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Oscar Snubbed

posted 4 years ago by bigbadwolf666 (4707)
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After finally watching it. Surprised it didnt even get nominated for any academies after much buzz. After watching it I can actually see why it shouldve been nominated in several awards. Especially Serkis after being such an innovator and giving it his all in his greatest work. The film definitely had a feel leads dramas but got snubbed who knows why. People just dont like apes. The film got critically acclaim and was a blockbuster, even going so far as the gigantic effort of 3D but none of it matter as it came and went as any other.

[–] cyguration (3833) 3 years ago

I had the exact same thoughts.

All while watching this film, it was amazing to me that Serkis pulled off a performance of a lifetime. There are rarely any films out there with a character as compelling and magnetic as Caesar, and combining his acting talent with the special effects team, Caesar's turn as the hateful leader out for retribution is a rarity in film-making.

Even more so, the script could have gone the traditional revenge/war route between the humans and apes, but it didn't. It went a completely different direction, and the trailers and promotional material really betrayed the depth of the film.

Then again, if they had titled it more appropriate to the drama/thriller aspects, and commercialized it as a character study, I doubt it would have brought in close to $500 million at the box office.

[–] moviefanatic505 (6000) 3 years ago

I agree with you as well bud. I love that it subverted expectations but still was an amazing film. Personally I feel the Apes trilogy is one of the best trilogies of all time. I ranked them like this

Rise I give a 8/10
Dawn I give a 8.5-9/10
War I give a 9.0-9.5/10

Serkis's work as Ceasar was nothing short of breathtaking. Matt Reeves the director of Dawn and War is who is helming the new Batman film which is why I have hopes for it. He is an underrated director. He also did the American Let Me in.

[–] cyguration (3833) 3 years ago

I'll be honest that I wasn't the biggest fan of Dawn with the way they handled the apes learning to shoot guns. I felt it could have been done better, but I did adore the rivalry between Koba and Caesar.

Matt Reeves is certainly a talented director, and Robert Pattinson can be good when given the right material to work with, the only problem is that there are certain expectations of Batman: that he can be physically intimidating, his presence strikes fear in criminals, and that he can handle himself well even outside of the costume.

The problem with Pattinson is that he refused to get into Batman shape for the role (something even Ben Affleck did despite having the physique of a drunkard), his voice is rather light for Batman, so his whisper sounds even less intimidating than his looks (Michael Keaton got away with it because he has more bass in his voice, so his whisper has that brooding menace to it, which was cool.) Affleck needed a modulator, and poor Bale stripped his voice raw after Batman Begins.

The problem isn't so much Reeves, but Pattinson. I would have preferred they had someone who comes off as more driven and physically aggressive as a Year-One Batman, like Bale in Batman Begins. His work ethic alone and the torture he put himself through just to LOOK like Batman gave everyone the impression that he COULD and SHOULD be Batman.

Pattinson's laziness about not wanting to get into super-hero shape was disappointing, and I can't get over how light his voice is, as well as his lack of dedication to learning martial arts (something Bale did rigorously in order to perform his own stunts for the fight choreography).

Visually The Batman looks good, but I'm not fond of any of the casting choices for Batman, Gordon, or Catwoman.

[–] moviefanatic505 (6000) 3 years ago

To each his own, I loved Dawn but surprisingly I liked War even more.

This is true but Pattinson stands at 6,1 so frame wise he already has the edge on Keaton. Keaton stands at 5,9.

We have only heard small snippets of what his Batman voice will sound like, to me it actually sounds really good. Affleck to me I always felt was too bulky. See Batman having that football body type works in animation and in video games but in live action film I do not feel it translates that well. Batman should be ripped but I think he has to be lean, I mean after all he is jumping off buildings scaling walls etc. I view him having a body type similar to Michael B Jordan from Black Panther. Bale I loved but his voice is forced, in parts it was good but in other areas too over the top.

See I view a bit different. If this is Batman just barely starting out I can see him seeing the need to bulk up later. Kind of like how a player in the NBA starts off as a stick but ends up bulking up later in their career. Case in point Hugh Jackman for Wolverine. He was in way better shape in his latter Wolverine films than his first set.

