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The Phantasm Ravager Ending


Being a fan of the entire Phantasm franchise I'm so happy that Don Coscarelli finally made RaVager.
That being said I'd like to explain what I think the true ending of Phantasm Ravager is in my opinion.

Many people will probably disagree with my theory ... but I think that Reggie didn't die.
But instead chose to be with his family again.
Which is (Jody and Mike) His best friends. That's why it shows a sequence of him dying in the nursing home. (That part of him which is in another reality dies)

He chose a different path and that's to defeat the Tall Man's sinister plans for the world.
I also think that the Tall Man finally showed the viewers that he has a heart Because he sees Reggie's unfailing loyalty to his friends.

He has become very fond of Reggie, Jody, and Mike (Which by the way could possibly be the Tall Man's Son?)

Remember The Tall Man is infinite and can create many different realities and since Reggie wouldn't give up, The Tall Man gave him back what he wanted most. "His best friends"
In the end, The Tall Man still wins. there is no defeating him so basically the game never ends.

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I also think that the Tall Man finally showed the viewers that he has a heart and he gave Reggie back his family. Because he sees his unfailing loyalty to his friends.


Nope. Never. Tall Man doesn't GAF.

He chose a different path and that's to defeat the Tall Man's sinister plans for the world.


I got that too.



He has become very fond of Reggie, Jody, and Mike (Which by the way could possibly be the Tall Man's Son?)


I'm sure in a way he's become fond of them (that's what a lot o Phans would like to think as well although many would disagree on that possibility). I have no clue if he might be related to the Tall Man in some way (his son, I doubt very much) but that's one of the plot holes that damn this phukn movie. Where were they going with Mike's head being a sphere? Who knows. It was an interesting question we were burning to learn but I guess we never will.


In the end, there is no defeating The Tall Man so the game never ends.


Yep which in some ways not only does it make this last entry a waste of time but the entire series as well.



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I agree. I take it as if this is truly the end, then they will continue fighting until its over for them. By staying up north where it is cold they have a much better chance at survival since the Tallman does not like the cold.

I look at the ending a couple different ways. "Only if there isnt another film"

It looks like the war will never end. If you notice the Tallman did mention that he was having fun with Reggie. I think since they defeated one of the Tallmans, reggie was rewarded by getting what he wanted Michael and Jodi back until the next Tallman comes.



Second thought.

Since they were at the Tallmans home they actually killed the tallman for good. By Killing the Tallman Reggie got Jodi and Michael back. Now they will spend their days fighting what is left, if you look at the end of the credits scenes of them fighting and no tallman.

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"Where were they going with Mike's head being a sphere? Who knows."

The Tall Man was grooming Mike to be his replacement so he could move on to another world. That was what "OblIVion" was leading up to-- a Tall Man vs. Tall Man showdown... they just didn't have the money to pull it off.

Of course "Ravager" does nothing with it whatsoever. But that was the original intention.

"Since they were at the Tallmans home they actually killed the tallman for good. By Killing the Tallman Reggie got Jodi and Michael back. Now they will spend their days fighting what is left, if you look at the end of the credits scenes of them fighting and no tallman."

The Tall Man seems to have just as much a disdain for death on the Red Planet as he does on earth. I seriously doubt the Tall Man letting a dwarf suicide bomb him finished him off for good. That's just insulting to the character.

And with the Tall Man gone, there would be no reason for the Tall Man's minions and slaves to continue to fight. So I'm pretty certain he's still out there.

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Since they were at the Tallmans home they actually killed the tallman for good.


Well the tallman said he was in many different universes at the same time so I'm sure all of them also had a home on their own planet so killing one doesn't really change anything.

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Another possibility that occurred to me is that this is actually directly picking up from the end of 4 and Reggie never actually made it out of the portal he jumped into. This could all be the Tall Man torturing him by shooting him through different times/realities, kind of like what he did to Mike in 4.

There isn't really much in the way of evidence to support this idea, but it sure sounds better to me than either of the disappointing ending choices we're given...

