, Flash? Now, who's the villain?" Eobard Thawne.

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At first glance I thought this was going to be a decent tween movie the likes of 12 and Holding, Little Manhattan, Bridge to Terabithia, and of course the king of these movies,Stand By Me, with a touch of the tween edge that was the modern classic This Is England. But then they had to have the kid tryna be, guess what? A pro rapper. SMH.

"what is your major malfunction numbnuts?!!"

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I know, they are just so goddamn predictable, it's like a sick joke.

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To the OP"


Um,seriously? You do know that rap has been hugely popular in Europe a (and around the whole world) for over four decades, and that Germany has had its own rap scene since the the early '90s? And yes, it does take some creativity and intelligence to put together an excellent rap song, because they have to actually write the lyrics, you know? Obviously no one here has ever bothered to listen to rap for ore than 5 minutes, or you'd already know this.

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Rap pretty much sucks. If rap is so big in Germany, let the girl rap and let the boy do something not so stereotypical.

"Now, who's the villain, Flash? Now, who's the villain?" Eobard Thawne.

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Rap pretty much sucks.

There's no reasoning with you. Seems your mind is already made up. Oh, it may suck for you but it doesn't for millions out there hence its popularity.

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Despite what you think, rap is art. Did you see the movie? How do you know he isn't smart?

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I never said he wasn't smart. I lament such a stereotypical depiction, especially since African-American boys are over infatuated with becoming rappers and athletes. It's much more likely to become teacher, housing manager, fireman, etc.

You know who the true villain in Man of Steel is? Pa Kent.

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You said he should play an instrument. What is the difference? He isn't likely to become a professional trombone player either.

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Because rap is not an art. You can major in band and teach it. Rap....not so much.

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Rap is not an art. You sound like the people that told African Americans that Jazz wasn't art. The Blues is not art. Rock and Roll wasn't art. Apparently, when they were appropriated they became art!

Not to mention, should we take away all kids hobbies that won't make them money in the future?

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You are getting off-topic. If a kid wants to rap, yodel, or play Pokemom Go in his free time, that's his deal. I have a problem with the white writer promoting the idea that of the numerous talents a black could use to impress a girl, it's the stereotypical "craft" of rap.

I would not be surprised if the kid brings watermelon, kool-aid, and fried chicken to lunch everyday. He probably wears his pants hanging low and says the "n" word.

You know who the true villain in Man of Steel is? Pa Kent.

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The chair is not my son...

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Yeah, nothing you said is true. An art form that has been dead for 300 years totally was the impetus for the emergence of modern day freestyle rap battles. Verbal jousting is universal. Stop trolling the boards of movies about black people. You seem like a sad and bored person. Get a hobby.

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Did you search that video I mentioned which shows Michael Jackson i.e. the most famous Black musician in history is a complete hack? Search this video on Youtube as well: Smooth Criminal - Bob Fosse - to see more of MJ's thievery.

Blacks stole everything from Whites. They stole Gospel music and Blues music from the Scots who owned Black slaves.

Blacks have no creative talent. They are performers, that's it. Beyonce is the fakest artist of all time. She has literally stolen everything from video concepts, complete songs, samples, dance moves, dance routines, performance art, and fashion from White artists.

You seem like someone with voices in their head. Someone who drinks blood, maybe. I don't know - but it just seems like you prey on humans when they're sleeping. I'll have to do some further investigating, but thanks for replying to me, so I'm aware of you.

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Blacks stole everything from Whites.

Blacks have no creative talent.


Dude, I would advise you to take your racist, ignorant nonsense to some White Nationalist board. No one here is interested.

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Because rap is not an art. You can major in band and teach it. Rap....not so much.


If anything, what you mean is that rap is not a science. Art is not contingent upon whether one can teach it—indeed, many artistic attributes cannot be taught, or cannot be fully taught, hence the notion of artistic "genius."

Regardless, in terms of your complaint, keep in mind that Morris from America is a comedy. Having the young black kid be a rapper in the midst of all these white German kids who love techno and "electro-swing" form part of the film's fish-out-of-water premise and its attendant humor. Moreover, the movie raises and negates a bunch of stereotypes about black folks, toying with prejudices in the process.

I suppose that one could criticize Morris from America for portraying African-American vernacular and youthful lust in a way that could feed into stereotypes, and one could especially offer that criticism because writer-directer Chad Hartigan is not black. (Can I ask if you are black, to have a better idea of where your complaint is coming from?)

