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Natasha's Display of Loyalty to Steve was Wonderful

posted 8 years ago by storychic
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In Civil War, the woman was pro-registration and she let Steve and Bucky go even though they weren't on the same side and she knew would get in trouble for letting them go. She made a choice between her head and her heart and it didn't come of as strange or out of character. If she truly cares about someone, damn the political agendas of the government. She will still find a way to keep them safe, even if it means putting herself on the line. Letting Steve go was an example of Natasha staying true to her word, which is parallel to when she asked Steve in TWS if he would trust her to save him, and she did. That conversation came full circle in Civil War and shows us just how much Natasha cares for Steve. This is a strong friendship they share and a beautiful example of true loyalty. For a spy who's used to only looking out for herself and keeping her cards close to her chest, this was a unique and special moment of character building for her. Even Steve was surprised that she let him go. I love her words to T'Challa. "I said I'd help you find them. I didn't say I'd help you catch them."
I also loved the fact that the first time we see her hug someone or show them true affection - no, that half-arsed, badly written fever dream, Brutasha, that Whedon threw at us in AoU does not count - she hugs Steve. When she said, "I didn't want you to be alone," it stabbed me in the heart. Even though she knew they would be on opposite sides, she wouldn't let their differing viewpoints stop her from comforting him. That was such a powerful moment for them, and it's one of the reasons I like the two of them together. Their relationship has grown so much stronger after TWS, and it's my top favourite out of all the MCU relationships, period. Simply beautiful!

[–] WeirdRaptor 8 years ago

It also shows that she wasn't lying to Loki when she basically said she cares more about what few people there are in her life than she does about any regime.

"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to you." -Gandalf

[–] Macamba 8 years ago

I thought it was pretty clunky given that she was the one who lead her side there.

[–] tbwhitefang 8 years ago

Truth.

Also if anyone in the group could get away with putting on a French accent and announcing 'I Never Really Was On Your Side', it would be her.

Widow used to hold the all-time record for double-crosses in the comics.

[–] storychic 8 years ago

I definitely believe that. I didn't think of her decision to let Steve and Bucky go as a double cross, though. Sure, Ross and Tony would obviously classify it as such, but it didn't give me that kind of feel. She was following her heart and her convictions. If anything, I find that a very admirable quality. Even when Tony tried to gripe about it being "hard for you to drop the whole double agent thing," she stood her ground and basically told him that he needed to get his ego in check, pull his head out of his arse, and realize the way they'd gone about the whole thing was wrong. I was glad someone told him off.

[–] Hassan_Scarborough 8 years ago

Also remember she agreed with the Accords because they needed the public to see that they have oversight but really she figured it would be a way they could all stay together.

Just very touching. The moment for me was the funeral. I figured Natasha would turn on Tony but I never thought I'd see her hug anyone.

It's also very fitting since Evans is actually good friends with Scarlett in real life.

[–] silversurfer19507 8 years ago

The fellow Avengers that she was closest to are Cap and Hawkeye, and they were on the other side.

[–] politicidal 8 years ago

That phone conversation might as well gone like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQJxEOxn35g

What's missing in movies is same as in society: a good sense of work ethic and living up to ideals.

[–] Defangthesnake 8 years ago

Props for loyalty yes, but no props for ungratefulness. I understand why she betrayed T'Challa but it was still kind of cold hearted. He saved her life when Bucky almost choked her to death. After she let them go she kind of sounded smug, and uppity telling him what she agreed to. Dude just watched his Dad die in his hands. Just like Tony watching his parents being murdered. Actually T'Challa saved her twice by him alerting everyone to take cover before the bomb exploded at the UN.

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[–] storychic 8 years ago

Ungratefulness? Betrayal? Yeah, right. She stayed true to her code, which is a very Natasha thing to do. She was not betraying the team or her stand on the Accords. She was the line in the sand, the one person who successfully remained neutral throughout the whole film. That is a very hard thing to do. As for the ungratefulness part, nope, not true at all. There was no sign that she sounding ungrateful to T'Challa. She was very respectful towards him after the bombing, speaking to him very politely and after she let Steve and Bucky go, she did not sound smug, only matter of fact. I think you're interpreting her inflections the wrong way.

