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If you went to see this movie AND you didn't know the story beforehand, I want to hear from you


The title says it all.

I went to see this tonight, but having read the book and seen two different film adaptations, I was already quite familiar with the story. One thing I wondered to myself though was what it would be like to experience this film as a blank slate, knowing nothing about the narrative.

So if you were able to experience the film in that way, I'd like to know what you thought.

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This is actually a good question. In a sense I wish I hadn't seen the 1974 and 2010 versions and could go in with a blank slate.

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I never read or saw any of the older adaptations so this was basically all new to me. I really loved the whole thing and thought the cast did a terrific job with it. It's great to see a old fashioned thriller done this well. Did you feel it captured the heart of the novel well enough?

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Cool man, glad to hear you liked it!

The one criticism that I've seen that I agree with is that Poirot is the only character that's fleshed out at all. I think that other versions of the story did a better job of rounding out the suspects and giving you an idea of who they are.

But all in all, I did enjoy it. It's especially impressive on a visual level, with some genuinely gorgeous cinematography. I thought Branagh did well as Poirot--of the four actors I've seen portray the character I'd put him in second place--and as you say, this is an "old fashioned thriller," which we just don't see enough of these days.

Do I feel it captured the heart of the novel well enough? I'd say yes, "well enough." There are some things that I think could've been improved upon--things that were done better in other adaptations--but it's pretty faithful to Christie's book.

If you liked this one, you may be interested in watching the 1974 Sidney Lumet version to compare. And then there's the 2010 BBC adaptation with David Suchet, who portrayed Poirot many, many times for the BBC over 25 years.

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Hey,

Yeah I agree that Poirot is really the only three dimensional character but thought that the vagueness and shadiness of the others worked well enough to keep the middle portion pretty entertaining. I'd like to check out some of the other adaptations actually and I keep hearing a lot of good things about the Lumet version. Will have to check that out.

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David Suchet's Poirot is an ITV production and not a BBC one.

Easy mistake to make, the Beeb don't do Whodunit's very well and so when you see a good British one it's highly likely that they haven't made it themselves or that it's on channel 3.

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Huh. Well I'll be damned. I guess I've had that wrong all this time. I thought all the British show that were re-aired here in the US on PBS were BBC shows.

I'm aware of ITV's existence but I never have understood exactly who they are or what that network is all about.

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The BBC do put some of their content out for syndication; Downton Abbey, Doctor Who and Life on Mars but a lot of shows like Prime Suspect, Cracker, Broadchurch, Morse/Lewis, Midsomer Murders, Poirot and all the Jeremy Brett Holmes stuff etc. is made for ITV (Channel 3) and must be sold to PBS in some way.

They each make great shows but credit to where it is due regarding Whodunits, ITV generally conquer the market in the UK with a few exceptions (River is great BBC stuff: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4258440/)

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Thanks for the info. I've watched Broadchurch as well. That's a good show.

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Me and my friends liked it quite a bit. None of us four knew anything from the novel / previous films. Branagh was fantastic. Most of the other actors did not have the screen time to stand out, but that was fine as Branagh more than made up for it. Had us all guessing.

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Cool, glad you liked it and thanks for the input.

Out of curiosity, how old are you?

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38

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Indeed, thanks. 35 myself.

I think we're on the younger end of the spectrum for this film's audience. From what I've read, nearly half of ticket buyers are over 50.

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i hope adults get into the habit of going to the cinema again... it will encourage executives to fund more adult oriented movies...

Hopefully we'll see more of this as they try to get the retired boomer dollar... ;)

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Yeah, hopefully so. Fingers crossed that due to the success of MOTOE they go ahead and pull the trigger on Death on the Nile. I don't really see a reason NOT to do it.

As for getting adults back into the cinema, I'm not sure if you're in the US, but if you are then look into Movie Pass if you haven't already. I'm a Movie Pass subscriber and have been averaging about two movies a week because of it.

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Yeah, I'd love to see Death on the Nile introduced to a new generation...

Movie Pass sounds interesting, some places have unlimted cards/passes, but not my local cinema... It's ok... If the movies are made, people will find them

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Just saw the movie last night, I’ve never knew of any previous adaptations of the film or book.

I thought the movie was really good! I thought all the actors were great and enjoyed the subtle humor throughout.

Going in, I wasn’t expecting some huge M.Night type plot twist but I knew there was going to be some curveballs thrown at me, when I watch movies like these I just let the story unfold and don’t find myself guessing and trying to figure it all out and I’ll admit I was surprised by the ending.

In the end it wasn’t the greatest movie I’ve ever seen but it was entertaining and a fun night out.

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Cool, thanks for chiming in! I'm glad to hear that you enjoyed it.

If you want to check out another adaptation, check out the 1974 version from Sidney Lumet. It's widely regarded as the best.

