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So Becca is just a ho, right?


We know that now.

She was married to Sean but they divorced. She was about to marry Andy before she went back to 1995. She went back in time and left Sean at the alter. Then she toyed with Andy and nearly ended his relationship with curly top. Just when Sean was getting over Becca and moving on with Paige and Becca comes back into the picture and messes that up too. Now we find out that 2003 Becca cheated on Sean with Kevin and thus alienating her best friend.

It's getting real hard to root for the protagonist in this show. I do have to admit that this show was getting boring before this episode. This episode was better.

Also, how does Becca not see it when Kevin flirts with her on the street in 2003? Even after she tells him she's married. Then he asks to walk with her. I've seen girls (even married ones) do this IRL. Do they really not see it? Or do they choose not to so they can try to justify it to themselves as "we're just friends."

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I think she did see it. She was in an unhappy relationship with Sean and didn't want to let go of that attention and validation that was coming from Kevin. I don't think this makes her a ho, though. She just has questionable judgment in men.

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I woudln't say she has questionable judgement in men. When the show first started, I thought Sean was just going to be the good looking douche bag, but the character is deeper than that. Last night was the first time that he was just outright douchey but it was to Paige, not Becca.

Andy seems like a nice enough guy. He's just confused. And we don't have to wonder why. He's obviously had a crush on Becca since childhood. She shows up at his door and kisses him when his gf is there. Then she brushes him off. Then she calls and tells him to meet her at the lake. Then when he gets better she tells him she can't do it. No wonder he's so confused.

Kevin is the only one so far that seems to be the real dbag. He can't be completely clueless on how Lolly feels about him in either timeline. The way she fawns over him. She asks him to come to NY. Girls don't tell you to travel across several states to see them unless they like you. But he brushes her aside and goes for her best friend. In the previous timeline, Becca tells him she's married but that doesn't concern him at all. He goes right on ahead pursuing her and then committing adultery with her. He doesn't care what he's done to her husband or how it makes him feel.

No, it's not a bad judbment in men. The problem is clearly Becca.

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Sean is a douche since the first episode. Maybe people can't get past the Aussie accent, ripped abs, or blonde 1995 hair but his attitude is so self-absorbed. Paige is just as annoying and they deserve each other's choleric personality.

Andy was waiting all this time for her and she tossed him around. Originally he doesn't start dating her till 2011, then they wait 4 years after living in sin to get married. Now he's ready to marry Melanie, when they originally broke up. Fate stepped in twice to prevent Becca and him from getting together.

Now comes Kevin who has no problem being an adulterer, a player and a liar to both her and Lolly. Apparently it doesn't work out since he was gone by 2011 - either they broke up after Lolly and her stopped being friends or he's dead.

Becca has both poor taste in men and doesn't want to choose wisely. It's also a miracle she's not pregnant by 2015 with all the bed hopping!

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I just don't get blaming all the guys and not Becca. She's the common denominator here. She's the problem. I'm not saying the guys are flawless, but she's the problem.

She toyed with Sean until he wised up at Thanksgiving. Poor Andy is but a pawn in Becca's love games. Poor guy doesn't know if he's coming or going because she's left him so confused. Not to mention how Becca has treated her supposedly best friend. In the original timeline she knew how Lolly felt about Kevin but decided to hop into bed with him anyway even though she was married at the time. In the new timeline you can see Becca being tempted again seemingly having learned nothing even though she's been given a second chance. She keeps choosing the space between her legs over friends and other people's feelings.

Becca is getting to be a really hard character to like and root for.

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I agree with you. Becca is, in reality, 40 years old. I expect young women in their 20s to be making the judgement errors, but by the time you are 40 you should know what is right and what is wrong and not be a self absorbed ego-centric bitch anymore. I can not like this character, because the story dictates that she should be smarter and not recreating the same problems (and even adding onto them) She should have learned from her life experience, and I am not seeing any sign of a mature developed woman, placed into her younger body.

If this character did not mature beyond her idiotic 20 year old self, then what is
the point of the show? Just that she gets a better career because she remembers what bands were hot? Sorry...that's not enough to hold my interest.