[–] t-l-brennan 8 years ago

I think you're interpreting her inflections the wrong way.

By starting a sentence with the words "I think" you are stating an opinion. Your argument that her betrayal was justified because it was in character is spurious. That is like saying it is okay to cheat, because the person is an untrustworthy "player".

[–] storychic 8 years ago

Whatever, man. It wasn't a betrayal. Her being in character has only a little to do with it. If anything, Natasha stayed true to her heart and let her head take a backseat for once. That wouldn't have happened if this were Iron Man 2 Natasha or even Avengers Natasha. This was a great growth moment for her, regardless of what anyone says. Even the directors don't refer to her choice in letting Steve and Bucky go as a betrayal and they have acknowledged the scene as being powerful for her character. If you agree with me, fine. If you don't, whoop-dee-doo. Natasha was amazing in this film and I cheered her on every step of the way. Peace out.

[–] storychic 8 years ago

OMG.
😂😂😂

[–] politicidal 8 years ago

It's true. The chemistry between them is *beep* dynamite!

What's missing in movies is same as in society: a good sense of work ethic and living up to ideals.

[–] storychic 8 years ago

Oh, yeah! Putting Steve with Sharon is so uninteresting and bland. They would the most vanilla romance in the MCU, bar none, but Steve and Nat would have a vibrant one, full of sexual tension, adorableness and humor. They should be together! He really should have kissed her instead. Hell, even Chris himself likes the idea of Steve and Nat as a couple. Marvel needs to get with the freaking program already. I mean, they were canon in a different universe in the comics. They got married and named their son James, after Bucky. How freaking awesome is that?! (If you haven't already guessed it, yes, I'm a die-hard Romanogers fangirl! :3)

[–] Defangthesnake 8 years ago

Did you miss the part where I said she gets props for being loyal, because she saw the bigger picture.

[–] storychic 8 years ago

No, I didn't miss that part, but you didn't mention anything about her seeing the bigger picture. You were talking more about her ungratefulness.

[–] Defangthesnake 8 years ago

The bigger picture is why she betrayed T'Challa. I mentioned that. Also He was fighting along side her during a battle. That doesn't make them friends but it does make them allies. Regardless if she had just stepped aside and let them go, or do what she did by actively stopping him from catching them it's still betrayal. And I'll say again I understood why she did it and give her props for it. Not just because it was loyal but her not worrying bout the consequences she has to face for her actions. But still the fact that Bucky was chocking the *beep* out her until T'challa stopped him is downplayed. Even Sharon mentioned to Steve about Bucky trying to kill her and he apologized for it.

[–] storychic 8 years ago

Okay. Not every character is going to apologise or thank another character for their actions. Same thing happens in real life. I don't see that as downplayed. If they did that every time they were in danger, they'd never get any work done. Anyway, you didn't see them all saying thank you when they were all fighting in the Avengers films. It did happen a couple of times, but not a lot. There would be no point, really.

[–] Defangthesnake 8 years ago

Lol. I'm nitpicking, it was an awesome movie. As far as real life goes I don't take peoples generosity or kindness for granted. Especially since I've unfortunately seen first hand some of the most vile and evil things some people do to others. The gratitude I get from people when I've helped them out is not something take for granted either.

[–] storychic 8 years ago

Ahh, okay. I understand where you're coming from.

[–] ba_bam_bam 8 years ago

it's my top favourite out of all the MCU relationships, period. Simply beautiful!

Very true and why I'm glad they kept romance out of it. It's a brother sister and pure respect thing. So wonderfully written by multiple people. Even Age of Ultron handled it perfectly.

