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Vile and horrific... but instant cult classic?


A slow burning descent into good vs evil on the most basic of playing fields. When prayers for the Lord sends to them Hell in a hand basket there seems to be more at play here, underlining the brutality for keen viewers. For a low budget play on your typical genre, it strives for more without even trying. Begs to be witnessed, not viewed. Get past the viciousness and you'll find a cult hit in the vein of "Dog Day Afternoon" crossed with "The VVitch". Its power lays in its self-masturbation. Take that as you will.

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It was a pile of steaming vomit. Vile and disgusting with nothing of any value. A 0 out of 10. I am sure there are disgusting freaks who get off on this *beep*

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You're not supposed to get off on it, or come away feeling all lovey-dovey like you just watched a Disney film...
It's meant to disgust and horrify you, because it's a character study on people and morality.

Heck, might as well start lamb-basting people over liking Hamlet, because it's a story where most of the main characters kill one another!!

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You're not supposed to get off on it, or come away feeling all lovey-dovey like you just watched a Disney film...
It's meant to disgust and horrify you, because it's a character study on people and morality.

Heck, might as well start lamb-basting people over liking Hamlet, because it's a story where most of the main characters kill one another!!
No, this is a whole different kind of depravity altogether and there are those that will revel in it, as Jim said.

The makers of this movie have no concept of decorum or dignity and obviously had their sights set on painting Christianity in a negative light. Which is nothing new for Hellywood.


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No, this is a whole different kind of depravity altogether and there are those that will revel in it, as Jim said.

Of course there are, but most of those are teenage boys who have yet to actually see someone die or understand what it is to be hurt by someone. Same as the kids who were giggling in the theater during the opening scenes of Saving Private Ryan... which I'm sure you'll try and tell me is equally disgusting and depraved...

The makers of this movie have no concept of decorum or dignity and obviously had their sights set on painting Christianity in a negative light. Which is nothing new for Hellywood.

Oh... so a factual documentary, then?
Is this the same Christianity that millions of people use as an excuse to kill each other? To butcher children, rape women and tear countries apart?
There are People like this in real life. If this film that shows what people can be like disgusts you, then it has done its job very well. I notice it does so without being overly graphic, either... very little gore in this compared to a number of other, more highly praised flicks of similar ilk.
But then, seeing that would mean actually considering the film beyond the simplest aspects displayed.

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Saving Private Ryan... which I'm sure you'll try and tell me is equally disgusting and depraved...
No, in Saving Private Ryan they didn't depict gasses escaping a deceased human body. That was totally tasteless, but alot of idiots really got a kick out of that I'm sure. As obviously did the filmmakers.

Oh... so a factual documentary, then?
Is this the same Christianity that millions of people use as an excuse to kill each other? To butcher children, rape women and tear countries apart?
So in your narrow mind Christianity is to blame for the corruption of man? You can't comprehend that It's pure ignorance for you to present this argument that all of you atheist types cling to. Wrap your head around the fact that people can do anything under the flag of anything and that doesn't necessarily mean they genuinely represent that flag.

There are People like this in real life. If this film that shows what people can be like disgusts you, then it has done its job very well. I notice it does so without being overly graphic, either... very little gore in this compared to a number of other, more highly praised flicks of similar ilk.
But then, seeing that would mean actually considering the film beyond the simplest aspects displayed.
Oh, you're such a sophisticate. How impressive it is that you can discern whatever meaning that you want to from a movie. You assign credit as if you know what the filmmakers intentions were, which shows how pretentious you are. Yes, you definitely think more highly of yourself than is warranted.


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No, in Saving Private Ryan they didn't depict gasses escaping a deceased human body. That was totally tasteless

Welcome to death. It happens. Almost always, in fact. It's not a fart joke, it's genuinely what happens, along with the deceased soiling themselves.
Get over it.

but alot of idiots really got a kick out of that I'm sure. As obviously did the filmmakers.

That's quite an assumption...

So in your narrow mind Christianity is to blame for the corruption of man?

Catholicism, perhaps, although most flavours of Christianity do their part to condemn both the non-believers and their own kind. Born of sin, into sin and all that...?
But generally most organised religions have been the root of much evil ever since their inception.

