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I guess the writers didn't bother with historical research then...


Just awful...I mean....if you're going to write an historical based drama, based heavily on real people of the time, the least you do is research the fundamentals of those people and their stories.

There are so many huge mistakes/or deliberate false portrayals of real people and what they did during this time (and I mean, so big that they've used things as part of the plot even though they are literally and completely untrue...so much so that if the falsities were taken out, they wouldn't have a plot!) that it's nonsensical to anyone with at least basic knowledge about Charles II's reign.

Unless they think audiences are so stupid that they won't realise they've rewritten history and rewritten's real people's personalities and actions? That in itself is pretty insulting.

It's a shame...I had high hopes for this, and there's some good actors in it.

I just wished they'd used completely fictional characters and events in it rather than using real people and events but then completely ignore basic truth and fact to fit their story, it completely ruins it and makes it laughable......the story here hasn't been fitted to tell the story of the time, the writers clearly had a story in their head and have hacked up history and people to try and make it fit.

Just have the balls to write something completely fictional if you don't have the skill or want to do the research required for historical writing.

Blah. Disappointed.

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It might be acceptable if the story was any good, but to piss all over history in the name of story, only for the story to be the most generic form of bland crap imaginable......

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The issue is they are selling this as historically accurate, Channel 4 have even release "extras" which follow the making & research.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/new-worlds

The web site above will provide you with more info if you like.


I have nothing against embellishment or fantasy to spice up a boring story, so long as it's marketed as a fictional story otherwise it's just BS.

Plus the show was actually rather awful, aside from the acting which was mostly superb.

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Yeah ALL "writers" are ALL the same. They all do exactly the same thing. Therefore, we can just say "writers" when we are talking about writers for one particular show. Because we care so much about reflecting reality.

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If a programme states clearly it's based on the state of play in 1680, that's what I expect LOL If they wanted to run this story line, but all means, but they should have done it in a fictional setting, not off the back of 'history', which is just lazy.

And if they'd stuck to keeping it accurate, they would have just had a different story, not a boring one. Actually, they'd have had a far better one. It's one of the most eventful periods of history...what actually happened in the Stuart reign was far more entertaining as stories than many writers can come up with....and this proved it LOL Ironically, if they'd have stuck to accurate events/personalities in history, they'd have had a far more exciting and interesting plot.

Some examples of the historical mistakes/falsities (not wanting to be boring here! That's why I didn't list any, didn't want to get too nerdy LOL So won't go on too much and will keep the points brief)....

...Charles supposedly mercilessly hunting down people responsible for the death of his father decades after the event, when actually only a few of the regicides were executed and he very deliberately had the others sentences lessened to life imprisonment for the sake of keeping the peace, and either way, pretty much all apart from (I think) a couple were dealt with one way or another within a few years of him regaining the throne...

...this suggestion that he's fanatically persecuting Catholics when some believe he might actually have been a secret Catholic and he had Catholic family. (Yes, there were others at the time who were paranoid of Catholics though, but Charles' main worry was making sure the paranoia didn't split the kingdom again rather than picking a fight with them, afterall, he'd already lost a lot in civil war)....

...the mistreatment of Blood, when Charles actually met him and liked him so much for being daring that he pardoned him and gave him land....

...unfair treatment of people to get materials and money for London when London had been pretty much rebuilt almost a decade before this is set....

...A Roman Catholic husband being perfectly happy with his wife and children behaving in a way so at odds with the time it would have been seen as witchcraft by many back then....

...unless I've misunderstood, (which is very possible), they've got a Catholic household entertaining Monmouth as a future contender as heir to the throne, but Monmouth was Protestant and actually the protestants hope to put on the throne instead of James, the Catholic heir (who a Catholic household would have supported). This is pretty fundamental if your plot is heavily based on religion LOL

Sorry, I know that is a very simplified version of history and not the whole picture, but didn't want to go on too much! LOL

@cinesimonj sorry, just to be clear, when I say 'writers' plural, I don't mean writers as a whole, I specifically mean whoever wrote New Worlds, because I wasn't sure if there was more than one person responsible for drafting up the story outline and the script. Writers (plural as in all writers everywhere!) can make fantastic historical dramas. This just wasn't one of them.

