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Everyone complaining Cruella is black but not Auroras family?


It makes more since to me that Cruella is black and they played it off well, but Aurora and her family and WAY blacker. It's worse that made the children look practically white anyways. Cruella black with a Mexican child name Carlos? Makes NO sense. And Jay is Native American not Indian. Like, how can you mix up those races? I guess I am just a HUGE SB fan and was expecting her to be white with blonde hair like she is in ALL we stories.

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Cruella's son is played by a Half black kid the boy who plays her son cameron boyce has a black father in Real life

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Am I the only one that doesn't care? It's not necessarily in canon with the movies.

Why does everyone have to be white? What's wrong with a multi cultural magic universe?

Disney did Roger and Hammerstein's Cinderella, where the King was white and Queen were black and their son, the Prince was Asian. They did this because at the end of the day, it doesn't matter, it's fantasy and magical.

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Why does everyone have to be white? What's wrong with a multi cultural magic universe?


Probably the fact that there is actually a lot of racially diverse disney characters without having to be lazy and race bending characters.

RIP Cory Monteith your fans miss you dearly

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I have no issue with the diversity, Disney needs it...my only beef is they are all made more "caucasian"...all the girls/women of color have straightened hair (except the "villian": Cruella". Even Milan's daughter wants her hair like all the caucasian female characters. I get that many of these characters are more "bi-racial", but did everyone have to have light skin and eyes?

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Why does everyone have to be white? What's wrong with a multi cultural magic universe?


It's because a lot of the disney princesses originate from stories that have a 'white' background.

Repunzel - Germany
Elsa - Denmark
Merida - Ireland
Snow white - German
Sleeping beauty - German/french
Cinderella - european according to goodle

then theres
Mulan - china
tiana - New orleans

so on and so forth

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Disney did Roger and Hammerstein's Cinderella, where the King was white and Queen were black and their son, the Prince was Asian. They did this because at the end of the day, it doesn't matter, it's fantasy and magical.
Except, you know... Rogers and Hammerstein's Cinderella (1997) is a good movie. Trashcendants is not.

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Have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe, they were BIRACIAL???!!! GASP!!

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Highly unlikely that medieval European princesses (even storybook ones) would be bi-racial. but the Disney Co. is free to rewrite old tales in the cause of garnering a wider audience and greater diversity of fans worldwide for itself and selling more products. I'm ok with the rewriting, but let's not kid ourselves that this is what it's about.

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Last I check this show wasn't set in medieval Europe. Just saying. And most of these fairytales were made up in the 19th and 18th century and were based on tales told all over the world.

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These tales were rewritten in the 18th-19th cent. by the brothers Grimm, etc., but stem from folk tales going back to the Middle Ages. When they were rewritten, most (but not all) were set in the medieval era , where they first originated. "Once upon a Time...'

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You really can't talk when you just said Jafar is Indian

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It seems we living the American dream
But the people highest up got the lowest self-esteem

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Actually, the guy playing Jafar is Iranian, which is clearly posted on his bio

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And?

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It seems we living the American dream
But the people highest up got the lowest self-esteem

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Yes, and Brian George is an Israeli of Iraqi descent who has played Greeks, Arabs, and Indians.

I always thought Jafar was Arabic, like most of the characters in One Thousand and One (Arabian) Nights.

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I'm still confused as to how the OP got the impression jafar was indian but okay

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It seems we living the American dream
But the people highest up got the lowest self-esteem

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I mistakenly though you were the one claiming Jafar was Indian. My mistake, and my apologies.

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But do you see its just black and white.


I dont know. if there going to go with diversity then make sure its diverse in the student and teacher school


thecherrypop


Disney did Roger and Hammerstein's Cinderella, where the King was white and Queen were black and their son, the Prince was Asian. They did this because at the end of the day, it doesn't matter, it's fantasy and magical.




HUH what? That does NOT HAPPEN! If there going to do it at least do it RIGHT


ThatsMyJam

Have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe, they were BIRACIAL???!!! GASP!!




FINE do it but make the family look like a correct biracial family








Look like Tarzan talk like Jane! HAHA

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Considering the King and Queen were being played by Victor Garber and Whoopi Goldberg I would argue that they were indeed doing it right.

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teh_liz
Considering the King and Queen were being played by Victor Garber and Whoopi Goldberg I would argue that they were indeed doing it right.



did he play the gay king! I think not


we all know why its diversity even though thats not reality



EmilyTheDramaQueen
I understand that it's likely they wanted diversity on both sides: the villians' kids and the princesses' kids but instead of making Aurora's daughter black why not include Tatiana's daughter? On the villian side it's more understandable since there were no black Disney villains but Tatitana was a black princess and they could have easily included her.




where are the mixed raced kids? that are korean chinese and japanese



adrianpink-988-508817
Yeah I was confused why Aurora wasn't black if that's supposed to be her. But the rest of the casting makes sense (since Cameron Boyce is half black).



No it doesnt since Crullia isnt black







purplecatwarrior
Maybe they adopted him. :)



oh please








Look like Tarzan talk like Jane! HAHA

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Hey Matti, genetics will surprise! A black person and a white person can't make an East Asian baby, but they probably could make a baby that looks East Asian or part East Asian.

Take for example the model Ashley Moore. She often gets mistaken for Blasian, but she's half-African American, half-European American. It confuses a lot of people, as they can see she's part black, but they were expecting the other half to be Asian. She often gets comments like, "You're part white?!" or "How did a Black man and a White woman have a Chinese baby?"

http://i.imgur.com/X7IQFDJ.png
https://instagram.com/ashley_moore_/?hl=en

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Maybe they adopted him. :)

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If she deemd it cheaper than hiring another henchman...

