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Two Things Turing Could Do to Find His Own "Proof"

posted 9 years ago by peggygeordie
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Rather than deliberately flatline, there are two things Turing could easily do - given his near infinite resources - to give himself more of the evidence he seeks.

He could find a top-notch regressionist who would take him back to his past lives and even his life between lives, which for people who have been through it is so convincing he would have no more doubts or fear of dying.

Or he could - again, making use of his ability to access the BEST in every field - find a medium who could contact the other side (not the guy Carolyn has been talking to). Presumably evidence of deceased loved ones knowing things no one else would know could convince him that they survive, therefore that he will survive.

Both of these are non-intrusive, risk almost nothing (except a shakeup of his own preconceptions) and could be done discreetly. So why doesn't he? At worst, he gets nothing - which is where he is now.

Someone willing to flatline for the answers - and he should know that most cases of flatlining produce nothing but unconsciousness; the NDEs are just a fraction of such cases - should be willing to risk expanding his own consciousness.

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[–] kjperes13 9 years ago

Did you see the previews for the finale? It's Carolyn who wants to flatline...

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[–] peggygeordie 9 years ago

But he did have the apparatus set up to use himself. And in any case, my question was: why not use these alternate methods?

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[–] cosmic_surveyor 9 years ago

Regression and seance require a 3rd party medium who is at worst a charlatan. Given Turing's 'state of mind' and increasing desperation, that medium can abuse that advantage. Since Turing is a skeptic, the results won't move him any closer.

Direct experience, if NDE should happen, would be ideal. But, as already demonstrated in the show, the recalled imageries are subject to interpretations and further confusion.

The 'only' appreciable route is to tie a string around a particular finger of his. Every time he notices the string, remind himself what his purpose is after he dies, until that reminder becomes part of him, body and soul.

Instead of asking and paying Dr. Tyler to provide him an answer, he becomes the answer for Dr. Tyler, as he innovates a mechanism to communicate with Dr. Tyler after he dies.

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Est modus in rebus sunt certi denique fines quos ultra citraque nequit consistere rectum Goldilocks

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[–] peggygeordie 9 years ago

Excuse me, but regression is NOT performed by mediums. There are board certified psychiatrists who can do the job.

You say "at worst" mediums are charlatans, but what about the "at best" end of the spectrum? Generalization is not scientific but pure prejudice. Mediums have been tested in studies allowing no possibility of reading body language and come up with "hits" FAR above statistical probability.

I assume with his resources Turing could source out a legitimate medium. And he's intelligent enough to know if it's the real deal after a reading. If not, he's no worse off.

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[–] fantasies 9 years ago

Moreover, he said that as soon as he gets "better" he's going to flatline, with or without Carolyn. That makes all kinds of sense. He has stage four cancer, he's got some sort of brain tumor that is separate from his cancer. He's got months to live and he was just found unconscious on the floor. I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that flatlining for recreation might not be the best idea for him. For someone so afraid of dying he's taking all sorts of chances with his life that make it seem like he has a death wish.

What's the point of knowing what happens after you die anyway? You can't change what happens. He thinks that knowing what happens after you die before you die is going to do what exactly? He thinks he's not going to be afraid to die if he knows what happens after he dies? I'm pretty sure that everyone who has ever died in the history of humanity didn't know what was going to happen and they managed to die successfully.

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[–] peggygeordie 9 years ago

I've heard from hospice workers that atheists tend to experience more fear at the end and have a harder time letting go, which makes sense. But fearfully or blissfully, he will let go.

Too bad he doesn't have a spiritual mentor who might lead him into the practice of "letting go" now. He can no longer control his own health, let alone events. Time to make peace, express love, let go of the ego.... Just be. And then he might find the answers he's looking for.

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[–] fantasies 9 years ago

You silly girl! Using logic again.

We must excel, not just exist.

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[–] Keelai 9 years ago

There are people who could have trained them to have an Out of Body Experience which would be less dangerous than stopping one's heart to feign death. Isn't the whole point of Ivan's quest to find out if consciousness exists without the physical body? Of course, an OBE wouldn't make the show as interesting.

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[–] peggygeordie 9 years ago

Oh, but it could be interesting with the right script and a bit of creative art direction. And you are right. The frustration of knowing that so much research has already been done, that there are people trained in inducing OBEs as well as everything I mentioned above, and yet the show has chosen to create willfully characters who pretend to be explorers.

Imagine the truly exciting "inner exploration" the genuinely curious could have with Turing's money and connections.

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[–] cosmic_surveyor 9 years ago

"Isn't the whole point of Ivan's quest to find out if consciousness exists without the physical body?"

Reads like you're moving the goalpost.

What can Ivan Turing expect to encounter, if anything at all, after he dies? NDE's, regression and seances don't answer that question. They only deflect the focus of his question.

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Est modus in rebus sunt certi denique fines quos ultra citraque nequit consistere rectum Goldilocks

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[–] peggygeordie 9 years ago

No, I think you are missing the real question, which is whether genuine consciousness exists outside of the physical brain/body. Evidence for the afterlife is only part of the full spectrum of evidence that we are more than our bodies.

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[–] cosmic_surveyor 9 years ago

But it's YOUR real question, not the fictional Ivan Turing's. And the fictional Carolyn Tyler won't give a hoot about YOUR real question either. Because she is responding to Turing's need.

Now, the show will entertain us viewers by addressing YOUR real question with drama, because Turing's question can never be addressed without going Supernatural.

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Est modus in rebus sunt certi denique fines quos ultra citraque nequit consistere rectum Goldilocks

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[–] peggygeordie 9 years ago

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by the word "supernatural" in this context. If the afterlife exists - and I of course believe there's ample evidence that it does - then it is just as "natural" as this reality.

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