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This movie was pretty great *spoilers*


For those of you saying it sucked because it was "all over the place" and because you couldn't stand the girls, or whatever, you're completely not getting it. Even if you don't like how it was filmed you should at least appreciate the huge epic message this film is trying to get across. For those you saying it's pointless, you really truly scare me. Because you are a perfect example of the blind, insensitive, cruel, ignorant people in America going on social media and cyber bullying people or getting lost in a world that is not reality. If you don't see the message in this, and the pain people go through from the young ages of 12 and over, of anyone who is sucked into social media then you either don't use social media and have no idea whats going on there, or you dont care which then you are no better than the types of people this movie is showing.

First of all yes the girls were awful. They were brats, and mean and shallow and annoying. That is the point. You aren;t supposed to love them. But if you recall there is a scene where they all put down the phones and the social media game/app and play an honesty Game. Each girl had a story about something in their lives they are sad about.
Ava's parents ignore her.
Sofia's parents fight daily and have affairs, her mom is an alcoholic.
Francesca's mother didn't know her well enough to know she was a vegan. And yelled at her on the day she got her period. She shamed her for it saying she shouldnt eat so much chicken and thats why she got her period too early. But as she said shes vegan. So another neglectful absent parent who shamed her for getting her period which is completely natural, especially at the age of 12 which she already felt totally embarrassed about in the way it happened
Sam's mom didn't know how to deal with Sam's mental health, and instead of trying to understand she constantly critiqued her or put it under the rug and made Sam feel alone and misunderstood.
Georgie didn't tell her story in that scene but had in an earlier scene, saying she needed food to comfort her and could not stop. She had compulsive eating disorder, binge/purge disorder which is hell. And also got bullied by it by everyone.
Cat wasn't there but we knew that her mother died from pain meds, that her dad (who is a doctor) had given her) So her dad, who already seemed like an on edge TYPE A, insensitive man lived with the guilt of his wife overdosing, and his daughter losing her mother. Losing your mom at 12 is traumatizing, having a father who doesnt know how to make you feel better makes it worse, the way he was talking to her at the restaurant was far from supportive or compassionate, even though it was obvious he cared, just didnt know how to show it and he came off crazy because he himself needed serious therapy. Cat was mean and awful too, and also angry her friends weren't there for her when her mom died. They were too selfish and insensitive and wrapped up in their own fantasy lives to care enough.

The meanest bully (and killer) Cat by far had the toughest life. Sam, the most sensitive one had the more caring parent out of all of them. Ava and Georgie and Francesca all laughed along and did their fair share of bullying. Even Sam laughed. They all were kids wanting to fit in and needed their fix of projecting. But Cats went farther than that. She needed therapy, and meds. Sofia's bullying was mean and cold, her story I think being the second worst. But there is obviously reason to not only being completely shocked and angry at their behavior but also feel sympathy for how children these days are treated by their own parents not just other kids with their own problems.

This scene is trying to show that all bullies USUALLY not always but usually are bulles because they are in a lot of pain. They project their own pain and insecurities from their own lives on to other people, and they are still human going through a lot of pain. Not to mention being 12 is a really difficult age.

They all were mean and awful to each other as if it were a natural thing and the way they talked to one another on a daily basis. That in itself may not be realistic, but what the director was showing was how people talk to each other online, through a screen where they feel almighty and powerful and rather showed how it would look actually saying it to someone's face. Its ugly and horrible and annoying and every bad word you can think of. And some kids actually do treat one another like that in person. Not just online.


The entire time the girls were posting pics and videos to a made up social app (for the movie) where when you post things, you don't only get "likes" you also get "points" and go to different "levels" like a video game. Their entire world was about uploading to this app/game and their world was virtually a game, not real life. A metaphor /example to Instagram, twitter, snapchat, facebook, etc etc etc. And all the horrible mean things that are said on these social media outlets. I dont know if you use social media----but if you do, Im sure youve come across the cruel things people say all over the place. Even on IMDB people get into awful fights and say awful things tot one another. I have been bullied on this site just for having my own opinion of a film.

