I'm antifeminist but


This movie was dreadful and the way the female characters were treated made me uncomfortable, especially because it was mindless violence.

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Why would you be anti-feminist?

I don't mean anti-feminist because there are a few loud idiots running around man hating, but by the actual definition (equality and rights for women), why would this be something you are against? Just curious...

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Why would you be anti-feminist?
Ha! Really?  You don't know?

Well, here are links to the thoughts of some popular/prominent anti-feminist women explaining their reasons for being anti-feminists and/or NOT being feminists:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqEeCCuFFO8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNErQFmOwq0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD65wnDGuTg

...there are a few loud idiots running around man hating, but by the actual definition (equality and rights for women)
...and the consistent reason actually stated among these anti-feminist females in their videos seems to be that: modern feminism has morphed away from really being about working toward that very "definition" anymore, and into being MOSTLY "loud idiots running around man-hating". ...but, they have many other reasons too. 

Peace! 


On November 6, 2012 god blessed America...again. 

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Because everybody knows that feminism has nothing to do with equality, it's all about female supremacy. In this day and age, females don't need equality, they're treated better than men in everything. And you'll never convinced me that a middle class suburban white teenager girl is oppressed by a black or white male living in the projects.

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Well I am a feminist and have no desire for female supremacy nor do I agree that women are 'treated better at everything.' However thank you for illuminating your thoughts.

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Feminists are dumb-ass weak pathetic attention seeking self centered no-good idiots!
There, we are on a Tarantino board after all. 

And the reason, miss MadHattress, in case you wonder, is not because I'm against equal rights, which I'm not.
It is because the name itself pushes ONE gender forward. That ain't about equality. It's about pushing women forward and men backwards.

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You're both right and wrong at the same time.
Feminism is defined as '' equality between men and women ''. HOWEVER.
The important thing to note is that Feminist groups all disagree on HOW.
HOW is the important question. Saying that you're '' for equality '' is completely uninteresting, because EVERYONE is ( except for an extremely tiny group of idiots ). The question is HOW.
Sex negative vs Sex positive Feminists is a great example of two Feminist leanings who disagree with each other almost 110%. Sex negative Feminists perceive a lot of issues having to do with women and sex as inherently shameful and oppressive, while sex positive Feminists perceive it in the exact opposite light.
To a sex negative Feminist, women sexualizing themselves is part of patriarchy and society can never be equal until women are no longer sexualized, while sex positive Feminists overall perceive it as empowering and women being free to express themselves sexually.

Same thing with things like prostitution. Many sex positive Feminists want it to be legalized and legislated, which would actually help the women who are forced into it and give them the opportunity to seek help when they get abused.
But sex negative ones believe that no woman would ever want to become a sex worker out of her own free choice, and that it should be illegal.
They believe that it is inherently oppressive and abusive, while sex positive Feminists believe that it can be empowering ( when done out of free choice )

There's A LOT of different Feminist groups, and almost ALL of them disagree with each other on how to reach equality and what is/ isn't unequal.
Some believe that sexualized depictions in video games makes society unequal, while others feel the opposite.
The only question that really matters is HOW people want to achieve equality. Because the vast majority of it is just personal subjective opinions at this point.

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If being a feminist can mean many different things that are actually contradictory, then they shouldn't call them selves feminists, otherwise they can't blame us for using a term that includes them all. The feminists that appear in the media and politics don't seem divided at all, they represent one body. The rest is insignificant.

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Wow, so narrow-minded!

So that means if you are, say, an existentialist, or a comunist, or a republican (in USA), you are only represented by one true definition, by everyone who uses that word to label themselves? Are you the same as them, no matter what they say/think/do?

I'm a feminist because I want equal rights for women and men everywhere. Call it being a humanist, if you prefer, but please don't think every feminist is a man-hating crazy and pretentious bitch because we are not.

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I think feminism is like communism, it's marketed as a progressive movement towards equality but once it has been implemented turns out to be a completely different thing. Naturally some feminists are genuinely embracing the equal rights narrative, others see an opportunity to further their careers through this movement, but in the end it's a tool by 1% to divide and conquer a country. By now, most women figured out that feminism was a sham that didn't bring them anything positive, that's why few of them will accept that label.

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Certainly I do not agree with you but I respect your opinion. However, I am truly curious about a thing you said: Feminism has been "implemented" as communism has been before??? (your comparisonm not mine) Oh Really? Where? How? This is not a form of government, what do you mean?

I think some men (and I suppose women too) feel they are being threatened by feminism but I truly don't know why!