Bale may have learned and been dedicated to learning martial arts. However it was a shame it was not displayed well on film. I am the biggest fan of the Nolan Batman films but if I am measuring them objectively the hand to hand fights is where they were lacking. In BB it is so close up and edited so quickly it is hard to comprehend what is happening. In TDK and TDKR the camera is pulled back and so is the editing but then the mediocre choreography sticks out. It breaks immersion for me because it looks like a guy who barely has mobility in a costume flailing around throwing punches and kicks. It is tough because the Batsuit makes mobility a tough thing. After all TDK is the first Batman film where he could turn his head. I feel though that the fight scenes can be improved upon in this new film. That brief beatdown in the trailer looks great! Not a fan of casting for Gordon or Catwoman? I am curious as why why I think the casting for this movie is very inspired. I actually love the choices.

[–] cyguration (3833) 3 years ago

See I view a bit different. If this is Batman just barely starting out I can see him seeing the need to bulk up later. Kind of like how a player in the NBA starts off as a stick but ends up bulking up later in their career.

Interestingly enough, Bale did the exact opposite. According to the actor, it was difficult to move around in the suit being bulky and muscular (just like you mentioned), so he actually lost weight for The Dark Knight and Dark Knight Rises. Another interesting tidbit is that even though he could turn his head in the new suit, it was actually heavier than the Batman Begins suit, which surprised me. So Bale got thinner and the suit got heavier, but he felt he was a lot more mobile in the new suit compared to the old suit.

Bale may have learned and been dedicated to learning martial arts. However it was a shame it was not displayed well on film.

100% agreed here.

It's sad but he actually looked better in the behind-the-scenes footage than in the actual film. His movements were a lot faster and I was shocked he was able to pull off a one-two roundhouse kick to reverse heel hook kick in that suit, and do it with such poise, balance, and speed. Yet, YOU COULDN'T EVEN SEE IT IN THE FILM!!!!

You're right that it's definitely a shame, and I put that down to -- like you mentioned -- editing and choreography.

Not a fan of casting for Gordon or Catwoman? I am curious as why why I think the casting for this movie is very inspired. I actually love the choices.

Jeffrey Wright is a good actor but certainly not much of a Gordan, who not only has to be Batman's legal compass, but also father to Barbara. It also means more redhead erasure as Barbara will end up being cast as black if she does make an appearance, which is yet another race-swap for an established character.

Also, never been a fan of Zoe Kravits and nothing about her oozes sex appeal, which is vital for Catwoman.

[–] moviefanatic505 (6000) 3 years ago

Yep I know it was the exact opposite. See that is the thing I think people do not account for. That bulky body looks neat in a comic book, video game, or animation but it does not translate the best on screen. If you want Batman to move like a ninja he needs a leaner body in order to make it feel more organic and believable.

Nolan while a great director is not the best when it comes to fight sequences. Now he has improved immensely but at the time of Batman Begins I just think he had not had a whole lot of experience filming fight sequences. On top of that add to the fact that filming a Batman fight scene is more challenging than people realize. See people always point to BVS warehouse fight scene. It is flashy and very stylized but that was pulled off using cgi and post production green screen. The cape is cgi and the arms are cgi which makes pulling off the fight scene easier. In TDK and TDKR the editing and camera work got better but then the choreography still needed work. Unfortunately during that time period when BB was made the choppy quick cut editing trend was in full force. Bourne Identity series made that style popular. Now stuff like The Raid films and John Wick went back to the basics of relying on great editing, camera work and stunt work for the fights. Fortunately that quick cut trend has faded out.

See this is where we go separate ways. This is now the 5th live action interpretation of Batman. Sometimes change for the sake of change is needed. We already saw the classic commissioner Gordon with Oldman, as well as JK Simmons. I feel it is inspired to change the character and honestly I do not mind changing a character's race. Now hold on before you go off. Barbara Gordon's ethnicity is not vital to her character. Therefore that to me is not really a big deal. See a character such as Mulan has to be Asian because it is pivotal to the character. The culture the setting etc. Disagree I think Kravitz is beautiful.

