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Is there anyone who wonders if Tommy


Actually raped Catherine's daughter? Or was she underage so it didnt matter whether she said yes or not? It's been a while since I watched so I don't remember her age. But given the circumstances, couldn't she have lied about it and Cats carrying around all this hate over something he didn't do? Obviously he's still a horrible person, and he exhibited that he rapes after they kidnapped the girl but I'm sure rapists are able to get consensual sex from someone who doesn't know they're sick.

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I doubt that he didn't rape Becky. They never dropped any hints to that effect except Tommy saying he didn't do it and Frances believing him. Plus I don't think Catherine is upset with him as much about the rape as she is that Becky is dead. Whether he raped her or not, Catherine is sure he's the reason why she took her own life. Surely there could be other reasons she committed suicide, but we're never given anything that would indicate what that was. Seeing Catherine's erratic behavior in season 2, I can see how we might doubt her stability, but nothing that made me think she might have blown her daughter's rape out of proportion.

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Hi Lysy328,

I just binged on the show on Netflix. The character, Tommy, was a disordered homicidal narcissist so nothing he says can be taken seriously. He denied the cold-blooded murders he committed, the acts of violence, the rape of a young woman tied to a chair. Of course, he would deny the rape of a teen (she was 17 at the time)

I think the actors are amazing and James Norton deserves all the accolades he has received for playing Tommy.

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James Norton deserves all the accolades he has received for playing Tommy.


Agree. It was an amazing performance.

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I think that he did it. He was clearly capable, as evidenced by his barbaric treatment of a defenceless Ann.

However, given that nothing was ever proven, series 3 (if it takes place) could deal with showing his innocence. I definitely got the impression during series 1 that Daniel was uncertain of his guilt; whether that was the result of his dislike/jealousy for the golden sibling, remains to be seen. His uncertainty wasn't touched upon in S2.

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I have wondered the same thing. Could easily be as you said (she lied to her mom). I think the age of consent in the UK is 16 so it wouldn't have been statutory rape (as it would have been in the US. The brother Daniel has said 'she was no angel' and that Becky was 'infatuated' with Tommy. Wasn't sure if that's what the writers were getting at or not.

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that Becky was 'infatuated' with Tommy

So that makes it ok for a guy to rape her? Just because she had a crush on him?

I think the point of that particular reference was him trying to tell Ryan that there was no great love story for him to fantasize about between his "parents".
A broader point is that Becky took the rape even harder because she liked Royce and couldn't accept he'd done that to her.

For every lie I unlearn I learn something new - Ani Difranco

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I don't think paulah is implying in any way that it would have made it ok.

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As his first course of action when he was alone with the rich guy's daughter whose name currently escapes me was to brutally rape her then I'd say it's probably not a stretch to think he's done that before. Also, Catherine mentions that he brutally raped Becky, it's not just a case of statutory (she was 17 anyway). If he enjoys rape then he gets off on power. He's not a bad looking guy and he's very manipulative so he could probably talk women into bed with relative ease but he doesn't seem to have his needs satisfied by that because he gets off on causing pain and suffering. Finally, he knocked around his own mother so he was probably very capable of violence against a partner.

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