By now, most women figured out that feminism was a sham that didn't bring them anything positive, that's why few of them will accept that label."


Ok this is just too much. How do you know this? Maybe you are from the US (I'm from Spain) and the things are different there but I think this is too exaggerated.

Again, sorry for all the questions, I just want to know why "feminism" is now a synonym for catastrophe.

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I am truly curious about a thing you said: Feminism has been "implemented" as communism has been before??? (your comparisonm not mine) Oh Really? Where? How? This is not a form of government, what do you mean?

Feminism is mainstream, it's an ideology that is constantly pushed forward by the media and politics. Like communism, it doesn't tolerate dissents, that's why you would never hear someone allowed to criticize feminism in the media. Feminism materialized into gender quotas in fields that feminists consider lack female presence. Strangely, it never goes the other way around. Women are overrepresented in fields like justice, medicine and education but no feminists are trying to balance the gender ratio in those fields.

Ok this is just too much. How do you know this? Maybe you are from the US (I'm from Spain) and the things are different there but I think this is too exaggerated.

Again, sorry for all the questions, I just want to know why "feminism" is now a synonym for catastrophe.

I'm not from the US either but I think it's the same situation in western Europe. Some countries are just worse than others, a few years ago, there was a swedish politician tried to pass a law that would ban men from urinating while standing. That's the problem with feminism, it's a movement that is walking on its head because it has gone way too far. And when female celebrities star bashing feminism in public, you know it's in a dead end.
http://www.therichest.com/expensive-lifestyle/12-celebrities-who-have-rejected-feminism/

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Thanks for answering, at least I got a better grasp of your opinion and your reasons behind it.

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That's an interesting theory, I've never saw it that way

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“they're treated better than men in everything. ”

Oh God, some people actually believe crap like this? Hilarious. Are you including women that live in places like India, Pakistan, South Africa, Papa New Guinea, etc, on that list? How about the fact that women are much more likely to be raped? Much more likely to be killed by their partner? Less represented in movies (you’re on a movie board and still saying this?), more objectified in movies, more likely to be molested/harassed as a child, more likely to be discriminated against at work, less likely to be taken seriously, less likely to have a top CEO position, still discriminated against via “boy’s club” at work (Hollywood in general), etc. If you actually believe this, you don’t know a thing.

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I think he was referring to west world. Obviously, women are not treated equally nor better all around the world.

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Everything I said applies to women in the West. There are places in Europe where sexual harassment of women is a terrible problem and rape stats are high. Even Sweden, which is usually considered the best country for women, has high harassment/rape numbers.

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Harrasment can be very subjective, and particularly these days. That being said, equality and rapes are not related to equality in my opinion. You might be equal, does not mean you won't be harrassed or raped. It has Nothing to do with it, its a different social problem.

Also, men are also being harrassed/raped, both by women and men.

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Yet girls/women are disproportionately victims of sexual harassment and assault. Claiming women are treated better than man in every way is an absolute joke, hugely insulting and plain moronic.

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Here is a good reason, feminists NEVER speak seriously against the loud idiots you mention, meanwhile:
You know the biggest group fighting against Deash/ISIS/AlQuaida/Taliban? Its Muslims(including very religious ones).
Among the most vocal group against Westbro Baptists, KKK and the like? Christians(again including Church goers)
Among the most vocal against Zionists/Orthodox Jews/Ultranationalist Israelis? Jews(Religious ones)
Anti-Putin people? Russians(ones who actually like Russia)
Among the people who risked their lives against Nazis? Germans(Operation Valkarie, meaning they were German patriots)
Anti-Bush? American patriots.

So why is it that this one political group is COMPLETELY excused from fighting their extremists? Feminists like Christina Hoff Sommers and Erin Piezy choose to but were quickly removed from the group, sent death threats FROM FEMINISTS, Erin Piezy's dog was killed BY FEMINISTS, feminists literally held book burnings against their writing.
Meanwhile what did other feminists do? NOTHING.
I have asked this question many times and never been given an answer. If you want me to stop hating feminists give me one example of feminists fighting/speaking out against their extremists in an actually serious manner. (HEFORSHE does NOT count, it was against men and told men to do something while telling women nothing)

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Feminists are not responsible for extremists.

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It's a period piece, ya nitwit. Women didn't have rights, or very few at all, when the film took place.

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It was completely unrealistic you fool

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This is a "woman" who is a mass murder and a very important member of a gang full of killers, your point being?? She murdered John Ruth in cold blood too...

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It sounded like a pretext for the beatings and torture of a woman. We have no proof that she is actually a mass murderer.