And I am with you regarding not trying to figure a movie out. That's never been something I've been about and so twists already take me by surprise unless they were very, very obvious. And that's the way I want it to be. Doesn't seem like a whole lot of fun to figure things out before they are revealed.

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I think someone unfamiliar with the original story will be confused as hell since all the interrogations/clues/etc is all over the place.. dunno

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I saw it with my husband who hadn't read the book or seen previous adaptations. After it was over I asked him if it was at all difficult to follow. Nope. He never guessed the ending (well who could), but he had no trouble following it.

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yeah? that's good

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The 1974 adaptation is one of the few Sidney Lumet films I haven't seen. It's been on my watch list for a while but kept getting pushed down by newer releases I was more excited about or urged by others to prioritise. I finally made my way far enough down the list that it was at the top, only for the trailer for the 2017 remake to steal its thunder.

I decided against watching the 1974 version so I could go in "fresh" -- just watched the new one at the cinema last night and I didn't like it.

I liked Depp playing a character with some nuance for the first time in a while, and Willem Dafoe gave a strong performance for the first half of the film, but I found everyone else very made-for-TV cartoonish and hammy. The CGI for the train added to the cartoonish feel, when it was required for anything more than a static shot it reminded me of The Polar Express (or at least what I remember from the trailer for it).

Overall the tone was too corny for me, standout examples being the "Zees books are full of -- what iz your word for chocolat? Fudge? ZAY ARE FULL OF FUDGE", the last supper tableau and the reasoning behind not only who committed the murder but Poirot's response to it... eye roll inducing stuff.

As I left the theatre I realised that the ending had been previously revealed to me after all, care of an episode of 30 Rock that I must have watched at least four times by now... the episode itself references the 1974 movie and yet the idea that it was being faithful to the ending of the film seemed so ridiculous to me that I didn't pay it any mind...

Anyway, I'm still keen to watch Sidney Lumet's take on it... just disappointed that I rolled the dice on going in fresh on this one when I probably should have just watched tthe 1974 version as it came up.

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Well, I'm sorry to hear you didn't like this one.

You should go ahead and watch the '74 version. I'd be curious to hear how you think they compare.

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I found everyone else very made-for-TV cartoonish and hammy.

I've been reading a lot of Christie lately, and that's part of the problem with her mysteries. Her characters are not as well developed as her plots. So I wasn't surprised that out of 12 suspects many of them would not be well rounded.

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I haven't read the book, but I've seen the 1974 version. I found that far superior.

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What I found wonderful was the glimpse of the past, a world away from the world. Both had that, but certain scenes in the 2017 version just drew it right out of me. Like the karate scene, or the attempted action scenes)

i didn't like the diner meeting scene between Poirot and Ratchett. The 1974 version had Ratchett being very defensive when asked questions by Poirot, and that Poirot politely declined the offer. This Poirot goes off and says he doesn't like Ratchetts face? Scene is too long too.

I didn't like the shootout or more convoluted plot.

I didn't like the conclusion. When Poirot assembled all the guests to reveal the murderer. The 1974 gave Poirot a get out clause. Everything he said was outlined on conjecture (we all know he figured it out). None of the suspects admitted anything. Yet you knew he had them all on the knife edge. And everyone went off, including me with a taste that justice was done, that something good came from this tragedy.

The new version didn't do that. They admitted it. Black and white scene of them acting like a rabid mob. The whole thing left a bad taste in my mouth.

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[spoiler]I think the more confrontational, on-the-nose ending, with confessions and Poirot explaining how he feels and his decision not to report them is intentional... it is more symptomatic of the literalist culture we live in and the current mood for mob justice... [/spoiler] It makes the ending more of this time, does it not?

I say this even though I prefer the original film slightly...

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I went to see it with my girlfriend (who had read the book). I don't generally try to figure out mysteries as I watch films, I prefer to let the film just take me on whatever ride it wants to take me on. I was pretty surprised by the conclusion. My girlfriend loved watching my reaction as it was all revealed. It's very rare with us for her to know more about a movie than I.

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I did not realize Agatha Christie was writing so recently. In my mind she wrote in the Arthur Conan Doyle era - wrong. I didn’t know the story drew so heavily on the Lindbergh baby kidnapping.

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There was actually a bit of overlap between Doyle and Christie. Doyle's final works were published in the 1920s, which was the same decade of Christie's first novels.

MOTOE is also one of her earlier works. She continued writing all the way into the 70s. The final Poirot novel, Curtain, was released in 1975.

It is weird for me to think about her writing that late, though. Whereas you had this idea of her being a contemporary of Doyle, I think of her only as being active in the 20s, 30s and 40s. It's difficult for me to think of Christie after that. For me, she is stuck in time in those three decades.

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