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Shane is incredibly disrespectful


...mostly of actors. He thinks out of work actors shouldn't have moral values that come between them and his script. Everybody, he says, should be grateful for the opportunity to work on his film.

He's really quite the entitled twit with no class or taste.

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I said in another thread that his attitude might make more sense in Hollywood where you've got a lot more people who are professional actors and who are trying to make a living by stringing together a lot of third and fourth rate jobs like this. But as the talent scout and the producer mention in the episode, most of the people they're talking to for these roles aren't professional actors. They've got "real" jobs which they make money at and do this as a side thing because they enjoy it. That gives them the luxury of turning down scripts they don't like and makes some of them concerned about the gross out comedy in Shane's film.

Unless Alpert's covered in bacon grease, I don't think Hugo can track anything.

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His attitude wouldn't work in Hollywood either. A director has to respect his actors. Of course we're only seeing the parts Stars wants us to see and he was having a bad day then, so he might not be as disrespectful as he's portrayed.

Plus let's not forget how the actors treated HIM, dropping out at almost the last minute.

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www.notwithoutreason.com my film

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Oh yeah I spoke to him on Reddit last might and apparently that day he had the rant was the 4th week of Casting and they were still seeing people who were totally inappropriate for the parts.Ive done casting on student films before and actors dropping out is one of the worst things,I once had an actor drop out last minute because the script had drugs in it despite the fact that this was the main part of the plot the only way he could of missed that was if he hadn't actually bothered to read the script properly .

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Now imagine what that's like with hundreds of thousands of dollars relying on the film. Films are stressful.

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www.notwithoutreason.com my film

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His attitude makes more sense for a youtube star. The attitude he has can only be used by people that have established themselves, he can't be that prideful when he is at best a youtube star thats never directed a feature length film. No way would any serious actor be his teen remake of Superbad. Hard to believe Chris Moore even gave him a chance.

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He also said that casting is 90% of a movie and they will come up with ideas to make his job easier. which means he wants people to improvise and make his stuff better, cause he is lazy.

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A lot of truly great filmmakers have said that casting is at least half the movie.

one I remember saying that was John Huston, who won a damn Oscar and directed what is considered to be the greatest film noir of all time.

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www.notwithoutreason.com my film

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'at least half' and 90 percent aren't the same

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Some would say 100%

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www.notwithoutreason.com my film

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To be fair to him, I feel like he himself feels so grateful to have the chance to work on a feature,that it annoys him that others don't feel this way plus he's used to the whole Hollywood scene.

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Exactly. He's so wrapped up in himself, he can't imagine that others may not be.

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LOL. So true, Nomad. He thinks his "vision" is the greatest thing since sliced bread and can't figure out why no one else agrees.

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Yes, his "vision" is, let's make a movie where people eat poop and vomit. Yeah! Real funny! Real creative!

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"My pre-teen fans will love it!"

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Exactly. His level of selfish immaturity and narrow mindedness is extraordinary, even in the world of self-promoting youtubers. He was criticizing Zachary Quinto for not supplying him with suitable actors ffs. The excoriating review of his "film" that came out in the LA Times says it all really (that review states among other things that the feces-eating homeless black man is "jaw-dropping" -- NOT in any positive way). Why Starz ever chose Shane for this disaster is bewildering really, unless they just wanted to tank it all in spectacular fashion (Anna's film is not receiving good reviews either -- she just seems to be very bland as opposed to Shane's obnoxious immaturity). He casts HIMSELF as the "prom king," lashes out at Zachary Quinto, Pittsburgh, everyone else for failing him, and acts astonished at the idea that the actors auditioning for his film actually support themselves and their families with full-time jobs outside of bit parts in independent films. Yeah. Charming.

"When it's not built around mean-spirited, revolting jokes about anybody who isn't Dawson's color, attractiveness level, size and gender — the genitalia-exposing, feces-eating homeless black man is simply jaw-dropping — it's a dreary, all-screaming pity party about thoroughly unappealing individuals." (LA Times review)

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Steven Spielberg age 24 = Night Gallery with Joan Crawford
Shane Dawson age 26 = youtube video star for 15 year old girls (I shudder for the youth of today) and a sh!t-eating, projectile vomiting indie movie where he has to play a drag role because he couldn't find an actress in Pittsburgh that wanted to be associated with it. "Well, you have to understand Shane, many of these people have actual jobs. One woman won't even see you because she's afraid she won't get her tenure as a professor'. "Then why are they fvcking sending me professors?" Talk about watching a train-wreck in action.

I would be the last demographic that would ever pay for a ticket to see anything he acted in or directed. I won't even go to youtube to see his videos for free. He's like the Justin Bieber of film. While I am enjoying "The Chair" and really like the idea of it, I can't believe this person was chosen to make a movie. He should be on his knees kissing the feet of Chris Moore and others who hired him and gave him money for his feature length youtube video. One day he will realize that he squandered a gift he was given. I could not believe how unprofessional he was as to walk out of a meeting when every second of him is 'needed'.