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...pretext for the beatings and torture of a woman.
Yeah!  but what is wrong with beating and torturing a *gasp* woman? I mean, if it were a pretext for beating a man then it would be okay.

THIS is equality!

Peace! 


On November 6, 2012 god blessed America...again. 

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Most people find the idea of male to female violence abhorrent because most men are physically stronger than women and can inflict more damage with their bodies to a woman that a woman could to a man. Few women could do serious bodily harm to a man with just their bodies. A man can even use his penis as a weapon by perpetrating rape. It's the same reason why we find violent against children so abhorrent because the physical playing field is not level.

Also many female victims of violence and abuse are not believed (just look at Amber Heard in the media right now) as one instance.

It's not that violence against men is okay but most films show male on male violence where the score is largely even i.e. 2 strong men fighting in the context of war or some cause. Male v female violence is commonly exploitative and 'revenge/torture porny' in nature designed to be sexualised or to 'teach a woman her place.'

That said I do not particularly enjoy watching male on male violence either but I have not come across many films where I felt such violence was exploitative...more used in the context of war, gang warfare etc.

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Most people find the idea of male to female violence abhorrent because most men are physically stronger than women...It's the same reason why we find violent against children so abhorrent because the physical playing field is not level.
I don't think that is the main reason! I think it is virtually instinctual (not a thought process). Human females have a high level of neoteny, which is the retention of juvenile-like characteristics...basically a more rounded appearance that softens their features. Since most mammals naturally protect young animals, sometimes of separate species, this characteristic in women is what keeps men in a 'protective' mode around women.
Few women could do serious bodily harm to a man with just their bodies
Ha!  Well, that's just undeniably false, and if you can't think of a way all women can hurt all men you are not really trying!
A man can even use his penis as a weapon by perpetrating rape. Also many female victims of violence and abuse are not believed (just look at Amber Heard in the media right now) as one instance.
 What does that have to do with this movie?
It's not that violence against men is okay but most films show male on male violence where the score is largely even i.e. 2 strong men fighting in the context of war or some cause.
I disagree. Plenty of movies show men getting wholesale slaughtered. And what does the context matter? They are still dead, mutilated, wounded...without a secondary thought or shred of sympathy.
Male v female violence is commonly exploitative and 'revenge/torture porny' in nature designed to be sexualised or to 'teach a woman her place.'
 Yeah...I'm thinking about Reservoir Dogs as I read that. If it happens to a guy...well, tough. He shouldn't have been born a guy. But if it happens to a woman it's "sexual" "exploitation" "porn".
That said I do not particularly enjoy watching male on male violence either but I have not come across many films where I felt such violence was exploitative
 You must be joking! ...you don't get out much?
...more used in the context of war, gang warfare etc.
Well, try it this way. Daisy's abuse was in the context of "frontier justice" setting where/when life was more brutal/rugged and justice was often delivered without dispassion...was in danger of not being justice. Sux...but it is not more wrong to show a woman suffering in that context than a man.

The very essence of equality! 


On November 6, 2012 god blessed America...again. 

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Female victims of violence are almost always believed, even without evidence.
If you want to talk about people not being believed, then it goes far more so for men.
Men are by far less likely to be believed when they say that they've been abused by their wife / girlfriend.

Society at large leaps to the rescue of women who are abused, there's always going to be exceptions to this. But we don't judge things based on exceptions.

Women can also rape men and use sex as violence. You could consider false rape accusations as sexual violence and violation, which ruins lives.
But even so. A lot of people don't even believe that men can get raped. I like the '' tickling example ''. Just because you smile and laugh while being tickled doesn't mean that you enjoy it. Your body reacts without your consent.
It's the same with men being raped. Just because a man has an erection and orgasms doesn't mean that he wanted it or enjoyed it.
The idea that men can't get raped if they orgasms falls apart entirely too when you consider that almost more than half of women who are raped orgasms too, and women do almost always get wet during rape. Our bodies react even if we're not mentally in on it.
I think that male rape is FAR more common than people would like to believe and admit.
It's just a lot more shameful for a man to come forward with it, and he is by far less likely to be believed and taken seriously ( unless it was a man who raped him ).

I mean. Imagine for a second that you were a man and was raped. And when you tried to get help, the only thing that you were met by was '' Lol, men can't get raped. Stop taking attention away from REAL rape victims like women ''.


I find the whole male vs female as a revenge story thing to be true tho, but mainly in American Hollywood.
I watch a lot of Anime, and am a Gamer. And, well.... If we just disregard the fact that people who don't watch a lot of Anime or play a lot of video games have a very narrow-minded and distorted view on it. As someone who do, female characters who are on equal grounds as men in terms of physical strength ( or even MORE powerful ) is the norm.