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You do realize we are talking about fantasy with magic and stuff. Why does their race have to be realistic when nothing else is?

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aquarianbrass

You do realize we are talking about fantasy with magic and stuff. Why does their race have to be realistic when nothing else is?



why cant they just create new characters? why is that so hard?




Look like Tarzan talk like Jane! HAHA

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I understand that it's likely they wanted diversity on both sides: the villians' kids and the princesses' kids but instead of making Aurora's daughter black why not include Tatiana's daughter? On the villian side it's more understandable since there were no black Disney villains but Tatitana was a black princess and they could have easily included her.

"I'd rather lose for what I am than win for what I ain't"

Kacey Musgraves "Pageant Material"

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I'm reposting what I put on the other thread:

Cameron Boyce is half African American; Half Jewish. He's probably just more European than SSA because African Americans are already part European to begin with (the average is 24% European, 75% African, 1% Native American). So, that'll explain his looks, but anyone can clearly tell the boy is mixed just like the girl who plays Aurora's daughter.

The only thing that's a little off was Boo Boo Stewart playing the son of Jafar, who is suppose to be Arabian. Boo Boo is half East Asian (Japanese, Korean, etc) and half European (Scottish, Russian) with some Native American ancestry (Blackfoot). But you could argue that since Arabians are Caucasian like Europeans, then his character is of the same mix basically (East Asian + Caucasian). He just took after his (could be) East Asian mother. It happens; but still is funny looking as we don't see who their other parents are. Look at South Korean singer, Yoon MiRae. She's half South Korean, half African American and she mostly looks South Korean.

http://i.imgur.com/TB82mJu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jVCth9h.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Am3gk7t.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNQCyR8_2EQ

Yu Darvish and Masuda Ryo are the closest I could find to public figures who are half-East Asian, half- Middle Eastern/West Asian (though Pakistan is more in South Asia, but whatever. You get the point). Anyways, they both look clearly part East Asian.

Yu Darvish is half Japanese, half Iranian:
http://i.imgur.com/yoKwxRC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/t7eHqwm.png


Masuda Ryo is half Japanese, half Pakistani:
http://i.imgur.com/TjTmb8f.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/hdjPaxp.jpg

So, yeah. But please know, there is no set look to what a mixed person is suppose to look like. Genetics are funny and I believe only 6% of your DNA actually affects your phenotype (your facial features and how your look), plus there are such things as throwback genes, where people come out looking more like a grandparent, a great-grandparent, etc. than they do their own parents. Take the case of Sandra Laing. A girl who looks black, but has two White South African parents.

http://i.imgur.com/IB1U0xq.jpg

Or the case of the Biracial twins:
http://i.imgur.com/perqv8j.jpg

On that note:

I assume this is suppose to be Aurora's family. Okay, the Grandmother looks black, the daughter looks mixed, the man (I guess is Prince Phillip) looks mixed, but the woman supposedly is Aurora doesn't look mixed or part black. Now, this wouldn't be weird if the grandma was the mother of Prince Phillip, but she isn't. She clearly states she's the mother of Aurora. So... I don't know about all that. They could just be two people in the background with no connection to them, but they are standing awfully close, and the woman who could be playing Aurora gave an endearing smile watching her "daughter" makeup with Maleficient's daughter. So, who knows.
http://i.imgur.com/pOt5roq.jpg

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Yeah I was confused why Aurora wasn't black if that's supposed to be her. But the rest of the casting makes sense (since Cameron Boyce is half black).

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"And Jay is Native American not Indian. Like, how can you mix up those races?"

Well, Europeans have been mixing-up those races for 500 years. ;)

But Jay wouldn't be "Indian" anyway, he's the son of Jafar and should be Arab, or some kind of middle-eastern.

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Boo Boo Stewart isn't Native American. He's a mix of various East Asian ethnicities (Korean, Japanese, and Chinese) and European ethnicities (Scottish, Russian), with some Blackfoot Indian ancestry. Basically, his mom is East Asian; his father is white.

People think he's Native American because he played Native American roles before, but he's actually Eurasian (a mix of European and Asian).

But yeah, Jafar is Arab. Though, like I posted above, he could still be Jafar's son if his mother was Asian. As Arabs are Caucasian just like European people are. And Boo Boo Stewart is a mix of Caucasian and East Asian. And I showed examples of two people who are a mix of East Asian and West Asian.

BTW, the original story of Aladdin, not the Disney version, supposedly took place in East Asia, and Aladdin was Chinese.

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He had to show Native American lineage in order to be cast in the Twilight movies. All of the wolf pack did, actually.

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Still, he's majority Eurasian. If he has Native American ancestry, it probably isn't much because it's written that his European American father had some or possible Blackfoot Native American ancestry. And that could be just minor. I have Native American ancestry from my 4th-great and 3rd-great grandmothers (and I am 2.5% Native American and East Asian), but I don't call myself Native American.

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Do you have to have a certain percentage to live on a reservation or belong to a tribe? If you feel a connection to that part of your ancestry, who cares what percentage you are?

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Do you have to have a certain percentage to live on a reservation or belong to a tribe?


In the United States, yes you do.
http://genetics.ncai.org/tribal-sovereignty-and-enrollment-determinations.cfm

If you feel a connection to that part of your ancestry, who cares what percentage you are?


That's true, but it still doesn't make you Native American if you aren't predominately Native American. And that's okay. You can appreciate and want to learn about the culture(s) and people without even being one.

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