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Pathetic; aimed for complete morons?


This is perhaps the most dumbed down documentary I have ever watched. The blurbs from the academics seem to be at a Grade 2 reading level and amount to little more than broad generalized statements about the wars. The history is completely wrong with Hitler shaving his mustache to fit a gas mask, Churchill being responsible for Gallipoli, etc. What a joke and disgrace to make some style over substance idiocy such as this. The uniforms and tanks are completely wrong: the WW1 tanks were a laugh especially. Hitler is training with a steel helmet, etc.

Who is the target audience for this? Completely braindead morons?

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I wouldn't be too hard on the series. I'm a U.S. History professor and wasn't expecting earth-shattering, in-depth analysis of the Wars from the miniseries. I am enjoying the re-enactments and the CGI.

The channel is designed to raise interest in history. (Sadly, it falls way short most of the time with just bad history and/or reality shows.) A show like this does a decent job. And while I have some problems with some smaller historical inaccuracies, the rest of it is designed to have broad appeal to the average American (who unfortunately have a 2nd grade level understanding of a lot of historical topics.)

In terms of this being dumbed-down, I find it to be on par with most of the history channels documentaries of the past decade. They are entertaining and a good entry level, for the most part, for people. It's what happens when you cram almost 30 years of history into 6 hours (minus commercials.)

I only have major issues with the History Channel when they do revisionist history to promote an agenda. So far, that hasn't been an issue in "The World Wars". "America: The Story of Us" and "The Men Who Built America" suffered tremendously from revisionist history for agenda purposes.

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Can you elaborate on the "agenda?" I didn't get a sense of that from the previous miniseries. I'm curious to hear your take on it.

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If by "revisionist history" you mean the inclusion of nuances of gray to fill out the black-and-white comic book version of history we were taught in school, the new perspective brings a needed corrective.

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Well, to be fair? I'm ten minutes in, and I've already noticed a gross case of dramatic license.

Paraphrased, right at the very beginning, episode one:

"To view the history of both wars they need to be viewed as one event, going over 30 years, from 1914 to 1945." <--- This is very good, a fair point, we all know this, although the political intrigue in Europe certainly back dates decades: but from shot to shot? I agree, THEY were essentially ONE EVENT.

Then, inexplicably, damn near laughable?

"To understand the event, we must go back to the very beginning....Vienna, where Adolph Hitler is studying art, etc, blah, blah, blah....."

???????????

Adolph Hitler had no more an impact on the beginning of the thing than I did.

Sadly, I'm not being facetious or exaggerating.

So, I'm glad I checked here first. I will continue, but I get this is "Dramatic Version Of The Wars, 101", not 'new and exciting insight.

I am curious to hear Powells military opinions on other Generals, etc.

We'll see. If this doesn't keep my interest, I'll save myself some time and drop out.

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And while I have some problems with some smaller historical inaccuracies, the rest of it is designed to have broad appeal to the average American (who unfortunately have a 2nd grade level understanding of a lot of historical topics.)
This is a chicken or egg thing. Would Americans have a poor understanding of history anyway and the history channel is forced to dumb itself down to appeal to them, or is the reason that Americans have a poor understanding of history because the history channel has dumbed itself down? Personally I say it's the latter. Americans wouldn't be so ignorant of history if there was more of an effort to educate them on it. The history channel is ostensibly (and I really stress that word) devoted to educating people about history, so if Americans are historically illiterate, the history channel deserves some of the blame. Maybe a bit more programming about history (with a bit more concern for accuracy, substance and objectivity) and a bit less reality tv and alien bullsh!t would help remedy the problem, at least to some extent. Unfortunately, they don't give a damn about that; what they really care about is making money, which is why they feel the need to dumb themselves down to maximize ratings by broadening their appeal to people who simply aren't interested in being educated and informed.

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This is a chicken or egg thing. Would Americans have a poor understanding of history anyway and the history channel is forced to dumb itself down to appeal to them, or is the reason that Americans have a poor understanding of history because the history channel has dumbed itself down? Personally I say it's the latter. Americans wouldn't be so ignorant of history if there was more of an effort to educate them on it. The history channel is ostensibly (and I really stress that word) devoted to educating people about history, so if Americans are historically illiterate, the history channel deserves some of the blame. Maybe a bit more programming about history (with a bit more concern for accuracy, substance and objectivity) and a bit less reality tv and alien bullsh!t would help remedy the problem, at least to some extent. Unfortunately, they don't give a damn about that; what they really care about is making money, which is why they feel the need to dumb themselves down to maximize ratings by broadening their appeal to people who simply aren't interested in being educated and informed.