Cyber bullying is a very real thing. It's out of control. And causing many people to commit suicide or kill others. If you dont believe me surf Instagram for awhile. Or read articles about it.

The movie was meant to be chaotic and messy and ridiculous because it was a huge metaphor of how our effing country revolves around the circus that is social media and how it makes people act. This movie's weirdness isn't any more weird than an episode of Keeping up with Kardashians, or tons of reality tv and the crap people post online, everywhere, all the time.

And it starts from a young age of kids having smart phones all the way to PARENTS going on instagram and saying cruel things. I have been insulted on instagram by a mother. Yes. Someone who on her bio said she "loves her family and loves god" yet she called me an ugly anorexic freak who doesnt look good. Yup. Great example of a parent, huh?


So if you don't get any of this, I feel sorry for you. Because you dont even see this movie is mocking/embellishing but also SHOWING IN TRUE FORM how out of control social media, bullying and image has gotten in our society.

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especially at the age of 12 which she already felt totally embarrassed about in the way it happened
Which was so weird because 12 is actually a normal age to get it. I was one of the only ones out of my friends and family who did not get it at that age or [gasp] younger. It's not like she was 10.

I kind of hated how they all had awful back stories to excuse their bullying behavior. I know plenty of bullies who had nice lives. Especially the rich bullies who simply bullied because they were better than everyone else. Or the popular beautiful cheerleader girls. Everyone has a story and it's usually the victim of bullies who has the most tragic background. Whether it be a disability or verbal/physical abuse at home or that they are just not as pretty or rich as everyone else.

Sometimes in real life it is the bully who suffers at home but it is not necessarily the norm.

I agree with the rest of your post.



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Oh no I completely agree and should have added, I mean I think I said not all but most, but yes not all bullies have a sad llife of their own and reasons. There are definitely people who for whatever reason are mean just for the sole purpose of being mean. I still think it somehow makes them feel better about themselves, and they suck blood like vampires to feel stronger---and if you need to do that there has to be a weakness. But yes, there ARE for sure, people who bully who have fantastic lives, no real problems, and maybe just bully because they can, they find it funny and are insensitive and were raised or grew up in a way where they didnt learn sensitivity. And only learned what its like to feel better looking, more powerful etc.

And yeah 12 is totally the normal age to get ur PD. lol. 9 is young. 10 is kinda young. 11/12 very normal. Actually 13 can be considered late.

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I agree. Lucky me that I have no interest in social media. I don't have Twitter, Facebook, etc. I don't think children need cell phones. Every previous generation survived without instant contact with others. I like being alone, that is where I am different and feel sorry that kids care that much about what others say about them. Turn it off! Just TURN IT OFF!!!

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LOL right?? Its very addicting and as much as I hate it, I am on facebook all the time. I wish everyone would just turn it off. Because if everyone did, thee would be no piint to be on it, as its all about self promotion and communication online and then we could all be free and in the world together again!!! But I dont see that happening unfortunately :(

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"...what the director was showing was how people talk to each other online, through a screen where they feel almighty and powerful and rather showed how it would look actually saying it to someone's face.


That's an interesting point. I found myself watching this, wondering how can these girls possibly be friends when they treat each other like this...your point makes me wonder if the blending between reality and online fantasy life results in people speaking to each other so horribly in person, because they already do it online without repercussion?

And in the film they can do it in person without repercussion (mostly anyway) because it's hard to defend yourself when you're one 12-year-old girl being singled out from among a half-dozen, all of whom are laughing at you...ugh, it's horrible



"...if only you could see what I've seen with your eyes!" Roy Batty

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Yeah exactly--- see I am not honestly sure if kids now DO actually speak in person to their friends or people they dont like the way bullies do online because that screen between them makes them feel invisible/invincible. But that is a good point as well--- perhaps (maybe in movies its embellished to a certain degree) but because of how "normal" and frequent it is online, and how effortlessly cruel it may be easily translating into real life unfortunately. I am sure it's happened but to what degree, who knows? Maybe I should make a documentary about that. See how bad its really gotten IN PERSON not just online, and see the effects of it *because* of online bullying. Would be interesting to see.

