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My opinion

posted 9 years ago by uberfox
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I suppose it was an ok movie however it wasn't a movie worth watching twice.

The people in the movie and I suppose in real life (since this maddness is apparently what they actually did) seem to be a bit moronic first off the guy just walked off like he didn't have a care in the world (despite people should know the area is littered with mines).

Then his mates come up to him for no good reason since they should be smart enough to figure out this is a minefield and lets not go inside.

Then they are walking around on the mined area after somebody already got his leg blown off...

Then after second person gets blown up they still haven't learned their lesson and coamed the area properly for mines and get blown up by another just a few inches away.

It seems to me that the smartest thing to do was when the first man got blown up everybody should have been ordered back to safe area and a rescue chopper called to pull him out.

And of course if anybody is *stupid* enough they could go try help him but I would strongly advise them not to.

It seemed to me every explosion after the FIRST one was preventable and should not have happened.

If I was there I would have got out of that area the second the first guy got blown up and I would *refuse* to come help since it is better to be a living coward than a dead hero.

[–] ronfirv 9 years ago

I can't fully comment until I will have watched the film early next week I hope.

However, it is all well and good for armchair "experts" to say what they would have done or not. When one is faced with a sudden difficulty and a leadership issue, it is far from simple to give an answer until confronted. Often textbooks go out the window, when real people are on the ground.

No one but no one wants to be a dead hero but from that final comment of yours you have never served in HM Forces or known far less understood the camaraderie involved.

[–] uberfox 9 years ago

The point isnt that these people have a hard time its that they keep making things WORSE by doing stupid decisions.

Like walking into a minefield when two people have already been blown up there.

There really comes a time when you need to say *ok thats enough people blown up evereybody just DONT GO IN THERE*

You would think at some point they would understand that walking into a minefield really isnt a good idea and after 3 people have died you should really decide not to walk in there but nope they just keep coming in...

As for seving in army there are two problems with that:
1. I'm not legally allowed to serve in the army (and would be rejected if attempted to do so) due to an issue with my eye (tbf the only way they would accept me if the country is being invaded and they really need to arm every citizen they can find)
2. I wouldnt join even if I could since I know what horrors they do to soldiers with tained vaccines and depleted uranium ammunition and sending soldiers into very bad places hell the guys in the movie couldnt even get batteries they need so badly... Soldiers are not treated well in our army (UK).

[–] ronfirv 9 years ago

My late father served as an NCO in our Army (RA)and had no complaints that I can recall.
I was a Sandhurst cadet many years ago but sadly didn't make the grade. I should have joined the ranks but didn't.
I worked with an American company out in the Gulf many years ago on contract to the US Corps, and do admit the difference between their Base (which I stayed on often) and ours was very obvious, almost immediately so. The American guys wanted for little or nothing, all flown in from States-side, as it should be of course. I wouldn't say our troops are treated badly but would say our MoD could be more generous with them, not only in wages but in equipment and facilities and generally looking after them, even more so when they join civvy street.
I differ from you, as if a lot younger would serve, for sure.

[–] benman46 9 years ago

3 people died? Only 1 died and he did in the helicopter.

[–] bob-1135 8 years ago

Well you know what people say about opinions. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. According to you then in a war if someone gets hurt you stop everything and go back? If your mate is injured you do everything to get them out, if you had ever served in the armed forces you would know that, but apparently you are a veteran of countless video games and know better than these professional soldiers.

[–] uberfox 8 years ago

Any *professional* soldier should seal off an area when mines are detected and wait for the *proper* mine clearing people to deal with the situation.

Sending anybody else in is just a silly risk.

[–] bob-1135 8 years ago

Yes as I say you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

[–] uberfox 8 years ago

Really? You realize we have proper machines purpose designed just to clear minefields?

Even on D-Day the British mineclearing machines made a HUGE differance.

Only the idiot Americans were walking into minefields and getting blown up while the British was using machines to clear the mines.

Only a fool walks into a minefield period.

[–] bob-1135 8 years ago

Yes as I say you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

[–] uberfox 8 years ago

Excellent rebuttal you just got information about the fact we do use mine clearing machines and we have people trained to do that exact job and you are here saying *oh its perfectly fine for a bunch of soldiers on guard duty just to go walk into a minefield*.

People like you are beyond belief.

Troll.

[–] bob-1135 8 years ago

Yes as I say you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

May I ask how many years you served in the armed forces?

[–] uberfox 8 years ago

Once again the troll refuses to dispute the information given and instead continues to say nothing other than *you know nothing* thus it is time to end feeding this troll.

Blocked.

You had your chance to dispute what I said.

[–] bob-1135 8 years ago

And you had your chance to answer my question about being in the forces or are you just a video game armchair warrior, which you obviously are.

The reason I didn't take you up on your so called 'information' was your comments were so ludicrous you obviously had no idea what you were talking about, it would have been more use trying to discuss the theory of relativity with a penguin.

I was in regular service for 15 years and a further three as a civilian attached instructor in anti terrorist warfare to the British forces.

[–] rita_berkmeyer 8 years ago

This is the type of idiots who know everything and would be a liability in a situation like this , this idiot named uberfox is uber stupid and childish not even worthy of washing filled bedpans in any military hospital.

[–] heddlu 8 years ago

i think the point is that they were not in a position to deploy a mine clearing armoured vehicle and there were people bleeding out

[–] !!!deleted!!! (8778465) 8 years ago

The troops weren't allotted batteries or ammo. They had no communication between the minefield and anyone else until a guy in a truck overhearing the commotion picked them up and drove them to the location. They had to wait hours just for a suitable helicopter to become available. They where sent a giant helicopter (the Chinook) which proceeded to land directly on a *beep* mindfield, detonating a small handful of mines, because no one (people who had the comms with the chinook, If I remember it was like four degrees of separation between the chinook and the mindfield) bothered to let them know.

What makes you think it would have been remotely possible for them to get proper minefield clearing equipment/engineers? Remember when the Chinook landed and they where all desperately screaming for ATO? Maybe you don't know what that means.

In short, you don't know what you're talking about. People in other threads have mentioned the British army doesn't even typically field mine clearing units. They would have had to get equipment or squads capable of even doing that from a NATO army who fields such units, that would have taken days, possibly days before someone with the authority or capability to make it happen hears about it in the first place.

[–] uberfox 8 years ago

Are we supposed to feel good knowing our tax money is going to such buffoons?

[–] heddlu 8 years ago

Very sympathetic - I think the point is that if people are bleeding to death you do something. Thats the military ethic. You are entitled to your opinion of course - people like these buffoons and their fathers and grandfathers in the Para Reg and others fought for it

[–] Girls_Dont_Poop 8 years ago

You sound so smart maybe you could have made a differAnce in the war.

[–] johnnypascall123 8 years ago

They didn't have mine clearing equipment available. Their mates were lying there dying and they had communication problems. They didn't know they were in a mine field until it was too late and tried to avoid setting further mines off. Finally they were scared, tired and under intense strain, and people don't always make the wisest choices in those conditions. Honestly, I think I understand where you're coming from, but you really are misunderstanding the realities of the situation.

[–] neilcrossland 8 years ago

Uberfox. A couple of questions for you. I will assume you donate to Help For Heroes and the Royal British Legion poppy appeal, yeah? Before you hand over your cash, do you ask if the future recipients were "stupid" at the time they received their injuries. Have some respect. Your obvious disregard for the soldiers involved in this appalling incident is despicable.

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