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I think you're mostly right. I believe he was captured after he ran through the space gate in 4 and the movie up untill he wakes up and is rescued from teh lab - everythign up till then is a dream created by the tall man. But the dream sticks a little...nursing home reg dying is the dream finally going away for good.

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I actually think that is a good way to look at it...

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Good idea
Good theory.
I think the Tall man is just toying with RReggie though.


I think this series became so confusing and warping off into a zillion directions that Don C himself can not even amswer.

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Zillion! I miss that show! Uh... Liked the horse getting it... that was different. Still haven't finished the movie, but since he dies in one timeline... that nursing home 'timeline' we're seeing (like I said haven't finished it), something about it just doesn't seem real.

3rd generation American from a long line of Gottscheers... it was Drandul, dude!

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Good post. All your thoughts are very very possible interpretations.

I'm still pretty disappointed that we have to guess what happened. That we have to come to a message board and give our opinions on what someone else imagined.

It's like the famous ending in Jaws, when Sheriff Brody was all alone with the shark and the boat was sinking, and then the movie just ended...so that all us fans could make up in our own minds what we think happened. You see my point. Guessing games at the end of a movie perturb me!

That being said, I still thought Ravager was cool and I got over my disappointment because it was great to see the 3 guys go up against the Tall Man once again.

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It's the multiverse theory that Mike spoke of, how different realities, when they converge, start to overlap. The ending where Reggie both rode off/died/hallucinated were the different realities, and Reggie was witnessing them all at once.

In one reality, the Tall Man never came, this was the reality where Reggie was in the nursing home. The reality where he died with Mike and Jody watching him was the reality where the Tall Man gave him back Mike and Jody in exchange for not pursuing him anymore. The reality where he drove off with Mike and Jody was the reality where he continued fighting the Tall Man and was reunited with Mike and Jody. This last reality is the one we've been following throughout the series.

In the reality where Mike is talking to Reggie in the nursing home, he explains the multiverse theory, where there are alternate universes and even alternate versions of yourself. When these realities come close together, they begin to overlap. This is why Reggie was jumping back and forth between the realities, the different Reggies were witnessing what was happening in these realities. The Tall Man's ultimate goal is the concur ALL these different realities and dimensions.

This also relates to the first movie, where Mike "dreamed" the whole movie, yet there are still sequences from that "dream" that are considered to have actually happened in later movies. Also, in the fourth movie, Mike has a flashback to where they hung the Tall Man rather than dropped him down a mine shaft. This was Mike experiences what Reggie did in this movie, he was witnessing different realities. This also explains the ending of the fourth movie, where Mike has a "flashback", he's seeing a reality where the Tall Man never came.

Now, I have a theory. I think that the reality where Mike and Jody hung the Tall Man was the "original" reality. After Mike defeated, and then foolishly freed the Tall Man, he took an interest in Mike, and wanted to turn Mike into a being like him (possibly seeking a companion), so he goes back in time and does this at some point, and Mike doesn't remember it, leading up to the events of the first movie. During the third movie, Mike realizes that he's similar to the Tall Man, and his powers begin to awaken, until Tall Man takes the ball in his head at the end of the fourth movie. I theorize this based on Mike saying how the Tall Man either put something in his head (the ball), or took something that was there all along.

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Interesting theory and I can understand exactly what you are saying.

SPOILER ALERT!

I find Reg's demise scene very difficult to watch. It also concludes that none of what we knew up until now ever occurred (similar to how Oblivion ended on the ice cream truck as Reg and young Mike drove away into the darkness - "It's the wind" - it's all in your head). If you have ever seen the commercial that Coscarelli did for the Alamo Draft house he showed a short vignette where The Tall Man and Mike were talking to each other and the Tall Man alluded "That it's all in your head". You can probably find this video on YouTube.

But, how could Jody have survived? Didn't he die in a car crash in Phantasm? How is it he is alive at the end at all was striking. In both 3 and 4, Jody is done in by the tall man. Even saying as much that he died in a car crash to Mike himself. That is how the first film ended with Reggie explaining this to Mike. So, I guess this is sort of like Lord of the Rings, there are many endings, you have to pick the one you like best.