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Yeah, it would be interesting to see if and how real-life relationship management is affected or molded by methods used when online. I had seen studies showing that prevalence of pedophilia has increased, strictly because of online availability of materials...could prevalence of general *beep* be on the rise for the same reason?


"...if only you could see what I've seen with your eyes!" Roy Batty

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Yeah. They do. Maybe some don't, but the language has changed drastically from when I was a kid. Girls in particular call each other--well, none of the words are going to come through, but basically pick any word that is specific to women and they call each this sort of thing all the time.

It's very ugly behavior. We didn't do it when I was a kid, so I have to assume that GIFT is to blame.

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Yes, I think it is definitely crazy how much worse bullying has gotten and seems to get every single generation, right? I mean it's always been there, and it's different in where you grow up. I am 28. So, my generation of course had it's bullying. I was definitely bullied in Elementary school/middle school. It stopped in High School. But I will say it was never as extreme as it is now. I will never say bullying is ok but I can say it was more..."tame" ? I don't think I would have survived how it is now. Or maybe I would have, it's almost expected now so kids these days are growing thick skin without even realizing I bet.

I asked my mom, who is 61 how bullying was for her. She grew up in South Africa. In a richer part of the city. And she said girls definitely teased her. But again it was even tamer than what I went through. I remember AOL was JUST starting when I turned around 10 years old. And I had only one instance I think of some really mean online bullying. That was the beginning I guess lol. One instance anyway. It was awful. My parents printed it all out and brought it to the principle. It hurt, badly. And it was words on a screen. But seeing the girls the next day, it was really, really hard.

But I do watch movies these days and think "Man was I lucky. Kids did not bully like THIS. Not this hard. Not so frequently. Kind of unrealistic." But unfortunately its not unrealistic, and it has gotten that bad. Its embellished I think sometimes for movies, but definitely all too real.

I think thats awesome it didnt exist for you, and that you still speak with your school friends and married a HS sweetheart. In a perfect world thats how it should be I think. But, reality is reality. Sort of. (ha..see what I did there) And see thats where facebook can be good. You keep in touch with people you have good relationships with. I have FB and I like it. I dont get bullied on it so much as have some debates with people about politics or something but I did have to get rid of instagram. Its a circus show on there. Really bad stuff all around.

And you're right--- it revolves mostly around parenting. Its very very disconcerting to see that parents allow their children to act this way. And there is never enough punishment these days.





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The movie was pretty intense. I didn't mind the nonviolent first half because it felt like the movie had time to breathe and have character development.

As a guy I can say I was bullied verbally. I was pretty quiet and didn't fit in so I was an easy target. I thank my lucky stars cyberbullying etc. had not even started when I was in School. (Class of 2003) I look at some stories and videos and get pretty creeped out. It seems people are getting crazier and crazier.

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Boys are much easier on each other than girls. They resolve conflict in a very different manner. For the most part, they'll talk directly to each other, at least.

I'm not saying they're perfect, mind you, but having been bullied by both as a kid, I'd take the boys over the girls any day. Guys tend to lose interest. Girls do not. They will continue for years, if they decide you're very low on the social status pole.

Girls start whisper campaigns and smear each other in a way that's almost grotesque to watch. Increasingly, they are beginning to use physical violence on one another as well. Sick and frightening.

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I think judging by post, many people just didn't get it. I totally got it and thought it brilliant!
Yes, they should try again and look from another angle.

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I think most people who didn't like the movie honestly did not get it. I am not 12 but I understood what the film was, in a way, parodying. Yet so spot on in it's parody it was true to life in many instances.

The serial killer\spree killer aspect was the fantasy. The rest was how a lot of kids are.

Hutton's freak out scene with the girls when he said "The only way to get through to you... is to scare the hell out of you" is pretty accurate. 12 years olds know adults can't do much to them but they are bigger, stronger, and if crazy enough, will kill them.

The hate on this board for this movie is annoying.

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The hate on this board for this movie is annoying.


Agreed.

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