You can't comprehend that It's pure ignorance for you to present this argument that all of you atheist types cling to.

Ah, so you're a good Christian and merely ASSume I'm presenting that argument because you already have a defence planned out in your head.... or just because you fancy a fight and reckon that's a cause you can rally behind?
Typical straw man...
Oh, and well done for assuming I am an atheist, as well.
Anything more you want to try and guess at?

Wrap your head around the fact that people can do anything under the flag of anything and that doesn't necessarily mean they genuinely represent that flag.

Tell that to those slaughtered in the Crusades.

Oh, you're such a sophisticate. How impressive it is that you can discern whatever meaning that you want to from a movie.

And yet, regardless of what I may have wanted to find, I still arrive at pretty much the same conclusion as that laid down by the film makers... because it's pretty blatant.

You assign credit as if you know what the filmmakers intentions were, which shows how pretentious you are.

Again, you ASSume... in this case that I've *not* gone away and read more about the making of the film, watched interviews with the writer and director and actually learned a bit about what they were gunning for. Do not assume.

Yes, you definitely think more highly of yourself than is warranted.

Actually I'm slightly below average, but sussing this film out is not exactly difficult - Look at the fücking title, for God's sake... It's as obvious a plot giveaway as Finding Nemo - and yet you call me pretentious because I can figure out what you still cannot....??!!
Seems like you ain't burdened with an overabundance of schooling.




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Welcome to death. It happens. Almost always, in fact. It's not a fart joke, it's genuinely what happens, along with the deceased soiling themselves.
Get over it.
You're a moron or else you'd understand how unnecessary that is. In fact it's possibly the first time I've ever seen a movie think it's necessary to depict it and I've seen (It's hard to quantify) but I'd say tens of thousands of movies if not hundreds of thousands. And don't presume to tell me to get over it!

"alot of idiots really got a kick out of that"

That's quite an assumption...
Not at all... when I was 18 or so, I had a couple friends over to watch Mother's Day(1980) and my one friend kept cheering the son's on while raping the females they had captured. It got so bad I had to physically kick him out of my house and that's not uncommon at all. I wonder how reclusive you must be, to think that's a stretch.

Catholicism, perhaps, although most flavours of Christianity do their part to condemn both the non-believers and their own kind. Born of sin, into sin and all that...?
But generally most organised religions have been the root of much evil ever since their inception.
Catholicism is satan's work and the rest of what you say proves your narrow-minded hatred. It's more convenient for sinners to think there's no God, so they don't have to discipline themselves and that's what society is progressively doing. We're all sinners.

Ah, so you're a good Christian and merely ASSume I'm presenting that argument because you already have a defence planned out in your head.... or just because you fancy a fight and reckon that's a cause you can rally behind?
Typical straw man...
No, you are literally presenting that argument, duh! You know, the one that says Christianity is accountable for X amount of deaths in it's name and that's a reason to hate it. Wake up Einstein and follow along.

Oh, and well done for assuming I am an atheist, as well.
Anything more you want to try and guess at?
You're seething with animosity for Christianity yet you'll play this game, as if it's a stretch to see you as an atheist. How bout you just tell me what you are?

Maybe it's the culture gap, but I can't talk to someone as unreasonable as you are.


My Crime Is Prohibited Thought, My Oppressors Are Bleeding Heart Liberals

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You're a moron or else you'd understand how unnecessary that is.

And you're a *beep* retard because you fail to see how it juxaposes the situation against itself.

In fact it's possibly the first time I've ever seen a movie think it's necessary to depict it

Oh well... First time for everything, I suppose.

and I've seen (It's hard to quantify) but I'd say tens of thousands of movies if not hundreds of thousands.

And you've never once encountered port mortem flatulence?
I'd say you're lying about having seen that many films.

And don't presume to tell me to get over it!

Don't be a dick, then. Get over yourself... and THEN get over it!! 

Not at all... when I was 18 or so, I had a couple friends over to watch Mother's Day(1980) and my one friend kept cheering the son's on while raping the females they had captured.

Ah, so your ONE anecdote about ONE person counts for ALL people, does it?
Hey, I met a Scottish person once, so surely ALL Scots are tight-fisted ginger *beep* right?