[–] moviefanatic505 (6000) 3 years ago

I think she looks stunning in these set photos.

http://www.justjared.com/2020/10/12/zoe-kravitz-as-catwomanselina-kyle-see-the-batman-set-photos/

Check out Big Little Lies she is quite solid in that.

[–] cyguration (3833) 3 years ago

Ehh, it's more about her as a personality. She doesn't ooze sex appeal. Michelle Pfeiffer nailed it as Catwoman -- she represented what a lot of people expected from a femme fatale. I didn't think Anne Hathaway was especially sexy either, it felt like she was trying too hard.

Kravitz just doesn't have world-traveled, high-class socialite written all over her. That's part of the dynamic there with the Catwoman character. Same way as Halle Berry LOOKED sexy as Catwoman but had none of Catwoman's character traits. Charlize Theron oozes sex appeal and seems like a real life be-yotch, and would be perfect for Catwoman, but I think she may be too old for the role now.

I get the feeling Kravitz was cast as an in-crowd thing rather than because she was best suited the role, in fact I remember reading somewhere that they wanted to cast a BAME in the role. Another front runner was Ann De Armas, who I think has a much stronger exotic appeal about her, but they passed her up for Kravitz.

Barbara Gordon's ethnicity is not vital to her character. Therefore that to me is not really a big deal.

This goes more back to character expectations. We expect Batman to be nimble, smart, handsome and intimidating. We expect Barbara to be a nerdy, scholastic, acrobatic try-hard. It's how she was in the animated series and comic book.

When you see the seeds planted for something else, expectations become deflated due to the character depiction being betrayed, like what happened with the Jared Leto characterization of Joker in Suicide Squad.

[–] moviefanatic505 (6000) 3 years ago

See the thing is though I feel Kravitz has a feisty personality. Pfeiffer was fantastic as Catwoman I agree. See I actually disagree about Hathaway I felt she was good in her own way as well. I can see how a lot would take Pfeiffer but I thought Hathaway did a solid job.

Charlize Theron would be a picture perfect Catwoman, same goes for someone like Angelina Jolie back in her prime. As you said though she is too old for that role now. Also let me say this as the biggest Charlize fan there is I do not like when an actor's name overshadows the film or when it is obvious they got the role for who they are rather than earning it by convincing the director. Now here is the thing that type of casting can work. The prime example is Nicholson as Joker in Batman 1989. It worked because we had seen Nicholson play that type of role before. It was within his wheelhouse of acting, that was Nicholson's specialty. It paid off. However I think Ledger ultimately surpassed him because it was more of a transformative method performance. We had never seen Ledger play that kind of role before therefore it was a shock. Charlize I have no doubt could kill it, but lets be honest we have seen her play that type of role a million times.

Anne De Armas was actually a dream pick for me. Thing is though a lot of people online even mocked me because they scoffed at the fact that Catwoman is going to be ethnic. See at this point to me I am like okay as long she is feisty, sexy and can kickass why does it matter if she is ethnic? Matt Reeves is a good actor's director unlike somebody like Zack Snyder.

All those characteristics can remain in tact, it does not have to be the cookie cutter version everyone is used to seeing.

See I do not fully agree with this. See to me this is a double edged sword. People always get mad at Nolan's vision because they are like it is too realistic it is not comic book accurate. Then they turn around and praise Burton's Batman films. Burton was accurate then?

[–] moviefanatic505 (6000) 3 years ago

Batman's parents were not killed by Joker, Catwoman was a not a bumbling nerd that gets killed and revived by cats, penguins origin story etc. Thing is people do not care because they like how things appear. So then ask yourself what matters more the appearance behind something or the substance of what it is? Nolan's Batman was more in line plot wise with what Batman is. Is it fully accurate nope, but in the end it gets more of the themes of the comic book than Burton does. Burton simply has the panache and immersion of being more unrealistic. Both visions serve their purpose well. However if Nolan gets flak for taking liberations with the Batman character shouldn't Burton also get flak?

