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TWIST ALERT. What if Ben Kingsley REALLY IS the Mandarin.


Loved the "Trevor Slattery" reveal in IM3. Best thing in the movie and actually excited about this one shot.

Can't help smelling a brilliant double twist here where turns out "Trevor Slattery" is just a fake persona that the REAL Mandarin has been playing.

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I like this idea. I hope its true. Sometimes the best and scariest villains are the ones with a sense of humor. Sure beats the cliche, boring 1 dimensional mustache twirling ones.

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What if he is the iron man villian the actor

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That would make Trevor the most cunning villain in the MCU next to (or maybe even above) Loki. However, wasn't it said somewhere in Iron Man 3 that Trevor had plastic surgery? That implies that Trevor was changed to look like the real Mandarin. I guess it could be just another way for Trevor to hide his true Mandarin persona.

Either way, I'm so glad we get to see more of Ben Kingsley. I was really worried that he was going to be another one-off character like most of the MCU's villains.

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It would have been a great idea to end Iron Man 3 with this reveal of either Trevor Slattery or another character played by Ben Kinsley as the Mandarin, for a future Avengers movie, but ultimately they went with the white guy in the suit villain.

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Heh it is the worst thing in IM3 and ben kingsly was very ridiculous why he play that roll????mandarin is one of the best villians but they ignore him very badly but in the end killian jones said i am real mandarin what did he mean??his powers his face and...not as same as mandarin

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I thought this the other day and I Really really hope it will happen. Its marvels chance to finally have a decent villain other than loki

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Go find some of the interviews. This isn't at all what you hope it's going to be, but that doesn't mean it doesn't leave the door open.


Coulson: I wanted to die.
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I half-expected to both some late scene in IM3 or this short to reveal Trevor as the Mandarin. At this point, though...it would be hard to do. What does he have to gain from allowing himself to be arrested? Maybe recruit Justin Hammer and other jailed villains of the MCU? But with his resources he could just have him sprung from jail and flown to a secret island compound or something.

Oh, well. The five minutes we got of Kingsly doing the whole part was some great stuff.

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Actually, for a cunning villain going to jail would report some benefits. For instance, a perfect way to "debunk" the Mandarin as a real, actual menace, making people believe he didn't actually exist. After all, with good resources, and considering that "Trevor" should be a low-risk prisoner, he could have escaped some time in the future, or even better, faked his death in prison.

In the end, for just a little time imprisoned, "Trevor" could have erased the Mandarin's actual existance from the face of the earth. Not a bad deal.

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Re: What would the Mandarin gain by pretending to be Trevor and going to prison.

Could be wrong but I think the writer or director said that "Trevor's" major dilemma in Prison is that he's affronted all the genuine "terrorists" groups world wide and is now a focus/target for their attention.

But suppose that apparent dilemma is actually his plan.

Suppose he's gone to prison to draw all the bad guys out the woodwork to his front door then turn tables and network in as their common center. Very much a case of bringing the mountain to mohammed.

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The greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing the world he didn't exist.

Not sure that Marvel has any plans to try and do the "real" Mandarin since it would be nigh impossible to do it without looking racist, but I do like the notion that "Trevor" is actually just a way to weasel out of everything. They'd have to explain why Killian seemed to "know" the Mandarin was fake but that can be done I'm sure.

So he's breaking himself out of prison essentially then in the one-shot.

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So casting a chinese actor to play the Mandarin would look racist, huh?

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Not at all. But if they make him anything like the comics that's pretty over-the-top.

They can certainly follow up on the idea in AHtK and have there be a "real" terrorist/villain called the Mandarin and maybe even have him be someone that AIM used to pattern Trevor after. But it would have to be significantly different than the comics version.

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If you're suggesting taking away the Mandarin's power rings, then I completely disagree with that suggestion. Taking away his rings is like taking away Thor's hammer or Captain America's shield. Besides, Mandarin's power rings could be a good tie in with the Infinity Gem arc from Thor: The Dark World.

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Wouldn't think of it and I agree.

Just suggesting that they could make him a "real" threat instead of the fake Trevor persona.

And yes, the tie in with the infinity gems makes sense (though might confuse casual viewers too much).

They've set up "ten rings" as more of a cult-like group but that doesn't mean the real Mandarin isn't ultimately behind it all (and possibly even Chinese and closer to the comic version - without the folksy racism).

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Well I'm glad you agree. What I was thinking is that the Mandarin should be an enigmatic warlord that wants to rule the world like an imperial Chinese emperor. The kind of persona that I have in mind for him is like Shang Tsung from the Mortal Kombat movie. All-in-all he should be an evil and ruthless megalomaniac that rivals Loki and the Red Skull.

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Not at all. But if they make him anything like the comics that's pretty over-the-top.


You clearly have never read the comics and are just repeating what you have read which was nothing but PR lies to help hype and in their minds help prepare the public for the Mandarin twist that they were hoping the public would accept.

They were wrong as they was major backlash hence the creation of this short.

The Mandarin has been reinvented throughout the decades. The only questionable period was in the 60s. The Mandarin hasn't been that way since then.

An East Asian actor should play The Mandarin. Otherwise, it's nothing but another Hollywood whitewash.

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Maybe he had it out for Killian - it didn't seem like he was an evil guy, just a nut addicted to drugs. Lol.

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I'm tired of twists. They need to stop being M. Night Shyamalan and just be authentic.

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GOOD twists are few and far between, but when constructed really well they're hard to beat (Seven, Usual Suspects, Sixth Sense, Primal Fear, Jacob's Ladder, etc...).

If only you could see what I have seen with your eyes.

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