I wonder how reclusive you must be, to think that's a stretch.

I wonder how reclusive you are, that you would think one experience is representative of the norm...

Catholicism is satan's work and the rest of what you say proves your narrow-minded hatred.

Organised religion is a system created by man to control a mass populace. It's pretty obvious.

It's more convenient for sinners to think there's no God, so they don't have to discipline themselves and that's what society is progressively doing. We're all sinners.

If those who claim authority start telling everyone they're born in sin, live in sin and will all go to Hell anyway, why would/should people bother - *beep* it, right? That's all responsibility eliminated and taken away from us before we even try. The government want complete control of us and that's the result... and it started with religion. Some nations and states have tried to separate State from Church but, as before, people are corrupt and new forms of control take the place of the religions.

No, you are literally presenting that argument, duh!

You brought up Christianity, specifically leaping to vehemently defend it when I hadn't even mentioned it - Strawman.

You know, the one that says Christianity is accountable for X amount of deaths in it's name and that's a reason to hate it.

That's not an argument, that's a counter to your own assertion.

Wake up Einstein and follow along.

Think you'd better take your own advice first, matey. That way you might at least understand how and why films like these actually work.

You're seething with animosity for Christianity yet you'll play this game, as if it's a stretch to see you as an atheist.

See, that's another argument against Christianity right there - You assume either I am a devoted Christian, or I have no god at all... Atheists believe in nothing. Not Buddha, Krishna, Allah, Yaweh, nothing. But as a Christian, I expect you could not even entertain the thought I could believe in God without being a Christian.... Tell me more about how *I* am meant to be the narrow-minded one, again? 

How bout you just tell me what you are?

How 'bout you *beep* off and stop assuming... and stop arguing against things that aren't even the issue.

Maybe it's the culture gap, but I can't talk to someone as unreasonable as you are.

Might be .... but in 40 or so years, once you've grown up, left school, experienced the real world and gotten somewhere close to my own age, you might actually understand.... but until then, boyo, you just work on getting over yourself, maybe doing a touch of homework on seeing beyond your own ignorant opinion.

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Hmmm, the jim doth protest too much. Maybe the story touched too close to "home," Papa?

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Hmmm, the jim doth protest too much. Maybe the story touched too close to "home," Papa?
Hmmm, the misguided mldardar, thinks himself witty.

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It was a pile of steaming vomit. Vile and disgusting with nothing of any value. A 0 out of 10. I am sure there are disgusting freaks who get off on this *beep*
You're completely right, Jim. This movie is derivative *beep*

My Crime Is Prohibited Thought, My Oppressors Are Bleeding Heart Liberals

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Its power lays in its self-masturbation.
Masturbation is inherently of self you lazy-eyed ginger. It's disgusting how you exalt this pile of *beep*

My Crime Is Prohibited Thought, My Oppressors Are Bleeding Heart Liberals

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Who said I exalt it... I'm merely stating a point. If to get through to the depraved viewer requires vileness, it did. There is power in that and some form of cult status follows such displays. Self-masturbation here means it *beep* with itself instead of catering to those who would "masturbate" to it. But to counter your view masturbation can involve stimulating another person. For a family claiming to have God on its side their sins came due, and the survivor was the only one against the incest. In addition, attacking me rather than the subject makes you as deprived as those you claim to despise.

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Who said I exalt it... I'm merely stating a point.
You've been singing it's praises since the beginning.

to counter your view masturbation can involve stimulating another person.
Yes but again, masturbation is inherently self, in the same way suicide is. You need to specify when it's done or assisted by a second party. No one specifies self-masturbation, in the same way no one says he did self-suicide.

In addition, attacking me rather than the subject makes you as deprived as those you claim to despise.
I'm deprived of what? I'm attacking you, if that's what you want to call it, because you're defending this garbage and acting like anyone who doesn't like it is just too simple to see it's artistic beauty.


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deprived for attention, i guess... like a Troll on the IMDB forums.

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deprived for attention, i guess... like a Troll on the IMDB forums.
I resent being compared to you 😠

My Crime Is Prohibited Thought, My Oppressors Are Bleeding Heart Liberals

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back to masturbate again, are you... lol

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