My point is it being comic book accurate does not guarantee it will be well done or even better than something that isn't. The Killing Joke animated film was considered a dud. Well aside from the Batgirl side stuff it followed the comic to a t. What was the issue? What went wrong? Well I can shed light in my book it adapted something that had already been emulated a bunch. Joker falling into acid seen that in Batman 1989, Joker pushing someone to their limit seen that in TDK, I could go on and on. That story is not fresh anymore. Is it a classic yes but elements of it have been emulated so much it feels old and tired. It would be like showing a modern audience Halloween 1978. Elements of that film have been so engrained into movies they probably have seen afterwards that those tropes are old. Halloween is not going to wow modern audiences like it did when it was released. Is it a classic for what it pioneered? Yes but you get my point.

[–] cyguration (3833) 3 years ago

You absolutely nailed it about Charlize -- I, too, feel her real life persona could have overshadowed the role, but she also would have been perfect casting, too. And you're right about Nicholson as well. I don't think he necessarily disappeared into the role, but he owned it and made it his own.

Ledger literally disappeared into the role of the Joker, a lot of people who weren't aware it was him didn't know until the credits rolled. That's how much he disappeared into the role. I love that type of casting.

Bale didn't disappear into Batman so much as he put in the work ethic and dedication EVERYONE expected from an actor who nabs the role. He gained/lost weight to be more mobile in the suit, he even suggested the costume design change so he could turn his head to better articulate his movement during combat, and they even wrote that into the film!

Bale's authentic approach to the role made me respect him as Batman, even though he's not the best Batman. If that makes sense.

I lost a ton of respect for Pattinson even before the trailer dropped when his snobbish attitude about not wanting to work out or learn martial arts was revealed. His off-screen persona has now tainted what I expect of him on-screen. Like a lot of people said: if he doesn't look like Batman or take the role seriously, how can we take him seriously?

Even a good director can't salvage the ego of an actor, so we'll see how that plays out in the final version of the film release.

As for Catwoman... this is another case of off-screen persona affecting on-screen depiction. I hate those disgusting tattoos on Kravits. It makes me gag every time I see them. Hopefully they cover them up in the film.

Her real life politics are also nauseating, and I fear that the studio purposely going with ethnic-related casting may lead to some on-screen moralizing about said politics. We've seen it happen before and it just takes me completely out of the film.

[–] moviefanatic505 (6000) 3 years ago

See and I am not the biggest fan of stunt casting. Now as I said sometimes it can work and can work very well. Nicholson was great as Joker but in the end we had seen Nicholson play that type of role many times even though he is great at it. I love Theron and totally believe she can rock a role like this but in the end I do like inspired unexpected chameleon method like performances.

Yes and that is why ultimately I think Ledger is a better Joker than Nicholson. I mean different eras directors and stories but that is the reason I lean on Ledger. Both were great but I give the edge to Ledger.

Bale was completely solid and dedicated to the role of Batman. I agree I admire how much work he put into the role, you can tell true effort went in his role. He truly cared.

I am being honest live action wise I do not feel there has been a definitive Batman. I have my issues with each. Keaton fun, subdued and unexpected choice to play Batman. I never got into his Bruce Wayne, I did not hate it but just physique wise I never was sold on his Batman. Now his Batman voice is fantastic. A whisper and he does not talk much. Strong and silent. However I always felt the villains were more compelling than his Bruce or Batman was. Nicholson, Devito and Pfeiffer I always felt overshadowed him. Bale physique perfect as he stands at 6,0 to 6,1. Love how his Bruce Wayne is a playboy and has a smooth look to him. More believable to me as a suave billionaire. Now his Batman while I like physique wise, his voice is a bit forced. It is not always bad but at times it feels like he is overdoing it. In BB I felt Batman was not overshadowed by the villains like in most other entries. So ultimately I think Bale is the best live action Batman even though he is not perfect. See to me the best superhero portrayals are Christopher Reeve as Superman, Hugh Jackman as Wolverine and RDJ as Iron Man.

[–] moviefanatic505 (6000) 3 years ago

See but I often feel some of this is a publicity stunt. Do we know for a fact that he did not get into any sort of shape for the role? Or is it he just not get into a bulky shape everyone wanted? In any case why is it this is now an expectation when many fans to this day adore Keaton? Keaton was not in great shape when he was Batman either.

Tom Hardy had tattoos and they were covered up when he portrayed Bane. This is a minor fix and honestly not something I really understand why it would bother you so much but to each his own.