Slapstick comedy against men perpetuated by women is the norm in Anime especially. Women are commonly portrayed as physically stronger than men and literally throw them around all over the place, it almost never happens the other way around. And when it does it's showcased as a very serious thing, and not like comedy.

The difference is quite baffling tho. It's like night and day when you compare women in games and Anime in comparison to Hollywood in terms of power level.
The whole idea that ''strong female characters '' is a '' new '' thing to me is just such an alien idea, because I grew up with them and see them on a daily basis. It's really mainly an American Hollywood issue. Women in Swedish movies ( I am Swedish ) have a tendency to be more active too.

Another thing that bothers me on that note too tho. Is that female characters that do bad things ( are villains ), almost always HAS to have a sad and abusive backstory. Because apparently a woman has to be a victim to be a villain too. Because apparently people won't believe that a woman can commit evil acts unless she was driven to do it ( Usually by a man ).

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Also. It's worth noting. That MORE men are raped in America than women. It just happens in prison. If you actually include prison rapes, then male on male rape far exceeds male on female rape.
So men are actually a greater victim of male rapists.
Just because you're in jail doesn't mean that you deserve rape. Most of these guys are probably in jail for smaller crimes ( or innocent ). It's the big and scary criminals preying on the smaller and weaker ones.

Male rape victims is an extremely ignored thing in America.
It's quite astonishing how nobody is really talking about it.
If women were raped as much as men were in prison ( aka, MORE than woman as a whole in America ). There would be a discussion about it and people would be outraged.

Around 215 000 men are raped in prison on a yearly basis.
In comparison to around 91 000 women AND MEN raped outside of prison.

And considering that men DO go to jail for false rape accusations too. There's probably a great deal of men who go to prison on false rape charges, the word gets around inside of prison. And the men are then raped themselves even to they're innocent.

So yeah. Women being victims of violence is horrible. But if you actually start looking into the numbers, then men got it far worse and are FAR less likely to receive help when victimized.

If anything, men being victimized should really be a much bigger deal than it is.
But we all just have this perception of men as inherently strong, and that men should just '' deal with it like a man ''. While women are little fragile flowers that would never hurt anyone and do no wrong.
And the moment that ANYTHING happens to a woman, society leaps to her rescue, no questions asked.

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Her brother and his psychotic gang of murderous criminals? Jody Domergue didn't have a $50,000 bounty on his head for nothing.

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It's not just about the female prisoner. Later we've shown how the females who owned the barn were all massacred by the gang. That's why it felt like Tarantino was making a point of having females mercilessly abused in this movie. I never liked his movies and he is obviously a perverted and deranged individual, I won't watch anything from him again.

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It was called "The Hateful Eight". What were you expecting, them to have a tea party and skip their merry way around Minnie's? You also go out of your way to avoid pointing out the Domergue Gang also brutally gun down all the men at the same time just to complain that Tarantino fetishizes violence against women, which is hilarious when you look at some of the female characters he's written in his career.

But yeah, you probably should stop watching them, given that it sounds like you completely missed the point here.

If you wanna see a solid collection: https://www.criterion.com/my_criterion/15660-will-c/collection

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It was called "The Hateful Eight". What were you expecting


I genuinely expected something that would be like the Magnificient Seven. Turns out it was an torture fetish for chill seeking teens and a stupid plot. As usual we have the typical Tarantino neverending pointless dialogues, I guess it helps covering the vacuity of the story.

just to complain that Tarantino fetishizes violence against women, which is hilarious when you look at some of the female characters he's written in his career.


I'm talking about this movie in particular, I've seen Kill Bill, I know it doesn't have anything to do with misogyny. Tarantino only want to gross out his audience and provoke disgust. He's a Troll filmmaker.

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Well, is Kill Bill the only other Taratino movie you saw?

Because he does the grossing out and provoking disgust trick more often.

Maybe you should just stick to DC/Marvel superheroes movies.. (the ones with female heroes in of course :) )

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Don't make quick conclusions, I despise the superhero movies except fro the X-men 1st Class and DOFP, I watch them for fun when I have nothing else.
As for Tarantino, I watched Pulp Fiction because everybody was talking about it, it confirms that most people are lemmings and don't dare criticize this abomination because it was hyped up like crazy and was given an oscar. This movie doesn't make any sense, it's done by a messed up guy for a messed up audience. His signature is pointless never-ending dialogue about frivolous stuff, mindless violence, unnatural sex.

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My suggestion wasn't a conclusion, but more meant as a joke that apparently fell flat.