To be honest, I think the hospital scene really sealed it for me. It was very touching and if it ended at that point I would have would have been happy with that ending. He was surrounded by his friends and his only family. It was really hard to watch.

I also think that perhaps in one of those realities they were all dead. Thus the final scene during the credits. There was no way that Chunk could have lived he had 4 devices attached to him. Also, explaining where Rocky was and how she got to that location was never discussed. Notice how you only see Reg in the back seat and not Jody and Mike. You are only to surmise that they were in the front seats. This leaves everybody including us talking about it forever. It also has us thinking "That it never really ends". Again alluding to what you said above.

I just wished that when Jody said "This is a heck of a way to start a trio", I wished that Reg would have replied "Yeah, we're hot as love"! It seems like it all circles back around. Thanks for your explanation. I really liked this thread.

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The reality where he died with Mike and Jody watching him was the reality where the Tall Man gave him back Mike and Jody in exchange for not pursuing him anymore.


Could be but the explanation I came away with was that in that reality none of it ever happened and Mike and Jody were alive the whole time. Maybe he really was suffering from dementia in that universe and dreamed up all the events of Phantasm.

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Could be but the explanation I came away with was that in that reality none of it ever happened and Mike and Jody were alive the whole time. Maybe he really was suffering from dementia in that universe and dreamed up all the events of Phantasm.


I don't think it was dementia, but it must have LOOKED like dementia. Reggie was remembering things that happened in other universes, to other versions of himself.

Seeing Reggie meet HIMSELF after travelling through a space gate would have been really cool.

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But, how could Jody have survived? Didn't he die in a car crash in Phantasm? How is it he is alive at the end at all was striking. In both 3 and 4, Jody is done in by the tall man. Even saying as much that he died in a car crash to Mike himself. That is how the first film ended with Reggie explaining this to Mike. So, I guess this is sort of like Lord of the Rings, there are many endings, you have to pick the one you like best.


Yes, Jody is "dead", but he was reanimated. When Jody told Mike he died at the end of the 4th movie, that was true. The Jody in this movie was likely one from another universe. If you recall in the 4th movie, after Mike stabbed Jody to death, another Jody appeared and dragged him through the portal, all while the dead Jody's body was in the background.

To be honest, I think the hospital scene really sealed it for me. It was very touching and if it ended at that point I would have would have been happy with that ending. He was surrounded by his friends and his only family. It was really hard to watch.


That was only one reality, one where the Tall Man never appeared. The realities were getting close, which is why Reggie was beginning to see what was happening, yet this was dismissed as dementia until Mike began to experience it as well. I too considered that it may all have been a dream, but the story continued (with Reggie alive), even after the Reggie in the hospital died. Also, the movies took place in several different characters points of view. If it was all a dream, then Reggie dreamed that he had dementia where he imagined a world where he dreamed that Mike dreamed of the Tall Man in the first movie, and even that is excluding a great deal and not taking a lot of things into consideration.

I also think that perhaps in one of those realities they were all dead. Thus the final scene during the credits. There was no way that Chunk could have lived he had 4 devices attached to him. Also, explaining where Rocky was and how she got to that location was never discussed. Notice how you only see Reg in the back seat and not Jody and Mike. You are only to surmise that they were in the front seats. This leaves everybody including us talking about it forever. It also has us thinking "That it never really ends". Again alluding to what you said above.


This is a possibility that. It's plausible to think that the Tall Man took over the afterlife, hence Reggie meeting up with Mike and Jody (if they did die at the end of the 4th film), and Rocky (if she died offscreen), and Chunk since he recently died. However, this is unlikely, as the Tall Man was conquering the living world and reanimating the dead to take back to his dimension.

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SPOILER ALERT/ My 2 Cents on the ending....

