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Did you find this movie to be...

posted 3 years ago by TheMan18 (12480)
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... Sexist and misogynistic? Or misandric? Or both or neither? MRA in any way oriented? Or, oddly or otherwise, feminist? Something that is highly misinformed and intentionally, or even just, turning the truths around? Or a satirical take on a type of matter that deals in, however less frequent, EXCEPTIONS? Something to take too seriously? Or mostly with a pinch of salt, suspension of disbelief and black comedy and satire?

Also, even WITH themes and scenes of gender reversal sexual violence in place, do we necessarily have to become so subject heavy here? Or can we, perhaps, in cinematic terms also, look at it in no less angry and defensive terms than we could with murder and other forms of violence, no matter the gender (or sex) of either perpetrator or victim, even if, and understandably so in today's day and age, many people would not be able to help it.

Or maybe we shouldn't take the movie in any way too seriously even with those factors, and HARSH and COMMON FACTS OF LIFE, that canNOT be disputed, and just watch it for what it is and go with the ride? And even accept the fact that, although far from for once, the villains or anti-heroes are female and the victim is male, and without giving it too much importance.

And yes folks they did that and this to him AND they threatened to kill him, so need to either debate this or that or argue over it too much, it is what it is, thank you.

Anyways...

[–] TheMan18 (12480) 3 years ago

Come to think of it, as with ANY film, or piece of art, or literature etc, even with given facts and whatnot, is any of this either 100% correct and literal, or all in the "eye of the beholder"?

[–] MovieChatUser497 (18943) 3 years ago

No, this movie is hot. Those two can do whatever they want to me.

[–] TheMan18 (12480) 3 years ago

No offense Movie Chat User 497 but that is a very shallow, removed from reality and typically stereotypical response that isn't really all that helpful. Even more than that, I myself, was frequently told off for even daring to explore why people may think like this in a typically attack-defensive throw words back at the user sort of way even if I didn't say I agree with that.

Plus, YOU may think like this or may not, BUT, a LOT of OTHER people who reviewed this movie really DID feel along the lines I've mentioned in the Opening Post of this thread.

Besides, you would NEVER hear women for instance even as a joke, at least not often in today's world, say such stuff, nor hear a man say these things if the perpetrators of similar stuff were men or women not presented even as "attractive villains" sort of film trope, but then even IF they were, given what damage they cause, I can't say that I for one would've wanted it, even on some subconscious male-fantasy-oriented "forbidden pleasures" sort of level.

But oh well, if you found this movie to be just that and none of the above, oh well... But just THINK about it for a moment PLEASE, thank you.

[–] MovieChatUser497 (18943) 3 years ago

Get off your high horse. I enjoyed the movie and found it erotic. It’s not sexist, you’re trying trying to sound important which you aren’t

[–] TheMan18 (12480) 3 years ago

I wasn't even on it. However point is it also made it curious in my own way even with those mentioned issues. And are those viewers just being on a high horse too, or do they ACTUALLY have a point to make, blunt as it is somehow?

Not trying to sound "important" at all, the thread is about the film after all, not "me".

But OK if that's how you felt about it, many viewers felt the same way about say "Basic Instinct" (1992). And interestingly enough, both at the time and decades later, audiences did find something in that movie to offend them and to complain about - BESIDES the fact that Sharon Stone's character was an antagonist.

Plus, OK maybe I HAVE become "socially sensitive" over the years and had people in my corners and other corners who were at that stage, but are we to simply DISMISS all they say or think as "non-sense"? Or just allow ourselves to calmly and passively "disagree" with them?

And for the record, Knock Knock was overall at best an average middle of the road sort of movie and with or without those issues and factors, I still give it at most, and if even that, 5/10.

[–] MovieChatUser497 (18943) 3 years ago

Get over yourself. and I never said it was a great movie, I said it was hot.

[–] TheMan18 (12480) 2 years ago

I know but also...

One of the main reasons alone I couldn't quite accept this as a legitimate answer, but I suppose if you officially de-facto feel this way its up to you, was that if featured, in this case a man, being hurt and victimized including sexually, and nearly murdered, albeit in this case by two women. Yes in this movie, it really does employ that "beautiful female villain" trope as both female characters emphasize their looks and wear make up and whatnot, but still...

Plus, and I bet I'm not the only one, certain viewers actually DID get THOSE vibes from this movie. And have stated it in a very authoritarian way. Reminding us in general, gasp, that common sexual abuse is a very sensitive issue in a specific category of its own, and even if portrayed in a movie like this, and is darkly satirized in a weird sorta movie-esque way too, well... Time for reality check.

I suppose I also kind of found it "somewhat hot" albeit in a forbidden morbid curiosity sort of way and in that perhaps male gaze-y type of variety albeit in a different than usual way.

[–] e3e34ifj (1308) a month ago

"No, this movie is hot. Those two can do whatever they want to me"

How to know if someone has never had sex before.

[–] TrentnQuarantino (8391) 3 years ago

Probably all of that, and other stuff ... mostly I watched a little of it and found it a total waste of time.

[–] TheMan18 (12480) 3 years ago

Ultimately, I was unsatisfied but I dare say I didn't think it was completely worthless, just average and mostly rather silly, despite dealing with potentially serious and sensitive issues INCLUDING that theme of gender reversal r***/sexual ass*ult/sexual ab*se and other things too. And about 5/10 at most, if even that, is what I give this movie and really no more than that.

Even Eli Roth himself, of whom I am mostly not a huge fan of, has done better.

[–] TrentnQuarantino (8391) 3 years ago

Can't stand Eli Roth or his movies.

[–] lemonhead1 (410) 2 years ago

Your posts could give an aspirin a headache!

[–] TheMan18 (12480) 2 years ago

Haha, don't tell me you feel life in general can be more ear, coherent and yes less headache inducing.

[–] TheMan18 (12480) a year ago

And a movie like this with such topics and it's approaches can even touch the braindead, lol.

[–] TheMan18 (12480) a year ago

I am also sure that, whether he even unintentionally succeeded is up for a debate, but director Eli Roth and also the filmmaking team here did NOT intend for this movie to be or to come across as misogynist, sexist, MRA (in the worst sense of the term, of course) - oriented and downright misinformed in either way.

At best, and it wasn't meant to be taken too seriously in spite of its adult themes and scenes, it was basically a trashy B or even C grade black comedy home invasion erotic horror thriller with role reversals and female psychopaths albeit ones that happen to be attractive and who also at least on one occasion just happen to do the kind of deed that male perpetrators INCLUDING in films of this and similar ilk, have been known to do among other acts of often serious and downright criminal wrongdoings.

[–] TheMan18 (12480) 6 months ago

And I don't think this movie was trying to "reverse" ANY truths or make any statements unfair about WOMEN IN GENERAL or make any one-sidedly selfish and wrongfully defensive statements about MEN let alone deny any, however harsh and gritty, well known and established facts about sexual abuse usually of a well known in similar related cases scenarios where say a man is guilty and women, unlike here, are for the most part victims.

I think it just wanted to tell a particular kind of cinematic TALE in its own and perhaps unique sort of way. The idea of having attractive girls as villains and the man a victim including in a sexual assault scene and sense was probably just done in order to give this movie a unique type of surprise cinematic shock value as opposed to deny any type of facts or distract from them for very selfish reasons. And even though it does deal with strong adult themes as well and it is an adult movie it isn't meant to be taken seriously either, a black comedy erotic horror thriller is basically what it is with trashy B or C grade veneer over it.

[–] alex321 (44) 2 months ago

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