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Let's bring theology into the mix.


If a person has a soul, and if said soul evacuates the body at the moment of death, and if it was within the realm of possibility to reanimate a dead body, what about the soul? We hear about NDE's, but is that the same thing as a body which is completely kaput?


"In a time of universal deceit,
telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
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I am sorry this movie was so slow and boring its hardly worth getting all up in a discussion about the subject. I am sure there are better film examples than this hunk of crap that cannot be "un-done." Ever...

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Please keep it on point and limit your ranting to other threads. What are your thoughts on the theological ramifications of the reanimation of dead bodies?


"In a time of universal deceit,
telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
George Orwell

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Well if there is one point in the film i did like that i wish was exploited more would have been the end. I would have started the film from the end, and do a retelling flash back in the first 15 minutes and make the whole movie about what happened to Devin's mind. Obviously he is alive after the re-animation process, but he's gone, he is just like a blank child. Perhaps the mentality of 1 year old child. He wasn't a total vessel. I think that would have been a much more interesting story to tell and would have gone well with your question. Sadly there isn't a lot of room for discussion with this film. Its all been done before. Re-Animator franchise, Flatliners, and the soon to be The Lazarus Effect, which probably will be best served for this discussion. This movie just doesn't really hit the points it should. Say what you will, but we both wasted 90 minutes of our lives watching a very inferior film about an interesting subject. Cannot be undone...

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We don't actually know the precise point at which a body is totally kaput. As for beliefs about souls, it would work however the given religion decides it does- artistic licence- make believe stuff can work however the author wants it to lol.

That being said, some people who have been clinically dead for up to 40 minutes do talk about going a number of places, many of much are afterlives- a mate of mine had no heartbeat for 7 minutes and he described nothing, actually became an atheist because of the experience.
You could argue that a Christian would believe that any soul would simply return to it's reanimated host.

A better question is, if not, does the zombie therefore have no soul, or does the big man just make a fresh one?

"World needs bad men. We keep the other bad men from the door"

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Well I like your points, but I'm thinking that to a degree this would be unfair for a new soul since they don't have the opportunity to live as long. Sure people die at various ages and such, but I feel like they are still being robbed of certain elements of life. The outward appearance is an adult, but the mind will develop at a rate where the physical body is way ahead, which in turn may impact socialization. For example, I'm 26, but if I wanted to date Devin, I can't because I'd be a pedophile to a large degree. Then let us say Devin is mentally 13, but he is not physically, so what father would let their daughter date him?....I may have gotten off track here so sorry, but these are some things I considered after reading your post.

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The outward appearance is an adult, but the mind will develop at a rate where the physical body is way ahead, which in turn may impact socialization. For example, I'm 26, but if I wanted to date Devin, I can't because I'd be a pedophile to a large degree. Then let us say Devin is mentally 13, but he is not physically, so what father would let their daughter date him?.


Well, first of all, we're starting with the assumption that his memories have been completely eliminated. That can't be entirely true, because he still remembers how to walk, for example. But even if his cognitive memory is completely empty, we don't know how fast he'll relearn. Certainly faster than a child because he will have all the physical skills of an adult. If his intellect is unimpaired - that is, if he still has the same cognitive skills he had before - then he might "grow up" fairly fast.

Also, in terms of the film, they gave up on Devin way too soon. It's quite possible that some or all of his memory will return.

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I can see your logic working out! In that case yes they gave up too soon then. But I can view this as his own rebirth and that eventually he will regain normal functions based upon his retention of knowing how to walk! Solid points!

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You could argue that a Christian would believe that any soul would simply return to it's reanimated host.


You could also argue that, if his memories are completely wiped, then he will "grow up" to be an entirely new person - albeit much fast than a child grows up. In that case, wasn't he in effect completely reborn? If so, wouldn't he have a new soul, just as newborn does?

Oh, and he's not a zombie. Zombies are dead. :-)

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