But there is no doubt that hip-hop lyrics and slang can be highly misogynistic, and exaggeration is part of comedy. Morris from America has issues, as I noted in another post on this board, but I do not feel that having the black kid be a wannabe rapper is one of them.

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If anything, what you mean is that rap is not a science. Art is not contingent upon whether one can teach it—indeed, many artistic attributes cannot be taught, or cannot be fully taught, hence the notion of artistic "genius."


I will never consider it an art. I think of it as an activity, a difficult one, but in my opinion, it's nothing more than the ability to talk quickly.

Regardless, in terms of your complaint, keep in mind that Morris from America is a comedy. Having the young black kid be a rapper in the midst of all these white German kids who love techno and "electro-swing" form part of the film's fish-out-of-water premise and its attendant humor


Rapping, singing, and playing sports professionally are legal and bona fide careers. However, very few people will ever make a living at it. Yet, that's what too many African-American youth expire to. White children do as well, but they are more likely to have back up plans. I was in the classroom and I'd have Afr-American kids that could not make the school basketball team tell me they were going pro. They weren't even tall!

He could be just as much out of water as a Black kid that wanted to be a pianist or a conductor. There are a lot more people making money as pianists than there are rappers.

I suppose that one could criticize Morris from America for portraying African-American vernacular and youthful lust in a way that could feed into stereotypes, and one could especially offer that criticism because writer-directer Chad Hartigan is not black. (Can I ask if you are black, to have a better idea of where your complaint is coming from?)


The lust part doesn't bother me. That's common across all ethnic groups. Yes, I'm African-American. However, it's not as of Black writers don't promote the same stereotypes. There is a show called Atlanta where the lead is a rapper and his brother is a drug dealer. There are millions of Black people that have never even tried drugs, don't live in the hood, and aren't entertainers. I happen to be an educator.

Dear Marvel, Thanks for pandering to me. Sincerely, a non-white male.

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Rapping, singing, and playing sports professionally are legal and bona fide careers. However, very few people will ever make a living at it. Yet, that's what too many African-American youth expire to. White children do as well, but they are more likely to have back up plans. I was in the classroom and I'd have Afr-American kids that could not make the school basketball team tell me they were going pro. They weren't even tall!


... all true. But one could argue that there is nothing wrong with films reflecting unfortunate realities, or certain realities, and using them for humor to deflate the social tension. And while Morris is a wannabe rapper, he does not play basketball—to the befuddlement of some of the white German kids, one of whom refers to Morris as "Kobe Bryant."

There are millions of Black people that have never even tried drugs, don't live in the hood, and aren't entertainers.


One aspect of Morris from America that I appreciated was the fact that Morris is decidedly less into drugs than the white German kids. When confronted with the possibility of trying Ecstasy at a party that he is planning to attend, Morris first looks up the drug and its dangers on the Internet. Then, at the party, he pretends to ingest it before actually spitting it out when the other kids are not looking.

Sure, Morris is into "gangsta rap," but he comes across as an individual rather than a stereotype.

Your overall point is well-taken: African-American parts should not be circumscribed by stereotypes of African-American life. But as I have said, this film is a comedy that toys with stereotypes and uses them more for ironic effect. Have you ever seen Coogan's Bluff (Don Siegel, 1968), starring Clint Eastwood? The film uses New Yorkers' stereotypes of a tall white man wearing a cowboy hat and boots to create humor and heighten the cross-cultural fertilization. Morris from America certainly is not as good of a film, and I recognize that stereotypes of African-Americans tend to be more pernicious and limiting, but the basic construct is similar.

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The numerous movies about the white man/lady that comes to an inner city school or meets a poor black kid and turns their life around. Does that happen? Yes. Is it frequent?No. Then why is white America so fascinated with that story? The White Man's burden.


I concur that that kind of story is essentially a gimmick—if not a manifestation of White Man's Burden, then a manifestation of whites wanting to feel better about themselves. Granted, there is a fish-out-of-water element that can create conflict, tension, drama, humor, and irony, but a story about a black teacher who receives a job at an overwhelmingly white school (rural or urban, southern or northern, public or private) would be more intriguing and less cliched.

Don't see many slave rebellion movies. They happened and whites lived in constant fear of them. That as an aspect of slavery whites don't want to see. It reminds them that many African-Americans have not gotten past it and that American Whites are often the bad guy.


I agree, but a film is coming out next month (The Birth of a Nation, obviously not the 1915 version) about Nat Turner's rebellion.