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Good point, kaisermom. She may look 23 or whatever to the other characters, but she's really 20 years older than all of them with 20 years more experience. If a 43 year old divorcee started acting like a girl in her early 20s and toying with guys and acting the fool, people would tell her to grow up.

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She should have learned from her life experience, and I am not seeing any sign of a mature developed woman, placed into her younger body.

There are a few moments here and there where she comes across as being more mature and I'm expecting Jamie to call her on it. Other than that she does often act more like a person who is mentally in her early 20s. Early in the series I told myself she must be feeling things in her younger body that override her 40-something wisdom (also keeping in mind that a lot of 40-something year old people don't have all the answers). As corny as it might sound, there could be some sort of physiological and mental conflict like that going on. I don't recall her saying anything like that, but then again dialogue like that could get old, so to speak. On top of that she was impulsive about finding out the reason she was sent back in time and changed too many things before she could stop it.

Odds are that if any of us were sent back in time, into our younger bodies, we would change things in a somewhat similar way, just because we wouldn't be able to retrace our steps from one hour to the next even if we tried. Then we would have to make the most of our new circumstances and hopefully benefit from our knowledge of that era. Becca changing her past is more specific than that for our benefit, so we more-or-less know what has been changed. I like that there are also things she can't change, which tells me everything should eventually come together in a way which fits. In the meantime Becca may learn things about herself that she missed the first time around and we all get to experience the '90s in Becca's little part of the world.



Mag, Darling, you're being a bore.

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LOL what? There are tons of forty-somethings who still act immaturely. Just because you're of that age does not mean you're any wiser than you were ten, fifteen years prior.

If we had a show where Becca did behave the way you wanted (yawn), then the show would be over in like 2 episodes. No conflict, no drama, no tension, just boring and even more derivative garbage. Thank God you're not a writer for TV shows. We have enough trash on TV.

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I do have to say I agree, I mean on the part where you say she's the problem (not the hoe part...although...well..) I mean, of course she's the problem! when you consider that:
1. she's the protagonist
2. she's the one who traveled back in time
3. you know the plot line from Being Erica which Hindsight is loosely based on.

I'll explain:
1. she's has to be imperfect, that's how most of protagonists are built in series. If you draft a perfect character viewers can't identify with them
2.clearly, the writers have meant for her to go back in time to solve her *beep* The fact that she says it every second just confirms it. Solve what, change what or who and when...? we're not told yet.
3.The base for Being Erica was that everyone has regrets some have made bigger mistakes than others, and some again simply accumulated a lot of bad choices making them feel miserable. traveling back in time helps you get perspective and learn from your mistakes as well as accept the choices you've made.So basically here for Becca, going back in time must me she has a lot of *beep* to clear.

Now, you have to keep in mind some of those to understand why she's like she is. I don't defend her character, fact is, I find it shallow and immature for a supposedly 40 something.
If i'd go back in time, my focus wouldn't be men, but most certainly my choice of studies, jobs and so forth...but I guess your view depends on where you are in your life. a 20 something won't try to fix the same things as a 30 something same goes for 40somethings.
there are stages in life when some things are more important than others. and I guess for Becca it's finding a trustworthy long-living relationship hence "hoe" feeling.

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1. she's has to be imperfect, that's how most of protagonists are built in series. If you draft a perfect character viewers can't identify with them

Since around the fourth episode I was wanting to say that to some people on Twitter who acted like Becca's not supposed to make mistakes, but then I would've sounded like a broken record trying to make the point to every one of them. However, for me, her wishy-washiness went too far several minutes before the season finale ended (it was already bad enough before that). If she did make another time jump after that, it better be good enough to help give Becca more of a backbone.

If i'd go back in time, my focus wouldn't be men, but most certainly my choice of studies, jobs and so forth...but I guess your view depends on where you are in your life.