I couldn't care less what someone's political beliefs are. I go to a movie to watch how the film is executed. I do not like extreme left wing propaganda but I do not like right wing propaganda either. I probably lean left but I feel I am fairly neutral. I mean Charlize Theron is as liberal as they come. I guess I just do not go in looking to see okay hat political belief is this spreading? All forms of art trying to tell a story are bound to lean a certain way on the political spectrum. Some just hide it and do it more seamless than other forms of art.

[–] cyguration (3833) 3 years ago

I think most people didn't get on Keaton for his physique because he portrayed a very lean and stilted gait as both Bruce Wayne and Batman (although, the suit was mostly to blame/thank for that because of lack of mobility). Keaton carried himself with the air of a dude who could crack you in an instant and not blink -- there was an underlying psychotic rage that he only briefly let out in the movie and it made you believe he could eff you up if he wanted to.

Pattinson? Not so much. He has that playboy aura about him much like George Clooney, who most people also didn't like much as Batman (though to be fair he wasn't as awful as some people he say, he was just kind of... lackadaisical).

You're right that Bale and Keaton were both overshadowed by their villains. Bale even mentioned he sort of regretted not doing more with the character, but I feel he did enough.

And you're right, we still don't have a Batman that's equivalent to the definitive roles of other heroes like RDJ as Iron Man, Hugh Jackman as Wolverine, or Christopher Reeve as Superman. I might even toss Chris Hermsworth as Thor on the list and Chris Evans as Captain America.

Batman is a tough nut to crack, though, because he has a lot of layers and requirements. I know Pattinson is going for the detective/psychological approach, but right now I'm just not convinced. And you're right, maybe he did work out for the role just not to certain people's expectations. I guess we'll see in the film whether his physique is up to par, but he's never been particularly physically fit and that worries me greatly.

As for Kravitz' politics... I just don't want to see any of her real life politics pervade into the role of Catwoman, sort of like how Sigourney Weaver's real life hate of guns ended up affecting Alien 3 because she didn't want them using guns in the film.

[–] moviefanatic505 (6000) 3 years ago

I do agree about the psychotic rage, he did have that unhinged inner psycho which was good. I personally was never truly invested in him as much as I was with the villains though.

No one was going to walk away from Batman & Robin unscathed. Clooney is my most hated Batman because he is literally sleepwalking his way through the role. I think the issue is he works as a playboy billionaire but I can't buy him as Batman. Could he have been convincing with a better script? Possibly but I am just not the biggest fan of Clooney. He can be good I just do not think he is an exceptional actor.

I feel Keaton suffers from this more than Bale does. In BB I feel that is the first live action Batman film where I am truly invested in Batman from start to finish. I feel that TDK is a better film than BB overall but I feel BB is a better Batman film if that makes sense. I never felt Bale got overshadowed in BB which is why even though he was not perfect I feel his portrayal is the best live action so far.

RDJ works as Iron Man because he is what made that character iconic. Before him Iron Man was a throwaway b or c list hero. Similar to Terrence Stamp as Zod. When an actor makes the character what it is that is special. Batman is tougher because that character is an icon regardless of who is playing him. Reeve works as Superman because he not only looks like the character he nails the performance. He plays Clark Kent and Superman differently. He blends into the character to where you just see Clark Kent/Superman rather than the actor. After all the attempts no one comes close to Reeve. Jackman works because even though he does not look like his comic book counterpart he killed it in Logan and the other films. No Wolverine fan hates Hugh he is loved by the majority. Again Wolverine was iconic before he touched him. Bale while good people have legit complaints about him performance wise.

The hard thing about Batman is finding people who can play both Batman and Bruce Wayne well.

[–] moviefanatic505 (6000) 3 years ago

Usually an actor can nail one aspect whether it be Batman or Bruce Wayne. It is hard to find one who can do both. Hemsworth as Thor and Chris Evans as Captain America are quite solid. However I can see other people playing these roles even though they both did great. See with Reeve, Jackman and RDJ it is hard for me to see anyone else in those roles. I honestly feel Val Kilmer back in the day could have been an amazing Batman with the right script of course.