I totally understand your point. But the History Channel is still a business, and like other channels and even the movie companies, they go for mindless stuff over substance way too often.

I don't have a major issue with shows like this because they try to "interest" the masses in a topic. Hopefully it will whet their appetite enough to do research on their own for more depth. I look at a show like this as a very BASIC introductory class on the topic. There is no excuse for the editing or factual mistakes. Some of the mistakes are errors of omission in an attempt to cover a lot of history in a short time. Some of unforgiveable.

I remember when the History Channel first came on the air in 1994. It was brutal because they had little programming. What they would show were old documentaries, some of which were used in high school. And everything was WWII. We used to joke that the biggest star on the History Channel was Adolf Hitler. We even called it the Hitler Channel. Those documentaries that so many viewers slept thru in high school weren't appealing to them now as adults. By around 2000, the History Channel started hitting their stride with some good, basic level, introductory history. And as CGI has improved, so has the visuals on their shows. But they still are basic level for educated people, but interesting and compelling for the masses.

Where I can't stand the History Channel is Ax Men, Ice Road Truckers, Ancient Aliens, Nostradamus, and other non-stop stuff like that. That isn't history. That is crap! History Channel also has the problem of overkill. Shows like "Pawn Stars", "American Restoration", "American Pickers" and "Counting Cars" were good, once a week shows when they first started. They peaked people's interest in history of objects and so on. They were enjoyable early on. Unfortunately, instead of these becoming additional programming, its become the central programming. Also, all these shows that had promise early on, saw more and more schtick added which detracts from any quality. How many times can we watch Chum-lee do his stupid schtick?

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But when THE HISTORY CHANNEL was called THE HITLER CHANNEL, they were airing the type of programming that people who tune to a channel called THE HISTORY CHANNEL expect to see... now they are a disgrace to the word "History".

Remember when THC started out... not all Cable providers carried it, and we had to call our provider and say, "I want my HISTORY CHANNEL !" ? I think we should revive that slogan....

"History made-up every day"



"My new policy..you don't agree with what I say.. GFY and welcome to my Ignore List"

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I admit as a kid I watched the 'Hitler' channel and became a huge World War II buff, and still am to this day. The history channel sparked my interest and passion for World War II history (and history in general). It caused me to persue a degree in History (with my focus on Modern Europe), and although not working in a history related field I may one day decide to go back and go to grad school in the hopes of one day possibly being a history professor.

So although there are flaws in this show, and it is certainly the dumbed down version of events, I find this show very well done and refreshing. Afterall I have not watched that much of the history channel in many years ever since they became the "end of the world" channel, to "aliens and monster" channel, and then finally "sell out trash reality tv that has absolutely nothing to do with history" channel. I am glad they came out with a decent budgeted show that actually has something to do with history. Hopefully they keep this trend up! If this show sparks the interests of children and teens or even adults who otherwise no little about history, than this show is a great success.

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Sorry that this comment is late but I was just telling folks how awful this program was. I can't believe that a history professor isn't incensed by the obvious inaccuracies that fill up this turgid series. Some of the most blatant are: Patton winning the Italian campaign when he was relieved of command in Sicily, Hitler shooting himself at his desk (without Eva Braun), etc. (see my post on things I've "learned" from this series for more details). I can forgive some of the military hardware mistakes but blatant factual errors are anathema to me.

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Biggest problems I have seen thus far was a scene in Episode 1, where Patton stated he was a Lieutenant to BGen MacArthur in the trenches. However, it appeared Patton was wearing Lt. Col. rank on his uniform.

Also, MacArthur was shown wearing the 5-star General of the Armies rank when it covered his tenure as Chief of Staff of the Army under Roosevelt. He didn't have the 5-star rank until 1944.

It's a bit glaring yes, and I'm wondering how History Channel could of allowed a lapse like that happen.

However, the rest of the series has been good thus far. I can see what they are trying to do with this, which is to make all of this interesting to most who don't know the intricate details of how these men came to power.

