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The insurgent dying at the end ??!!


That was some crazy footage of that insurgent just breathing with his head half blown off . I mean Holy Shyt !!
Now I for one was not for the doctor or core man to try to save him when I believe there was nothing to be done as well as he deserved to die.
Do some of you think that the insurgent had a right to be checked on ? Is that under some kind of law of the Geneva convention or anything like that ??
I was glad that POS was left for dead. What a documentary!! WOW

THERES NO ROOM IN MY CIRCUS TENT FOR YOU !!!!

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Yes, it was mind-numbing for sure. I think under the Geneva Convention you are supposed to take any prisoners and treat them with some sort of medical care...and so on..an officer said get the doc and give him care...another guy said if they wanted to CAS-VAC him and he said basically there's no point, he's a goner. So in a way they did their share but nothing could be done. The insurgents wouldn't have done Anything for one of ours. It was still a troubling scene for sure. We both sorta chuckled when they said "you got *beep* up bro" but watching him die was also tough..and I think that's what Ware was saying, they'd become so used to it they just didn't care. Even though he got what he deserved. Like one of them said "that was friggin stupid."

Dave "Crown Time" Blankenship for Time Man of the Year.

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I don't know what law it falls under, as according to Bush's naming of them as "enemy combatants" they don't exactly fall under the laws of the Geneva Convention, but I'm sure there are some laws that this violated.

Aside of that, it goes against everything we stand for as human beings. Whether their troops would have done the same thing to an American soldier in the same situation doesn't matter. We are supposed to be better than this. What they did was disgusting.


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Aside of that, it goes against everything we stand for as human beings. Whether their troops would have done the same thing to an American soldier in the same situation doesn't matter. We are supposed to be better than this. What they did was disgusting.



It wasn't their finest day, but I see nothing wrong with what they did or didn't do. I suppose a medic could have gone through the motions trying to give him aid, but really it wouldn't have made a difference. I suppose they could have killed him with a Morphine OD, like they did in WW2, but the PC libs would have opposed that as well.

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The PC libs would have been much more amenable to a Morphine OD than just letting the person die, IN THAT FASHION. It wasn't that the person died, as they were almost certainly going to anyway, no matter what, and who knows if the person even felt anything, which they most likely didn't. It was the fact that absolutely NOTHING was done whatsoever, save turning it into a form of comedy. It wasn't funny, yet you could tell that to some of them it was as if it was the funniest thing they had ever seen. Laughing, making snide comments.

I realize that people deal with awful things in strange ways sometimes, and it doesn't necessarily mean that the way they deal with the situation is who they really are. What I do know is that what they didn't do, as in trying to at least do something, whether it's a morphine OD, a morphine pain relief, a further shot to put him out of his misery if no medic was available due to it being a hopeless situation (there was a medic, as we heard and saw), was absolutely disgusting.

And here's what REALLY bugs me...we see what a few troops will do (or won't do) in front of a camera. What goes on without one being present?



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1) Laughing and joking is one of the very few ways that Military in combat has for dealing with extreme stress and horror of war. This is a fact brought up by numerous authors over the years, most of who were "in the *beep* themselves.

2)Medicine designed to SAVE a life can be used, even for enemy combatants. I am 100% certain it is against every possible regulation to use FIELD medication to end an enemy combatants life. What if the medic ran short of painkiller and that resulted in the death of an American? Yes, you can die from pain. It happens if the body does not go into shock.

I dont recall EVER, any valuable medication was ever used to end an enemy's suffering. Bullet, knife? Yes. Morphine over dose? No way.

So many of the insurgents were drug abusers. It is possible that an enemy is an addict and it would take 5X+ the normal amount of Morphine to end his life.

Shooting even a MORTALLY wounded enemy on or off camera could get any soldier or Marine SERIOUSLY *beep* court martialed and imprisoned at hard labor in the worst prison in the USA, Fort Levenworth. Our guys were constantly woried about going to prison for simply defending themselves. The rules of engament wee constantly changing, ambiguous and frustrating. There were FEW times the military was actually enabled to WIN anything in Iraq due to Lib-Tards and politicians.

Fallujah was one exception after the *beep* savages burned, mutilated and hung our guys (Contractors) from the bridge. Typical stupid move. Like that was supposed to intimidate us into non action. NOT!