Somehow I don't think we will be seeing a "Saving Private Ryan" or "E.T" from him in the future.

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the justin bieber of film haha

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Fifteen year olds? You are being very generous. When I dared to look at his youtube garbage (a recent creation was about consuming "period blood" as a funny -- hah hah....right) his audience was decidedly in the 8-12 "tween" range, with a large number of ten and eleven year olds posting how they LUUUV Shane SO MUCH (I figured out that it is the same group that inexplicably like Bieber. Very, very young and very, very immature).

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8-12 "tween" range, with a large number of ten and eleven year olds posting how they LUUUV Shane SO MUCH
OMG, then it's even worse than I thought. Truly the end of civilization as we know it.

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Even though I agree with the sentiments that he’s a talentless twit, I can give him a pass on the comment about the actors. I’ve read many stories about how there is never a shortage of hungry actors in LA and NY willing to do anything to pad out their resumes, even if it involves acting in web episodes for free. I also wouldn’t have known that Pittsburg was different until watching the show.

He also said that casting is 90% of a movie and they will come up with ideas to make his job easier. which means he wants people to improvise and make his stuff better, cause he is lazy.
This is a belief shared by most directors. The actor who gets cast is expected to take ownership of their characters, which often means having the creative freedom to: figure out the character’s motivations, conceive of a personal backstory if one isn’t already written, and refuse any line-reading notes from the director.

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Regardless of whether his anger over seeing "non-professional" actors was justified, he still handled that situation like an ungrateful, spoiled, diva brat just walking out of the office that is filled with people working hard to help make his piece of sh*t "vision" (literally) a reality. Honestly I feel the most sorry for Dan Schoffer having to have his name attached to something so horrid for the rest of eternity, especially when his script was taken away and rewritten. If I were him I would've wanted full writing credit to go to Dawson or taken a pseudonym credit. Talk about a skid mark on your resume.

I started out liking Anna but that began to fade more and more with each episode. She has this New York indie scene elitist hipster vibe that just irritates me. But that said, I find her much more tolerable than The Diva.

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I feel the most sorry for Dan Schoffer having to have his name attached to something so horrid for the rest of eternity


His original script is no prize winner either.

Joseph Chastainme
www.notwithoutreason.com my film

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Oh yeah? Is there somewhere it can be seen online?

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http://gointothestory.blcklst.com/?s=dan+schoffer

Joseph Chastainme
www.notwithoutreason.com my film

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Interesting. I read a good chunk of it. It's not anything special but doesn't seem nearly as bad as the film Shane ended up making. On the show I couldn't believe Schoffer was complaining about Anna's film and not about Shane's. Blew my mind.

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My jaw dropped when he said that!

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On the show I couldn't believe Schoffer was complaining about Anna's film and not about Shane's. Blew my mind.


It's all about drinking the Kool Aid. The same can be said for the producer who put his buns against the glass. Both he and Schoffer were active contributors to Shane's film. Therefore they will be inclined to support it REGARDLESS.

Anna involved only her closest circle, therefore she missed out on a lot of that "by default" support she could have gotten. The same thing with the sex scene - the exec producers wouldn't have cared so much if she hadn't banned them from the set. When you tell them they can't see something they're going to damn well make sure that that they can.

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I don't want to seem like an apologist for Shane, because I can assure you, that I am not one of his channel's subscribers. In the spirit of full disclosure, he has made me laugh a time or two on "YouTubers React" but mainly because I enjoy his jibes, in small doses only, and purely for comedic effect. I say all this, just so you don't think I am one of the people who might defend someone's mistakes simply because I like a thing they do.(I think I just summarized the main idea almost every marriage runs off of.)

I can see why people are being put into these positions where they start turning into the worst people ever. First, if you watch the way the bureaucracy of movie making happens around these directors, they are rarely told "no" by anyone, yet the producers and money men come in with sometimes outlandish stipulations that are only detrimental to something that is at its heart, a creative process. Which the director doesn't get to say "No!" to. So if you over inflate someone's ego and then smash it with a hammer. Emotions are bound to fly out.

For example, there was the main, heavier set guy, who is always wearing hoodies with the name of the school location on it, who got this whole thing together. I think that he had some important role in Good Will Hunting. (The director maybe? It's like 1:30 ((I rounded that time up by a few minutes, when I originally typed it, and it is now 3:00 in the morning. Why do I have to keep proofreading and adding to this post, that maybe six people will read if I'm lucky, and out of those it will just receive one reply. It will be that obligatory person that ignores everything I say, that then just attacks me for the one ambiguous sentence that could be taken out of context to sound offensive.(((Don't you just love nested parenthesis?))) in the morning and I can't remember his name or involvement with that flick and am too tired to look for it).