Anyways, messed up audiences need movies too. The movie genre spectrum is pretty wide and not everything is for everybody.. Fortunately! :D

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His movies are for a niche audience of messed up people looking for messed up stuff, like snuff films. The problem is that someone decided that this filth should become mainstream, they gave him an oscar and hyped him like crazy. Now we have to suffer a new Tarantino filth every now and then. Even if you don't want to hear about it, it's like Lady Gaga and Kim Kardashian, it's friggin evrywhere you look at. I haven't watched neither Django or Inglorious Basterds but it was so much advertised I feel like I did. Btw I believe his success is no stranger to being a freemason.

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You can dodge Lady Gaga by listening to a Golden Oldies radio channel. I think they only broadcast the boring Kardashian on certain networks too.

As for mainstream, it's overrated. Don't believe the hype, you are hurting yourself and it's all you that is doing that.

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Oh god... just avoid Tarantino's movies and let other people appreciate them.

"Now we have to suffer another Tarantino filth every now and the ."

It doesn't make me suffer, speak for yourself. As I already said, don't watch his movies if they are too much for you and let people appreciate. 🙄

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As opposed to how nicely the male characters in this movie were treated? All of the male staff at the barn were brutally murdered as well. Women weren't singled out for violence, it's just a violent movie for everyone. There's not a single character in it who escapes violence, man or woman.

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She killed John Ruth in self-defense. He kept her chained up to his arm, physically abused her, and was admittedly going to have her killed when they got to Red Rock.


Make no provision for the flesh, to gratify its desires.

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Except it wasn't "self defense." It was something she had probably wanted to do to him since he caught her. He was weakened by poison and she looked aroused at the notion of pulling a trigger again, similar to the sexualized behavior of Piper Laurie at the end of "Carrie" when she's crucified in the kitchen.

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Ruth was going to have her killed when they got back to Red Rock. She was also kept chained up by him without her consent. That alone says it most certainly was self-defense for her to kill this person, self-defense from her perspective at least.


Make no provision for the flesh, to gratify its desires.

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You don't actually get to claim "self-defense" when you kill the people who are bringing you in for justice.

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well she had every right to try and escape - its only on John Ruth's say so that she is guilty and even that warrant does not mean anything ... warrants were easily issued to remove enemies and people who were not liked by one faction or another


Ruth's death was well deserved


and it was in self defence

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well she had every right to try and escape...
Ha!  She doesn't even have the right to resist arrest, escape is out of the question...as a "right", and killing people to get out of punishment gets you a worse than death execution...if you are guilty. Which she apparently was, as she never disputes her guilt.

Daisy and John Ruth can discuss it when she gets to hell! 


On November 6, 2012 god blessed America...again. 

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This movie was dreadful and the way the female characters were treated made me uncomfortable, especially because it was mindless violence.
I don't think it was a bad movie at all.

In this movie, a mans head is blown clean off.
Another guys testicles are blown into smithereens.
A man's hand is chopped off after he's been shot.
Men are poisoned. Stabbed in the back.

... and you complain about the punches and such? >_<

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Like the MadHatress mentioned, male on male violence is viewed differently than male on woman violence, especially when it doesn't look justified at all. The sheriff was abusing a cuffed prisoner.

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It was definitely overdone.. And I funny mean *beep* yeah Tarantino over the top!! I mean, this seems try hard.. Every other scene some sort of abuse has to take place like we get it

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Don't care what you think, I liked it

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"It was mindless violence".

As opposed to violence displaying a great presence of mind?



"facts are stupid things" Ronald Reagan

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As opposed to mindful violence that is conscious and directed with a purpose other than showing a violent on screen.

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Anyway you're wrong - Tarantino's violence here is not gratuitous or "mindless" because it's supported by story and character and Tarantino takes a great deal of time paving the way to gunplay, laying down motivation and cranking up tension. If his chief purpose in making films were to show violence, I'm sure he wouldn't fill 3/4 of them with people sitting/standing around talking to each other.



"facts are stupid things" Ronald Reagan

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I'm sure he wouldn't fill 3/4 of them with people sitting/standing around talking to each other.

I suspect that he does this endless and pointless dialogues only to make you fall asleep and then make you jump your chair when a guy gets his head blown up by a gunshot. His movies are just an awful mess full of filth.

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This country is completely lost its balls, I can't wait for this war with Russia and the draft. Most you sons of bitches will have to get off your fat asses and learn how to shoot and clean guns for a living, maybe get a little blood on your freaking hands. I'm basking in the ambience. Lol !!!!

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