[–] storychic 8 years ago

I actually see sparks between them as well as potential for them to be more than just friends, but everyone sees their relationship differently! ☺️

[–] liza-53206 8 years ago

Natasha knew, that Panther wanted to kill Bucky, KILL, not just catch, but still SHE was the one who asked him to come with them to the airport. And if it wasn't for Wanda, T'Challa would be successful and it would be too late for her after that to make any amends by letting Cap go. Did Natasha actually think that it would be better for Steve to lose Bucky along with Peggy?
I liked her in the movie, but this is the one problem I have with her after CW. She really didn't care about Bucky or his life at all, though she said to Steve, that she allegedly knows, how much Bucky means to him.

[–] storychic 8 years ago

Think about it. He would have shown up there anyway and the last thing they'd need to worry about is stopping him from killing Bucky when he wasn't with them and they only intended to take him in. But since he was there after Nat asked him to come, she would be able to keep an eye on him. Nat is a spy; she wasn't going to reveal what she planned to do until it was done. She already knew what she was going to do before everything happened at the airport, which makes sense regarding her character. I find that it was clever of her to ask him to show up, and besides Steve, she was the one character I was most proud of in it the movie.

[–] Defangthesnake 8 years ago

Good points made about the killing Bucky instead of catching Bucky. I know how both T"Challa and Tony feel. Vengeance can destroy you if you let it. It's an ongoing battle. It does make her character stand out more.

[–] liza-53206 8 years ago

He would have shown up there anyway

But still there was a small chance that he wouldn't or that they would have caught Cap's team BEFORE T'Challa shows up. Natasha needed to try to prevent him from following their team. Instead she just straight out asked him to join them herself.

But since he was there after Nat asked him to come, she would be able to keep an eye on him. Nat is a spy; she wasn't going to reveal what she planned to do until it was done.

That's not what was shown in the movie at all. What was actually shown is that Nat called BP to come with them and BP almost killed Bucky and only WANDA saved his life not Nat.

She already knew what she was going to do before everything happened at the airport, which makes sense regarding her character.

No she didn't. The movie makes it clear when she tries to persuade Cap to come with them. And only after Cap had explained that Zemo was the actual bad guy and needed to be stopped, ONLY THEN Nat began to question Tony's actions. She saw that Steve had a point and not gonna stop, so she hepled him. And even then she said: "I'm gonna regret this". That wasn't planned at all, she just found cool excuse for BP, that's all.

I find that it was clever of her to ask him to show up

Not very clever at all. Steve is supposed to be her friend, she says that she understands how much Bucky means to him and still she doesn't care about his life. Panther even said so himself: "I almost killed the wrong man". If Bucky got killed because she asked T'Challa to join them then what would Steve have said to her? I think that their friendship would be ruined after that forever.

Once again, overall I actually liked Nat in this movie much more than in the Avengers, so I understand your desire to find excuses for this wrongdoing of her, but there isn't any good one and I blame filmmakers for this one problem with her in CW.

[–] storychic 8 years ago

I'm not 'finding excuses for her'. I just don't see her in the same light as you do. I didn't have a problem with her in this film, my love for her character notwithstanding. Anyway, we can friendly agree to disagree because we obviously are on opposite ends of the spectrum.

[–] alan42286 8 years ago

shut up.. the movue was trrible because 2 losuy directors had no idea that making the last was a bad idea.. joe is an idiot for not returning to direct te final 2 movies.. wow.. what a camera quick fest.. nt sumthng anyine woould see.. so i fianlly got bred and watvhed winter soldier.. wow.. plp have no fng clue how badlyl that camera was in the mobie!! what a disespct to the fans and the movie by directing like a bunch of hyena kimche stale idiots.. no wondr first avengr worked because if u ahve a good camera and stoey ur filk works!!! stupid fans..

[–] storychic 8 years ago

Sorry, what's that? I can't sift through all of your stupidity and bad grammar to find anything worth absorbing. Try bothering people who actually aren't trying to have intelligent conversations. Bye now.