Only thing we can do is wait and see. I have a good feeling as I trust Reeves as a director. Could I be wrong? Sure but I am optimistic about this project where as with BVS Dawn of Justice I knew that was going to be a dumpster fire the second it got announced and I saw who was behind it.

I do not see that happening with Kravitz. She does not have that kind of star power to make those kinds of demands. Weaver became the face of the franchise especially after Aliens. Therefore she probably signed a fat paycheck and demanded some producer rights for the film. Kravitz while famous has nowhere near that kind of control over a project like this. Alien ended with Aliens. People got greedy the first two were great no more. Similar to the Terminator franchise.

[–] cyguration (3833) 3 years ago

Ha, I agree with you about Clooney. He nailed the playboy part, but he absolutely did sleepwalk through that role. I think had he dedicated himself to that role the way Bale did, I would have respected him more, but everything else about the production was crap, so... meh.

And you're right that Keaton was absolutely more overshadowed by the villains, the atmosphere, and even his own suit! Everything else felt bigger than Keaton's performance, but in some ways I think it works because as a standalone film I can rewatch Burton's Batman all the time and it feels timeless. It's not without its faults, but it's entertaining from start to finish.

You're also 100% spot on about Reeves as Superman -- I loved his portrayal as both Clark Kent and Superman! That's a rarity in film, because most times we only care about the hero and not the secret identity, but Reeves made us care about Clark, and that's a rare and powerful trait as an actor to bring that part of the hero's identity out without diminishing from the portrayal of the hero. That's not to mention that he's still an iconic beacon of hope, something many super hero films seem to have forgotten about in this (grim-dark) day and age.

And while I liked the Snyder Cut of Justice League, I too hated BVS and hated the way Snyder portrayed Superman in ALL his films, even though I really like Henry Cavill as the choice for Superman. Snyder wrote him too emo, depressing, selfish and hopeless.

As for Kravitz -- I hope you're right. Weaver was a producer on Aliens 3 so she got away with that nonsense, but Kravits doesn't have that pull. So like you mentioned, hopefully she's reigned in and not in the producer's/director's ear(s) about including her nonsense politics into the role of Catwoman either.

[–] moviefanatic505 (6000) 3 years ago

Batman & Robin was a film made to sell toys. While Clooney did sleepwalk his way through the role I can hardly blame him.

I enjoy Burton's Batman films quite a bit but those are the reasons I felt Bale was a little better as Bruce Wayne and Batman. Still as I said though I think getting a definitive take on Batman is quite difficult. I feel the animated series from the 90's is the best interpretation of the character even though I know it is animated it nails so many aspects. Of course one animation and two series therefore it has the time to explore more aspects of the character.

Yep it is why Reeve is to this day unmatched. Everything about his portrayal was spot on.

Not a fan of Snyder honestly. I have yet to watch his Justice League but I am not up for 4 hours from the same guy who Made Man of Steel, BVS and I saw the theatrical cut of Justice League. His films are dreary dull and cgi porn. I have no clue what genius thought he could do Superman well. Cavill I never have cared for as an actor. Is he handsome good looking, nice physique? Yes but I feel that is what he floats by on rather than talent. I do not feel he has the charisma to pull off Superman. The Superhero genre is already tired and worn out, and the reason I do not want to sit through it is I am not up for cgi nonsense and a Walmart great value Avengers. Snyder only cares about how cool he can make something rather than the big picture. I do not mind if style overtakes substance but not to his degree. I feel Burton is style over substance but his stories still have compelling characters and the narrative while not super strong is still at least good. Snyder yeah no compelling characters and a terrible narrative. He feels like a 14 year old that goes look how cool I made this look and someone asking um what about this part of the narrative? His response look how cool my version is.

See I just do not see Kravitz having that kind of pull.

[–] cyguration (3833) 3 years ago

He feels like a 14 year old that goes look how cool I made this look and someone asking um what about this part of the narrative? His response look how cool my version is.

Spot on description of Snyder, and I agree... however...

I do feel he really did take his time with the Snyder Cut of Justice League. I never saw the theatrical cut because it looked like a hot mess and a bargain bin version of Avengers, turns out I was right and most people hate the Josstice League (as they call it) because of all the awful jokes, terrible tone, and pathetic villain.