*EDIT* @cinesimonj - I've edited the main thread name so it seems less negative to all writers...you're right, I chose my wording badly! Now edited to only be a slight against the writers of this and not all writers everywhere ;) Apologies to any writer who may have been offended....please don't write a horrible death scene about me..... ;)

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Totally agree with you!!

This is truly truly bad...!! I was really looking forward to it with such anticipation but so disappointed. Nothing at all like 'The Devil's Whore' which was actually rather good and references to it just p***ed me off!!

Can't watch ep2. The show is dead to me. Really surprised Channel 4 can get it so wrong. I had them up there with HBO on original programming but hey ho....


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are you deliberately being obtuse, or is this how you think one refutes arguments?

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@Reva_C, Spot on - this was absolutely dreadful. As you said, some of the acting was pretty decent, but everything else was truly awful. I watched it from start to finish though, just to see how hilariously bad the next scene was! Firmly in the "so bad it's good" category :-)

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You're right. It's a disappointing view of the grasp of history the country has and will have in the future. Trite, vacuous and a waste of production time.

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But isn't this the sequel to "The Devil's Whore" from 2008 (which was already highly fictionalized)?
If you've seen the Devil's Whore you already know that this isn't an accurate protrayal of historical events and people.
I don't know what everyone was expecting.
The series does have entertainemt value, but you can't look at it as a documentary. It's like reading a Philippa Gregory novel, I suppose.

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I haven't seen DW, but I suppose it would help if I did. I'm watching this series for Patrick Malahide, and he is always excellent so I'm not too fussed about historical accuracy.

Overall, it is entertaining, but the extended scene in the woods where Abe was lecturing Beth got on my nerves. Also, it needs a lot more Patrick Malahide

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Bella - i kind of agree with you. Ultimately any tv programme/film based on history will only show parts of what really happened and change some events for dramatic effect.

I liked the character of Beth; it'll be interesting to see how her character grows and develops.

i do love a good historical romance but the romance between Jamie Dormers character and Beth happened way too fast for me. Very mills and boons.

But i'll keep watching.


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UPDATE - Watched the last ep a few days ago. What a downer. I think the main problem with the show as that they tried to cram in so much in so few episodes. It could have done with at least two more episodes.

I never really got the sense of time; so one minute Beth is pregnant and the next she's given birth to her baby.

I wish the writers had, had enough time to explore Ned and hopes characters. I liked Hope, especially her fiestyness but we didn't get to see enough of her. She was a far more interesting character than Hope.

I also liked the old man and his granddaughter. Again we didn't get to see enough of her either.

Setting an historical show in two countries is complex enough. Four eps was too short. It made some of the editing look choppy as well. Everything was rushed as a result.

Shame really.

Still i enjoyed it.

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I'm afraid you are doing Philippa Gregory a disservice. I believe she has a doctorate in history, and her novels may fill in events with some imagination, the major story and characters are true to history. I know the history of this period a little, and I was confused because of the glaring inaccuracies. I couldn't figure out why Monmouth was at a home with an active priest's hole! Or why they unfairly maligned the "Merry Monarch." He was certainly no reverse Bloody Mary!

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Philippa has a degree in literature, though they deliberately frame her references to make it LOOK like a doctorate in history.

The major stories and characters in her books are NOT true to history; they are intensely fabricated, relying on the gossip of the period and making it true in order to be controversial (ie, the Woodville women were witches, Anne Boleyn committed incest, Elizabeth Tudor had an affair with Thomas Seymour, etc).

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With this show you can't think in historical accuracy. I've chosen to look at it as an attempt at portraying the religious persecution of the era,and a bit of romance for good measure. Though I must agree with you,that it's an annoying feature of recent historical tv-shows to utilize real people from history,and completely ignoring what really happened to them.

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