Mercy shots HAVE happened....until recently when media would record them and the soldiers firing the mercy shots would get seriously *beep* (Are the soldiers qualified doctors? What gives them the right to shoot an unarmed man?...etc etc)

No, you (BLEEDING HEART) Lib-Trads have basically ham strung our guys from giving any coup de grace. Hope you SJW's are proud of your selves.

The whole premise (bullet/morphine) will not work(be legal or PC) under any scenario...ever. Sorry, my friend. If you did not see already that War is Hell, then I dont know what else to say.


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Nice spelling of coup de grace. You probably pronounce it the way you spelled it, too. Secondly...all you do is justify their disgusting behavior. Nice.



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LOL. That spelling error WAS pretty bad, wasn't it?

I SPEAK excellent French, so they tell me in France where I go frequently (Belgium too). I just cant spell (even English) all that well, period. Thank God for Spell Check...which unfortunately did not catch that particular, glaring, spelling error.

Oh well, better a RE-Tard than a LIB-Tard, I always say! :)
Have a nice day!

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And that second to last sentence says so much more about you than I'm sure you cared to let us know.


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Arguing on the internet is like the Special Olympics.
Win or loose...you are still a retard! :)

Have a NICE day!

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And there it is again. You are such a wonderful person. I hope your parents are proud.

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:)

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I don't know if the filmmaker was trying to make the Americans look inhumane. I'm sure the PC libs will whine about this, but keep in mind that Zarqawi saws the heads off innocent civilians.

In that context, I have no problem with what the soldiers did, or didn't do. They would have gotten into trouble if they put him out of his misery.

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At least go the morphine route man. Like the previous poster said, Cut the camera and inject him. Or put a bullet in his head. That was brutal to watch. War is literally hell.

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Unfortunately the context of the whole situation at the time in Baquba wasn't described before the scene as well as some other scenes before.
Pretty much after AQI was defeated in Anbar they moved to the Baquba area. The town of Hib Hib where Zarqawi was killed is only about 10-15 minutes from Baquba. Those guys that were shown had been in pretty heavy contact in the area for awhile. This same time period there were quite a few suicide bombings that inflicted many KIA.

It's always easy to judge from the sideline, but if you didn't spend that full 18 months with those guys then you don't have any clue what all had lead up to this.

Also, in areas like Baquba when this was filmed, medevacs flying in have a good possibility of getting shot down which opens up a whole other ballgame.

Plus if they were on an extended mission, they might have made the snap decision to save their medical equipment for people that could benefit from it.

As for laws of warfare, those are all things that sound great in theory and make the people not taking active part of the conflict feel better about themselves, but on the ground it gets confusing and chaotic quick. Couple that with lack of sleep, food, cleanliness and the stress, there is no loss of feelings for a guy that was actively moving to try and kill you and your buddies.

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I know that putting a bullet in his head would have been basically a war crime, and even if they felt bad for the man I can't see one of them taking the risk of throwing their military career, and freedom away. Absolutely, calling in for a CAS-VAC would have risked lives for a man that was beyond hope. About the only thing they could have done was give him some morphine, but we don't know how much medical supplies were on hand and how much they might have been needed IF something happened to that squad on their way back to their base.


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I thought it was disgusting the way they went about it. I understand he was the "evil" one and the one trying to kill them, making him the "enemy" but the fact is, at the end of the day he is HUMAN and was dieing. It was over. They got him and he was down. But to sit back, watching him laughing and insulting him as he slowly died was just flat out horrible. It made me embarrised that that was OUR soldiers there. Yes, He may be fading out and going to Hell but those soldiers sitting there laughing and insulting him will join Him one day. That was terrible. I can only hope that that was just a few bad soldiers and not a representation of the majority of our soldiers because in that minute, they were just as guilty as the enemy.

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No they were not. Joking is one of the very few ways of stress relief in war, that's why soldiers make jokes in inappropriate times. Otherwise they would mentally break.

Don't make any assumptions from your safe couch, you weren't in that situation. It could have been they were short on morphine, or out of it.
Besides, the guy was dying and couldn't be helped. It's not even clear if the guy could still feel anything or wasn't already braindead (considering he got shot in the head). The right thing to do would be to put a bullet in his head, but that would have gotten the soldiers imprisoned for war crime.

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