While Zack Snyder's Justice League is four hours, it doesn't really feel like it. I felt he did a fantastic job exploring Cyborg and giving Arthur/Aquaman a fairly badass presence. But Cyborg more than anyone I was quite shocked about, the film really takes its time to explore his tumult, his anguish, and his resentment.

It's not something you would expect from Snyder, but most people agree that Cyborg basically ties the whole film together and is really the understated MVP of the group. I never liked Cyborg as a character before (and I still hate his CGI design in the film), but as far as acting and character arcs go, it was done really well in ZS' Justice League.

Also, Steppenwolf is a really interesting villain in the Snyder Cut. He's given a lot of time to explore his motivations and why he's doing what he's doing. His design is awesome and maintains consistency in how he's portrayed in his antics and combat prowess, too, which I loved. He's not just a villain of the week here.

I still don't like Snyder's take on Superman, and I agree Cavill doesn't bring much charisma to the role, but I believe that's more to do with the script than the actor, since he was devilishly charming in The Man From U.N.C.L.E. Too bad he couldn't exude that kind of charm as Superman, though.

[–] moviefanatic505 (6000) 3 years ago

See I am not saying you are wrong in your review. However I have to be honest I am burnt out on superhero films. I am suffering from superhero fatigue, but especially Snyder's attempts have I not just disliked I absolutely hate his superhero films. Man Of Steel sucked, BVS was one of the worst films I have ever seen and Justice League theatrical cut was just a dumpster fire. You gave an honest review but I feel many are judging this film on a curve.

They are going in and after seeing it are going see it was better than the theatrical cut. Well that is not a high bar to clear... I can actually love superhero films but I do not like when they become cgi porn. Superman the movie, Superman 2 Donner Cut, Batman 1989, Batman Returns, TDK trilogy, Logan are examples of superhero films where I feel effort was put in. All of those bring something fresh to the table without being a cgi fest.

[–] cyguration (3833) 3 years ago

Superman the movie, Superman 2 Donner Cut, Batman 1989, Batman Returns, TDK trilogy, Logan are examples of superhero films where I feel effort was put in. All of those bring something fresh to the table without being a cgi fest.

An excellent cache of films no doubt. And you're not wrong, the Snyder Cut is still CGI porn-fest. But in a broken and twisted way, it also has heart.

It's like you could tell Snyder tried really hard with it, but it still suffers from Snyderism, if that makes sense. It's definitely better than Man of Steel (which I hate with a passion for too many reasons to list here) and the completely nonsensical Batman vs Superman, but you're also right that a lot of people are judging it on the curve that it's a batter Snyder film than those awful pieces of garbage, including Whedon's butchered attempt at Marvel'izing Justice League.

[–] moviefanatic505 (6000) 3 years ago

I will take your word I'm not interested to find out myself honestly. I've got many more things to watch.

[–] moviefanatic505 (6000) 3 years ago

Oh tell me about it man! I absolutely adored this film, so much so that I actually bought the blu ray set. This trilogy is one of the best trilogies of all time and I feel it gets slept on so much it is painful. Compare this to the new Star Wars trilogy and you can see this one was much more inspired and well made.

[–] bigbadwolf666 (4707) 3 years ago

This is so much better than LOTR, Harry Potter, Batman, And Marvel but it never got any recognition. They must hate the creators or some shit. I've always seen this film as an innovator for special effects and this film did not disappoint in that regard despite it not being a film about cgi or it's premise. The apes sure couldve been done with makeups and puppeteers as in the past but it went cgi and it was still very believable, realistic, and innovative and most importantly it didnt take away from the story. But all of this was lost in the award seasons. They just give away awards to piece of shit films. I think when it comes to such risky films with an actual cast and well season actors they always get by passed by teen over cgi films or stupid boring dull low budget dramas. Not that I'm touting and nor that I like a lot LOTR but Serkis was amazing in LOTR and then deserved much recognition in a big box office film but he never got it then as a ground breaker or now as Season Star. They just dont respect this man's amazing talent. It's disgraceful.