Same here. I thought there would be a little less drama regarding Becca and her men and more of the focus being on her new job this season. Unfortunately Becca probably can't be too much of a genius in her job with predicting what's going to be hot in pop culture, since in the real 1990s real people were responsible for certain things becoming mainstream, so there may be a risk of giving a fictional character credit for it. Not that it hasn't happened before with other shows or movies, but these writers may want to avoid it.

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I'm not going to make that call just yet, until the Kevin situation is resolved, though things aren't looking good. When the show started, I liked Becca, but it gets harder as the show progresses since it seems like she's letting her hormones make her decisions for her.

Her choices in her first go-around weren't admirable, but sometimes, sh*t happens, people make mistakes, especially when young, and from an outsider's perspective (ie not one of the people she's wronged) I think hers were forgivable. Or at least understandable.

But if she makes the same mistake with Kevin on a second chance, armed with hindsight, when the the consequence is supposedly the worst thing that ever happened to her, then she's borderline functionally retarded.

It would be different if she thought "Hey,I lived 10 or 15 years without Lolly, and on seeing her a second time, I realize she really isn't that great", but all indications are that she is desperate to save their friendship. So what's so hard? Why is it such a dilemma?

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"borderline functionally retarded"-- I love it and couldn't agree more

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Becca just acts really childish its just painful to watch the way she treats the men in her life.

RIP Cory Monteith your fans miss you dearly

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I'd have to agree. Becca was likable and sympathetic in the beginning but now she's just a bit of a mess. She and Kevin apparently break up since she and Andy were gonna get married, so she basically destroyed her friendship with Lolly for nothing. As for the ho thing, I noticed she hasn't really been fixing anything, she's just been sleeping around a bit, whether it was with Sean or Todd. 

I would always rather be happy than dignified. 

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Why is Melanie a shrew?

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Why is Melanie a shrew?


She never stops talking about herself, puts on airs, puts others down, controls Andy to the nth degree, etc. Good thing he's a pushover.

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So, everyone's looking at Becca like she should know better. But, in the situation she's been given she's just as confused as she has ever been. Imagine having her life... Now, imagine being given the chance to "fix" it. What would you do? And be honest! In the moment, you always think you'll do the right thing, but when that moment is actually happening it never really seems to go as planned.
As far as Sean goes, she loved him, but knows there is nothing that will change the way things end with him. But because she does love him, it's not a horrible thing to try and make it work knowing what goes wrong and hoping that by knowing maybe she can alter that outcome. Having it blow up in her face. That was not her being a hoe, or whatever you wanna call her. It was her being hopeful that she can make it work out. Sean calling her on it just shows her it isn't her destiny.
Andy is a totally different problem. She knows going in that she has a relationship with him, but that it's not built out of passion, but love & friendship. So, she tries to shove passion into it early on, but that isn't gonna work either. They're not meant to be together, and that's why she walks away. In her deepest heart, she knows it won't last.
Kevin. Now there is her greatest failure. Not only is he the end of her relationship with Lolly, but also Sean. He is her atomic bomb. The worst part of it, as seen in all "flash-forward" scenes, is that it is by far her best relationship. With him, she feels passion, friendship & love. Everything needed for a sustainable relationship to work. So, as much as she doesn't want it to happen again, fate is not going to allow it. They're meant to connect. Fate doesn't throw you at that just to watch you be able to walk from it. And she did try. But even knowing he's her poison, she still has the memory of what he meant to her. And it's too much to walk away from. Maybe he is her destiny, and because she doesn't know how to handle being honest instead of just trying to avoid it, that's why it didn't work. She should have just told Lolly the second Kevin showed up. Then, maybe because Lolly loves her best friend, and she was honest, the friendship is saved and the relationship isn't doomed. But she didn't. So, it's the same betrayal all over again.
So, to wrap it all up... No, she's not a ho. She's a confused woman stuck in a 24 year old body just trying to stop her life from imploding again. And failing. Miserably. But, I'm pretty sure if anyone had the same chance to go back, what you think you'd do, and what you'd really do, would not be the same. Everyone has the best intentions u til its staring you in the face.
Just sayin... She not irredeemable yet. I think her failure makes her more real. If even a little bit desperate and sad, but not horrible.

