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We're supposed to be better than this!


First, the documentary is fantastic, and probably one of the best, most truthful docs I've ever seen concerning our war in Iraq (or Afghanistan, for that matter).

With that said, the last segment caused me more anger and distress than any doc I've yet seen. There was absolutely NO excuse for what those soldiers did, or didn't do, I should say. I understand that he was an "enemy combatant" (a term Bush put into effect to skirt international laws regarding the enemy in Iraq), and I understand that he was carrying that weapon with the intent of killing American soldiers. This means that when he is shot, if he is still alive, but not able to continue fighting, he deserves, and HAS EVERY RIGHT to, medical attention. What does he get instead? He gets laughter, a rag thrown over his face, condemnation, and even more laughter during his body's fight to stay alive. It would have been better if they had taken him out of Ware's camera range and put one in his head to end his suffering. Instead, what we get is our American troops, which constantly call themselves the best in the world, acting like evil children intent on causing as much suffering as possible. Like kids burning ants with a magnifying glass...this was pure evil.

I understand that war changes people. I understand PTSD. I understand absolute anger in what Zarqawi and his people did to our allies and civilians. I understand every bit of that, so I understand WHY they did what they did. It doesn't matter. We don't know what happened to those soldiers, but I certainly hope that they were/are disciplined and/or convicted of whatever crime that heinous act falls under.

Our soldiers are supposed to be professional soldiers that stand up for an ideal that treats human beings as human beings. Enemy or not, that person did not deserve the treatment he got while he was dying. It's deplorable and a black eye on the soldiers who would have done the right thing, as in some type of medical treatment. Yes, I know the man was going to die no matter what, but that doesn't mean that he deserved to suffer and be laughed at. It's disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.

Those men will carry around what they did for the rest of their lives, and it will eventually be tearing them up inside. If it doesn't, they aren't worthy to be called human beings, much less American soldiers. We are supposed to be better than this.




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well said.. last scene was horrible.. at least they could have cut the camera and put one in his head.. "uh uh he stopped breathing for a while but now twitching again" i mean come on..

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That, too. They could have asked Ware to cut his camera so they could administer the coup de grace.

It's not that he was dying, nor the fact that there was really nothing that could be done for him, that ticked me off. It was the total indifference, and humor derived from the man's suffering. Though I do understand, while not condoning it, that the laughter was a coping mechanism of a sort.

The reasons are obvious to anyone that knows anything about war, and anyone who knows about our recent conflicts. Still, the reasons don't make it right.


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again =) well said

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First of all thank you Michael Ware to make this docu,so finally young generation will feel how bad War is.It is a real life docu which brings for many People the bad dreams again like my self even i was just civilian contractor.In the end of this documantary the reporter said ``I should have to say something`` while the iraqi boy was dying.it would have change nothing.I dont blame the soldiers because in combat there is one thing its you or them.I wrote something about another movie which was war/contractor related (A Perfect Day 2015) i will copy and paste it here there you can understand even in this situations if you try to say or do something its worthless.

This is my what i wrote about the movie A PERFECT DAY-2015
----I have been as a Civilian Contractor in hostile environments in two different War zones. The movie tells us not just War is bad,its also tells us how our hands are tied against Army Protocols and bureaucracy even in this areas.
No matter how many bad things you see,and you know in just minutes you can fix the situation to help local people but suddenly you hear the voice of a commanding Person ``do your job,you are not here to empathize with the locals``.
So i can totally understand the message that the movie gives to the audience.
And Please dont forget war is money for Companys but its a big wound that will never heal for the Civilians.

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However, the ignorance of the general public towards war is astonishing. I know that all the left-wingers believe that this shouldn't have happened, but the reality is that these terrorists would have done far worse atrocities to the allie soldiers if they were put in the exact same scenario. By letting that person suffer, hopefully, it will deter people with similar terrorist mindsets into going into war against Israel, America, Australia and the entirety of the Western world. Also, the scumbag probably deserved it too. That's the reality of war everyone! Love it or hate it, these soldiers are the only people keeping terrorists from decapitating you in your own country!!! Be a little more grateful for what these brave soldiers have to go through and experience, and if you don't support the allie troops, sadly, you are non-patriotic and an enemy to every country that goes against terrorism.

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It's easy to stay on your moral high horse when you're sat at your PC in a nice safe suburb.
You haven't been through what they went through. You haven't had to be always watching over your shoulder because it seems everyone is trying to kill you. You haven't watched your friends getting blown up and shot.
And no, there is no "Yeah but.." response, yu have no judgement to pass that is worth a damn. You're completely ignorant to what war is or how it affects a person. You only know what you see and read, which isn't worth tuppence.

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And it's precisely your type of response, and the actions that happen, that necessitate having a CIVILLIAN government to make the decisions on what's moral and what isn't. A government and decision body which isn't skewed by what you are and the soldiers in combat are.

As I said, I understand why they did it, but that still doesn't make it right.

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And that's why we keep losing Gabe. Constant interference in wars by governments more focused on being elected, and a media more concerned with the enemies human rights. You want to send the lads over there to satisfy your concerns with keeping the civilians safe, but balk at letting them take the gloves off and actually do what they have to do, kill the enemy with all due prejudice.
Your sanctimony and that of the media are killing our own men and women.
If we'd have executed WW2 today, we'd have been hammered inside of two years.

My son said it best when he returned from Helmland. "it's ridiculous dad, you need a bloody solicitor in the trench with you before you can contact the enemy"
And the Enemy know it!

Madness.

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Yes, it is madness, and the last thing we need to do is start acting like Nazis or the Russians when they invaded Berlin. They burn us alive so we should do the same to them, right? Hardly.


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