Anyways, he was wanting to sit in on auditions with the lady director, who wasn't really excited about that. If you can put yourself in the shoes of the actors. Who are trying to be loose and creative, who now not only have to worry about important people for the film (the one they're auditioning for) that MUST see them, important people from other films they probably know, respect, and are intimidated by, the money men, (Who I don't think have any reason to sit in on casting decisions. Watch tapes after the fact, if you want to make sure the director hired a bankable face and talent. Just don't force your way into the audition room, if you are not a creative staff member.

Financing a film definitely earns you some privileges, I get that, but if you trust the director enough to give them the film's reins, then step back and let them steer. If not, tell them at the beginning what your money gets you, as far as creative decisions and input goes, or maybe add a creative person to the project's staff that you do trust. Someone to handle your money as well as the director. Making it so that the best film gets made, for the lowest amount possible.

In a perfect world, it should be someone that can understand the director's desires and vision for the film. Yet also can help mitigate budgetary concerns by offering solutions and workarounds when, and only when, it is completely necessary! Without sacrificing the integrity of the film to do so. Like if the director is insistent on an actor who is semi-well known, which means he is prohibitively expensive but the director keeps saying things like, "OH MY GOD THEY ARE JUST SOOO PERFECT FOR THE ROLE! I MEAN HE IS THE GUY! IT'S LIKE HE WAS LIVING IN MY HEAD AND THEN JUST WALKED INTO THE AUDITION FROM MY BRAIN!"

Someone that can say, "Sure, that's fine. We'll get him. It may mean we have to cut out every location in the film and he'll have to play every role, but you can do just that if you're deadset on it." Though, going with a named actor may bring in more money in ticket sales, so this money man liaison can explain to the appropriate person which one of them should buckle.
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then you add the camera (Which is a huge deal for an audition by itself. Sure, most directors will have a camera for themselves in an audition, but not one that is designed for a mass audience, one that you can imagine as millions of eyes staring back at you. Which will cause more problems than anything else, as you want to feel like you're free to fail. That if something doesn't work, you can just hold up a finger and say, "Let me try that again." Laugh and smile and move on, so you can be less tense and focus more on being the someone else you think is right for the part. Acting auditions are like telling someone to stand in a single spot but don't stand too still, recite the Gettysburg Address in the way they think it should be spoken, touch their nose every 3 minutes on the dot, and be charming, be nice but not so much that you seem weak, be sexy but don't look like you're trying to be, be attractive but atainable, seem smart but not arrogantly so, be free with your actions but not careless, and keep eye contact an appropriate amount with the director or scene partner. Oh, and don't look at the camera, don't stop till I yell "Cut" don't expect to get the job but want it bad enough to give me a good preformance. Any questions? Okay, roll camera, aaaaand ACTION! If you can't understand why having about 4 extra layers of judgement added to that might be destructive, nothing I say will change your mind. So, you might stop reading now to save yourself the time.)


... I have a lot more to say but I am finishing this post here and will edit it tomorrow. I know this is incoherent ramblings and stops abruptly, but I put too much time into it, to not post it. Plus, I'm falling asleep at my keyboard, which might explain both the reason I started and its contents. Thanks for reading this far.

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Masticoret, I'm one of the 6 people that read your entire post. I'm also the one guy that will reply. Last but not least, I'm the obligatory person that is going to ignore everything and pick out one ambiguous sentence.

The man you are thinking about is Chris Moore. He's a producer for both films being created, as well as The Chair itself. He was also a producer for Project Greenlight, which is sort of like a spiritual predecessor to The Chair. He certainly didn't direct Good Will Hunting. He was a co-producer on that film. Good Will Hunting was directed by Gus Van Sant. I just didn't want Moore to get any credit for directing such a great film.

Anyway, I realize you were tired and everything, but it wouldn't have taken that much time to open up a new tab and type Chris Moore's name into IMDB.

Now that I've fulfilled my obligations as the obligatory IMDB poster, I will say that I appreciate your very well thought out post, despite the copious amounts of bold that is used. I will say that I'm not quite sure what your point is regarding Shane. Are you saying you don't think he's being treated fairly by the public or the producers?

I feel that the producers have certainly let Shane be Shane. They haven't interfered with him too much and they certainly haven't forced him to tone anything down. The beef people have with Shane is completely different.

I don't really care if Shane is disrespectful or crude, I just don't think he's very funny and I feel his film is going to be awful. However, I reserve definitive judgement until I actually see Not Cool

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He looks like such a brat to work with, especially when he couldn't take any constructive criticism from his producer.. I don't see why anyone would want to work with him in future projects.

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