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Right on. Perspective is a funny thing. We've been viewing this as Becca going back to save her friendship with Lolly. Becca's viewing this as her chance to save that friendship. What if that's not what she's supposed to be doing? Maybe that friendship can't be saved and she's supposed to realize it and let it go. I'll be honest, Lolly annoys me a lot more than Becca right now. I also think that whatever happened with Kevin the first time will shed more light on Becca's current actions when we finally get to find out about it. Kevin might be her One That Got Away. Who wouldn't consider taking another chance if you suddenly found out you had another chance with That One?

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The only things going back to 1995 fixed is that:

1. She doesn't marry Sean and saves herself 10 years of heartache.

2. She's spared not dating or marrying Andy, whom she had no passion for.

3. Dumping Andy made him end up marrying that shrew Melanie when they originally broke up (and probably will divorce in the future).

4. Lolly's friendship is saved so far.

If she stopped seeing Kevin after Lolly's friendship was over in 2003, the only reason to go back would be to marry Kevin.

If she did marry Kevin, then he died or they divorced before she dated Andy in 2011, she should've leaped back after Thanksgiving, when the Sean and Andy problems were fixed.

I don't see how Lolly could handle Becca dating and marrying Kevin.

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When Becca was about to marry Andy, her mind was awash with doubts; she loved Andy more like a friend/brother, reminisced about how passionate her relationship with Sean was, and most of all pined after her long-lost friend Lolly.

Not once did she think about the lost "love of her life", Kevin.

There is no mention of him whatsoever when she traveled back, until the girls took their impromptu road trip. So while I can believe she was very attracted to or in lust with Kevin, given the set-up, I can't believe her relationship with him was more important than her relationship with Lolly.

And even if she realizes that it is, just be honest about it. I would respect the character a lot more if she just made a choice, one way or the other. I never understood why she was so secretive with Lolly. Their friendship ended because of a guy they were fighting over? SHOCKER! Why not talk it out?

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I feel like Lolly was plenty obnoxious to Jamie in particular (with Becca after the fact not seeming to care about what she was just warning Lolly about pre-Jamie-relationship initiation, which is odd), but it’s a difficult call, because I think one of the things that they have showed us quite clearly with Jamie is that, benign or not, he’s the architect of his own misery, and not Lolly. “Better loving” won’t, for example, make Jamie put down that bong; he strikes me as concrete evidence of all the adages about learning your own life lessons, and anyone who loves/sides with you at that time, has the choice of either being wingperson for as long as it will last, or winding up collateral damage.

There are no endings, happy or otherwise, until your wild child dies/reforms.

Kevin, I call “bad writing and a failure in imagination on the part of the showrunner(s)”. “Bad writing” because I don’t think Kevin’s existence is “the big secret” Becca had to tell Lolly about because it was never phrased like that until he showed up, as if they just thought of it on the spot; heck, it was never really phrased like “a secret” either. They led us to believe it was something innocuous that Lolly blew out of proportion. I don’t think there was anything innocuous about what actually happened, unless they’re trying to give us a big contrived set-up to run a Rayanne/Angela “a lousy guy you never really had” line, past our unsuspecting noses. (It probably would have played better if Lolly had been shown platonically fond of Sean all along so that she could care about Sean’s being betrayed too, but you can’t have everything I guess.) “A failure in imagination”, I say, because, to echo some others, I don’t think Becca needs any more men panting after her heels as a plot twist.

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Women can't be hoz, that's strictly limited to men.

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Yeah, Becca basically follows her vagina everywhere. She even said that most of her marriage to Shawn was about the sex, and she felt no passion for Andy (meaning lust). Now she's about to sleep with her bff's love interest because she's hot for him, and she never stopped to think about Lolly beforehand. She's a selfish twat who needs to fix herself first.

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Follows her vagina everywhere. Ha. That's great. And your post is spot on.

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So true about the vagina comment.


However, not defending her - but, sometimes one's purpose in life is for their own happiness inspite of others.

Silence is Golden and duct tape is Silver

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