Non-stereotyping


In another thread is this remark: "lazy stereotyping (nasty officer, stern matron with a heart of gold, etc".

With more than a century of screen dramas, it must be pretty difficult to avoid stereotyping, whether of plot or character. And if a character is "different", people wail that (s)he's atypical - as with the Earl of Grantham in Downton Abbey, whom some see as unconvincingly benevolent for a peer of a century ago.

So: what sort of non-stereotypical characters should there be in TCF?

(And if they were there, would the series be convincing?)

BTW, the series is the subject of extreme criticism (derision,almost)from the often-pedantic members of the Great War Forum - and I'm one of them: nurses' wrong-colour capes, VADs travelling in civilian clothes, sloppy saluting, no cap badges, pristine vehicles, soldiers marching back to the Front with no packs and rifles

Actually, I quite liked it!

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It just seems that too many programs lately are "ticking the boxes" with characters. (The three new volunteers who came over together were a set of character types, were they not?) I don't disagree with your point: "With more than a century of screen dramas, it must be pretty difficult to avoid stereotyping." But there needs to be more to a character than that. The officer who sent the broken man back to the front was too much of a caricature, too underdeveloped.


Actually, I quite liked it!

I think most of us here did, too! (We're being cautious, because we've had our hopes dashed before, lol.) We've noted the stereotypes, but we think the program looks promising (I hope you read the comments about that). For example, I suspect the embittered older Sister will be much more fleshed out in weeks to come (especially with Kerry Fox playing her).

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The trouble with stereotypes is that they more often than not have a basis in fact. Myself, I think that writers can't win. As you say, if they wrote untypical characters they'd be accused of being unrealistic. As to the really derisive criticism, I've read it too, and some of it is just knocking for the sake of it. Some of the criticism is, however, quite fair and justified, from people who know the subject inside out, but only people with that depth of knowledge of a subject will pick up the points of detail that you mention. On any subject - occupational/specialist's hazard, if you like. I'm a UN interpreter. Years ago, my colleagues and I watched Nicole Kidman in the film 'The Interpreter'. Almost every professional detail was wrong (incorrect UN official languages, type of interpretation used) and the interpreter herself was so unlike any interpreter any of us had ever met that we left the cinema crying with laughter. We'd have probably just enjoyed it as a good film had we not had that insider, specialist knowledge.

Fortunately, I know something about the Great War but not enough to be able to criticise errors of detail, which, I think, makes me rather fortunate. Provided the acting is good (and I think it is, so far, very good) and the show is a reasonable attempt to reflect a time and place of which I believe there are now no remaining eyewitnesses, I'm happy to give it the benefit of the doubt. :)

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Hi everyone! How are you RM? Hillrosemary, remember you from the Richard II board.

I agree with RM about, for example, the officer being a caricature. Don't get me wrong, what we now know as post-traumatic stress disorder was little understood in WW1, and the army didn't know what to do with the sizeable number of men suffering from it. There were obviously many officers who thought the same way as the one in the series - that the sufferers were shirkers and cowards who should be sent back to the front. My quibble isn't that the officer was atypical, but that he could have been more fleshed-out and less "villainous". Lol.

I'm fairly forgiving when it comes to historical inaccuracies and anachronisms, unless they're glaring. Life's too short to be so finicky! My dear late Dad was in the RAF in the war, and he was a bit of an expert on aircraft. Many a war film was ruined for us as my Dad shouted at the telly in disgust at the mistakes made by the producers! Bless him!







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Hello supergran! Yes, I remember an interesting discussion on there. Nice to see you, too!

I see your point about the officer, but my hope is that he will return and become more of a developed character in subsequent episodes. Since episode one was really an introduction, and therefore we only got glimpses, as it were, of each character, I think and hope that's possible.

Love the story about your Dad.My Dad was a tube train driver for fifty years and knew the network like the back of his hand. You can guess what happened when (now) ancient episodes of Doctor Who took the characters into the disused Tube tunnels under London ...

Look forward to discussing The Crimson Field with you!

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