Also....I could of sworn that the footage of German transport planes in Episode 2 were taken from the film "Valkyrie", but I could be wrong.

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Also, MacArthur was shown wearing the 5-star General of the Armies rank when it covered his tenure as Chief of Staff of the Army under Roosevelt. He didn't have the 5-star rank until 1944.


George Marshall was shown with it too at the wrong time. Nobody had five-star rank at that time because it wasn't INVENTED until 1944. That's basic.

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Yes, and thank you for watching, Arthur!

(that was too easy, sorry!)

"I. Drink. Your. Milkshake! [slurp!] I DRINK IT UP!" - Daniel Plainview - "There Will Be Blood"

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I can make room for the fact that it's a bit difficult to squeeze 31 years of history into 6 hours of film, including commercials. My criticism is that these total war programs always seem to focus more on the European theatre, whereas imo, the men in the Pacific had it far worse battling not just the Japanese, but the heat, lack of water, jungle, diseases, mosquitoes, snakes, etc.

I wish something could have been told about the sacrifices made back home like rationed gasoline, sugar, coffee, butter, no tires to be bought, to name a few. I'm not convinced today's generation would quietly go without, to supply the boys "over there."

Lastly, I could certainly have done without Rumsfeld and Cheney. How many deferments did he get? Five? They don't deserve to shine the shoes of the greatest generation survivors. Next showing, edit them out.

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The emphasis on Patton in the final episode - with zero mention of George Marshall or Dwight Eisenhower and making it seem as though Patton was Hitler's primary concern (yes, I'm aware of the dummy invasion scheme that Patton was a part of), among other things - was downright laughable. Also zero mention (that I saw) of Lend Lease, which was incredibly important.

I was ok with a lot of the dumbed down presentation that this gave, but the Patton part was over the top for me.

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This may as well have been Professor X (Roosevelt), Captain America (Patton), and Ironman (MacArthur) verses the Red Skull (Hitler), for the way it was presented.

Laughable.

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I completely agree! This junky thing was filmed like a superhero movie, with the same dark lighting, constantly moving camera, actors looking like they're preoccupied with their destiny, cornball music, etc. This series is so bad, it redefines the word. The "History Channel" has been total crap for years, and this seals it. Sadly, lots of uninformed folks will watch this, and take it as good history.

I laughed when they cut to one commercial, for a movie or video game or something with killer robots fighting Hitler and the Nazis. It is the usual CGI junky-looking thing, with non-stop action and CGI robots flying all over the place. It hit me that some folks watching the World Wars "documentary" might think that the killer robots were part of said "documentary," not a commercial. You really could see killer robots, Captain America, Ironman, Red Skull, etc. being inserted into this idiotic series, as you said. Come to think of it, the first "Captain America" movie was filmed in a style very much like this series was. It's probably a stretch to see the End of Civilization in every junky TV series, but if Civilization does crumble through ignorance and apathy, series like this crummy one no doubt played a role. Yecch!

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But wasn't that the intention of this miniseries to show the war through certain famous peoples perspective ie Hitler and Patton? You can hate on it all you want but the marketing and ads showed clips of hitler, patton, churchill and how they evolved through the wars. Yes it simplifies certain things if you know nothing about these wars but most people seem confused about the point of this.

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I am not even an hour into the first show, and this is really troubling. The casual historical errors are perhaps excusable for the sake of the story (a poison gas attack in October 1914 on the Western Front, long before Second Ypres or Churchill being relieved as First Lord of the Admiralty by a man in uniform (looked like an Army uniform at that) - think general firing the Secretary of Defense).

Where it gets bad is Lenin attacking the Winter Palace to overthrow the Tsar. Really? Kerensky and the Provisional Government written out of history. Next we have Lenin signng a decree immediately ending the war on the Eastern Front? What happened to Trotsky's "No War, No Peace"

The Russian Revolution is a significant geopolitical fact and a lot that happened flowed from that. They may not have had time to explain it, fine. However, that does not excuse actually putting up a story that anyone with a basis knowledge of 20th century European history knows is wrong, such as having Lenin overthrow the Tsar. I can't wait to see what happens next.

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I recall reading somewhere years ago thar Hitler trimmed his mustache to fit under a gas mask during WWI. Doesn't explain the other errors of course.

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