And did you see Django Unchained (Quentin Tarantino, 2012)? The film is about a slave rebellion of sorts (actually the vengeance of a freed slave), and I thought that it may have been the best movie of 2012.

They love films where Nazis get their comeuppance, yet their behavior was not much different.


Did you see 12 Years a Slave (Steve McQueen, 2013)? In addition to being the best film of the year and an all-time classic, in my opinion, the film obliquely suggested that slavery constituted American fascism. Its depiction of American society at that time was utterly chilling (and doubtlessly realistic). Indeed, I would group 12 Years a Slave with Steven Spielberg's harrowing saga about the Holocaust, Schindler's List.

I hope the day comes when I see movies more reflective of the life I lead growing up as the first integration generation. I never attended segregation schools, I didn't do drugs, I didn't have a shiftless older brother with a nickname like "Boopsie" who quit school at 16 and was out getting girls pregnant, and I knew I was going to college.


In a sense, you may be suggesting that African-American actors and actresses receive roles that are not contingent on them being black, or what people in the entertainment industry perceive 'black life' to be. There has been gradual progression in that regard, especially for black stars, but overall, the progress has proved much too sporadic.

By the way, what did you make of the Blaxploitation genre from the seventies?

I wonder if the drug had been marijuana how the story would have been told. Ecstasy is seen as a white kid raver drug. Much like crack is associated with Blacks and cocaine with whites. Not surprisingly, even though they are basically the same thing, the punishment for having crack is much harsher.


... good point, but Morris does sort of struggle with the marijuana (I believe that it is marijuana) that he tries in the van.

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i didn't have an issue with it. Rap was a story element of the movie and it worked here. Partly as a way to show is connection back home. how he's disconnected from all the other kids and something he loves. it worked for me

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Maybe it will end up in Redbox. Thanks for your perspective.

An African-American Mary Jane Watson?!
She should have been Asian!

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umm yes,we did create all those musical styles.even classical music..only to be stolen by whites..sorry if you cant acknowledge history you pitiful racist. so keep living out the lies foisted upon you by your ancestors.

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You replied to the wrong guy.

An African-American Mary Jane Watson?!
She should have been Asian!

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No..you were the racist i was referring to.your ether racist or knowingly ignorant.

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Learn how to use the internet.

An African-American Mary Jane Watson?!
She should have been Asian!

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Rap is like boxing... if it's not as complicated for what it is, it has MORE of a reputation of being versatile (because creative arts help us apply the intelligence we have for many purposes).... so when it gets to the next thing guys that are rich and powerful with their money will take you seriously if you can do this, but they won't respect a college degree.

I hope links are allowed on youtube... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbfFFED6xbs&t=1325s This is an example of a real freestyle I spit... I could do this at will any time, and I used to need the 420 but I've done warm up exercises so my nerves are boosted enough naturally without an emergency... That is a real freestyle, an example of my ability at will, almost at all times....

That is real rap. That is what people can really do. I'm not sure you would even believe what it is, but if you understand this, you will have a lot of sway in may regards without a record deal because you will have an extremely high level of competency... college degree will get blown out if it was about performance.


You were complaining black dudes were doing stuff and not Asian dudes... well this is an Asian dude's perspective. Leave America and it will be this way world wide and if you start thinking bigger picture to take it all in you'll know why...

How is it really compared to an "education"??? lol lol lol.

This is why they banned boxing in school too... because kids that learned those meditations were out-performing the studiers too easily in matters of applied intelligence and the system feared it. Same deal with rap and on a board like this regarding this subject matter we see through it but I'm not going to give enough to even play with the illusion of it being different than what it is...

Applied intelligence is only one side of it... Because it's not that I don't have to learn to rap. I learn for myself, with discernment, relatively speaking how to do it. So the other guy is not telling me.

But to remove systems of discernment like boxing from the school system, the other side of this knowledge is the tampering.... to win that way against boxing is to lose more.... but hide it. And if you make it rap, the situation is going to stay the same.

These arguments will win favor among the broke and the poors but those with class, breeding and wealth will obviously favor the opposition, if not at face value they will underneath the surface...


It's hard not to get heated about this kind of stuff so I say this in peace. The two styles of learning, self learning and learning from others are complimentary. The discernment of the first helps strengthen the other. Those that attacked the first style to teach us crap hurt us all and we're all better off winning as a team... because when one goes down both go down and it has been a planned failure by a percentage in the United States (attack the first to intentionally let more preposterous ideas in) since the 1960s... we need to prevent this degradation that makes us all lose, but you more.

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