While I do get the fact that Reggie was sliding in and out of alternate hemispheres, I still have to think about the car scene where Jody first shows up and Reg takes the back seat. The dementia angle kind of reinforces the idea of slipping between the here and now and your mind going into a full erase. That is what Ravager means, it means that dementia was ravaging his brain. Reggie was struggling to deal with reality as he knew it because his brain was ravaged by disease.

Jody doesn't realize everyone is dead at the end of P5. So, it comes back full circle to the first scene in the original Phantasm and the conversation between Reg and Jody "Heck of a way to start a trio" line. I feel at this point, both Jody and Mike are both dead and Reggie is about to join them via the hospital scene. Mike tells Reggie that they really "missed" him (they had moved on and Reg hadn't yet - they came back for him). If you notice after his death scene they show scenes from earlier in the film and from the first film of all three of them together as sort of a homage. Then you see a final scene where Reg passes out or on, depending on how you look at it. The Cuda rides into the sunset, they are all together again elsewhere. Roll the credits. This is where I felt the movie should've ended.

So, if you think about it, Mike at the end of P4 is talking to Reggie telepathically and saying "Reggie, I'm dying,". Reg then makes a break for it through the portals to try and save him in time. Jody had been dead since the first film only to cameo in P3 and P4. Mike could have died at the end of P4 (but if you take the last scene with the ice cream truck into consideration, you'd think that every thing that happened between P2 and P4 never occurred). There is an issue between POV here, who's perspective are we really looking at? The first film was clearly Mike, the rest Reggie.

I think the scene during the credits does nothing but add confusion and ambiguity. We weren't invested in Chunk. I think they had to give an out to the possibility that there could be a P6 (if this film does well). It should have ended at the beginning of first set of credits, let the audience make up it's mind what happened. There were at least 2 scenarios with this ending that seemed plausible. And it could have wrapped the series up neatly.

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Unless they digitally create the Tall Man, I don't see how they can create a 6th film since Angus Scrimm is dead, unless they find a very convincing look alike.

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I basically got this was all a dream, part of Reggie's dementia. Possibly caused by the grief he originally suffered from his wife and daughter's deaths.

The reason I believe this?

The Tall Man's big discussion with him about how he was willing to give him his wife and daughter back but he REFUSED to give him Mike and Jodi. Then the nursing home ending. So my personal opinion, the Tall Man was Reggie's subconscious trying to get him to give in to death at long last to be with his wife and child and the reason the "Tall Man" wouldn't or couldn't give him Mike and Jodi is because they were alive, and always have been.


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You nailed it. Pt 2, 3, 4 and 5 are all dreams in Reggie's mind. The only thing that doesn't work is how Pt 1 could be his dream or even have anything to do with Ravager as it was all a nightmare in Mike's head about dealing with Jodie's death. This movie ties up all of the sequels but it doesn't gel with the original, but thats cool because Pt 1 is fine on its own and never needed sequels. Ravager does work as a finish to Pt 1 if Jodie in the hospital is a vision or ghost taking Reggie to the next world. The end credits is Reggie's afterlife where he gets to hang with his buddies forever, fight evil and I guess they are driving to meet his wife and daughter. This would mean Pt 2 is about Reggie's mental breakdown after his own family died in an accident. I guess he started believing the same things Mike did as a child. Which would make the Tall Man in their dreams real in some way, kinda like Pennywise in the minds of the kids in "IT". He's like some ethereal boogeymen that grieving people dream about when they can't accept death. Mike blamed himself for Jodie's death and saw the Tall Man and Reggie did the same with his family's death.

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The film and the series as a whole constantly talks of different dimensions/alternate universes. How else would you explain that Jody is walking and talking in Ravager, even though he died in the first film, nearly 40 years prior?

In one universe, Reggie died. In another, he and his friends battle against The Tall Man until the end of time.

We get our cake and can eat it too.

'Remember when' is the lowest form of conversation. - Tony Soprano

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Too bad Tommy was wasn't with them at the end.

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The series implied they were experiencing what's often referred to as the Russian doll universe. Except the part where the scenery suddenly gave way to another and the tall man appeared and stated they were in hell.

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Oh.

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